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Flesh Forge posted:tbh I have no doubt he put a lot more work into inking that than the pencil work You'd be surprised.  https://twitter.com/HeGotGronch/status/1550823602676588544
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As a fellow lefty, I wonder if that technique was developed as a by-product of trying to avoid smudges when learning how to write. It would be less of an issue when drawing since you can start anywhere on the page, unlike the forced left-to-right, top-to-bottom direction of writing that normally causes the palm of a lefty to drag over the text as it’s written.
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SexyBlindfold posted:it straight up looks like a secret technique some shonen protagonist in a sports manga about penmanship would pull out Oh my God that's the perfect description
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Sep 2, 2022 05:20
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I wanted to say I actually do something similar sometimes when I draw. When I feel like starting out sketchy and loose, I'll hold the pencil over my pinky, almost horizontally, and as I go along and add more details, I'll gradually move it between the next set of fingers, until I'm holding it normally. Can't explain for the life of me what he's doing with his thumb, though.
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Keromaru5 posted:I wanted to say I actually do something similar sometimes when I draw. When I feel like starting out sketchy and loose, I'll hold the pencil over my pinky, almost horizontally, and as I go along and add more details, I'll gradually move it between the next set of fingers, until I'm holding it normally. Can't explain for the life of me what he's doing with his thumb, though. I just want to say that it is extremely entertaining following the conversation without having seen the clip, my imagination is running wild.
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Sep 2, 2022 06:06
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He's using it as a rest for the pen, like you'd use the middle finger in a normal grip.
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Open Marriage Night posted:It looks comfortable. It’s harder to see what you’re working on, but I bet it helps him draw for longer periods without his hand/wrist cramping. easier than whatever the gently caress Erik Larsen is doing anyway
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I can't copy it and get an angle in my hand where a ballpoint pen reliably writes.
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between the art and the fact that it's named in the speech bubble I'm going with liefeld's fighting American
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Brazilianpeanutwar posted:
Fighting American #2 Art by Stephen Platt, story by Rob Liefeld, script by Jeff Loeb. It was originally a Captain America book Rob Liefeld was putting together in the mid-90s. When Marvel was facing bankruptcy and low-balled Liefeld as a result, he reached out to original Captain America creator Joe Simon and Roz Kirby, widow of the Cap's other creator, Jack Kirby. Simon and Kirby had created a Cap 2.0 character named Fighting American back in the 1950s, but it didn't really go anywhere. Liefeld licensed the character, tweaked the art for the Captain America book and released this two issue miniseries. It's... fine by mid-90s standards. funtax fucked around with this message at 06:15 on Sep 3, 2022 |
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site posted:between the art and the fact that it's named in the speech bubble I'm going with liefeld's fighting American Are you sure he didn't collaborate on that? The foot is awfully prominent and drawn well... well, not Liefeldian, anyway. E:f,b
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funtax posted:Fighting American #2 It's a bit more complicated and scummy than that... Back in 1996 Captain America, Iron Man, Fantastic Four, and Avengers were selling poorly, so a deal was made for Image founders Rob Liefeld and Jim Lee to take over the books and to reboot them. Liefeld took on Cap and Avenger, Lee took FF and Iron Man. By issue 6 the Liefeld books were late, selling badly, and deeply unpopular, so Marvel triggered a clause and took them of Liefeld and gave them to Lee to finish up the Heroes Reborn "experiment". Liefeld then took the Captain America art they had and scribbled over it to create the BOLD NEW CHARACTER: Rob Liefeld's Agent America!  Of course Marvel pointed out that Agent America was literally just a redrawn Captain America book, with the same sidekick and Red Skull turned into a robot, and started legal action. This is when Rob licensed Fighting American and redrew the same art to feature FA instead. BooDooBoo fucked around with this message at 11:41 on Sep 3, 2022 |
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God,the comicbook world is dumb inside and out.
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funtax posted:Fighting American #2 ah yeah, Stephen Platt, the New McFarlane who turned out to be kind of a lunatic. Bonus for the cartoonish 500 MEGATON BOMB
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BooDooBoo posted:It's a bit more complicated and scummy than that... God bless Rob and his lovely, lovely art.
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I kinda want to see an animated show that draws heavily on Liefeld's style just to see these exaggerated monstrosities in motion. Picturing it in my head and the concept is striking me as pretty funny. Part of me wants to see it done like those old 60's era Marvel cartoons where they just lift panels from the comics which, while it might work, would rob us of getting to see how Liefeld's creations might actually move since they basically can't. I'm not even sure how they can eat or drink or fit through a door for that matter. McFarlane's style translated fairly well in the HBO cartoon and I also loved The Maxx show on MTV so I know 90's EXTREME poo poo can work in an animated show but Rob would be an entirely different beast. Maybe if it were done as a parody. EDIT: ALso, did Rob color that himself? Because the coloring is actually not too bad even though it's airbrushed to hell and back
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Sep 3, 2022 16:59
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If you want to see Rob Liefeld proportioned people animated, just watch Fist of the North Star. It’s pretty clear he took a lot of inspiration from that with the tiny heads and barrel chests.
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Sep 3, 2022 17:46
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Imagine Cable and Deadpool and other Liefelds, but they're JoJos.
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Liefeld characters in motion would be fascinatingly grotesque. Just a bunch of meat shifting around in human skin suits.
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BiggerBoat posted:I kinda want to see an animated show that draws heavily on Liefeld's style just to see these exaggerated monstrosities in motion. Which just makes me wonder: would Liefeld be appreciated better if he were simply inked and colored differently?
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Sep 3, 2022 18:11
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I'm thinking like Aeon Flux but reverse the skinny slider bars to grotesquely muscled
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 As soon as I noticed that her left goggle shouldn't be floating off her face like that, I could no longer unsee it
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Sep 3, 2022 19:49
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They could be really fat framed glasses with very carefully hidden arms.
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Libra posted:Liefeld characters in motion would be fascinatingly grotesque. Just a bunch of meat shifting around in human skin suits. I want to see this character running. 
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Keromaru5 posted:They finally know how to render Yoshitaka Amano in 3D, so I figure anything's possible at this point. Probably not much but I bet I could improve on his pencils if I were to ink some of his pages. Exaggeration and expressionism, when done right, take the medium to the next level and aid the story telling; guiding the eye through the page and emphasizing important visual elements. Frank Miller, Jack Kirby and Steve Ditko weren't always masters of anatomy but everything doesn't have to look like John Buscema or Neal Adams. The problem is, Liefeld and his "style" just add poo poo for the sake of adding it and think that more lines and more lens flare = better. Like, giving Captain America 68 teeth and more lines on his face don't DO anything for the character except make him look older and more weird. That approach MIGHT work for someone like Wolverine or Lobo. Dracula. Along similar lines, that infamous drawing of Captain America just seems to think that "more muscles" makes that character look better and he does that all time. I'm not sure I could entirely ink his way out of the mess he draws most of the time but I'm fairly confident I could make his work look slightly better. Inking can't fix proportions, anatomy and his god awful page layouts or haphazard compositions but I'd bet that removing maybe half of the needless cross hatchings and just laying down some solid black areas along with varying some line weights could make it far easier on the eyes. It's too noisy and, handled more selectively, might translate into the dynamic approach he's aiming for. But he draws everyone the same. Rob's work DOES leap off the page, for better or worse, and kind of hollers at you but it doesn't hold up to scrutiny and it doesn't have any...pacing I guess. Everything is just LOUD, enormous and every character has muscles on top of muscles. It's like listening to a band that has everything dialed up to 11. He's also extremely limited in WHAT he can draw, so we get pouches, spiky hair and shoulder pads on everyone along with the same recycled facial expressions. As far as coloring goes, I've mentioned it before but modern colorists tend to rely too much on the airbrush and too often select from the outer end of the palette where everything is "hot" and "juicy" - for lack of a better way of putting it. Everything is colored like the candy aisle in a grocery store or a gas station. Good ones are more subdued and take into account light sources, time of day, the environment and things like that. Superman in the Fortress of Solitude should be colored differently than Superman on Mars or even in downtown Metropolis. I think of it in terms of "temperature" but I'm having a hard time explaining it I think. Look at Watchmen or TDKR for examples of how color works on a page. Done right, you can kind of "smell" the panels. If that makes sense.
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http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/f/fightame.htm#spice posted:S.P.I.C.E. They converted a child into a killing machine. That is very on brand.
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Liefelds work falls off the page and lands in an anatomically incorrect way on its chiselled toothy face.
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BooDooBoo posted:Of course Marvel pointed out that Agent America was literally just a redrawn Captain America book, with the same sidekick and Red Skull turned into a robot, and started legal action. OTOH the way they got around the legal injunction against the Fighting American throwing his shield like Cap by having the shield manifest a variety of ridiculous hidden missile launchers and machine guns despite just being a simple disc was hilarious.
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Skwirl posted:I want to see this character running. She looks like the human part of a centaur attached to the back legs of the horse part.
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Skwirl posted:I want to see this character running. This might be one of my favorite Liefeld drawings because even if her legs ended where the fur boots begin, they’d STILL be way too long. He always came across to me as a guy who just wants to draw without thinking or planning. He’s the kid who just wanted to draw cool sketches in his notebook while the nerds were taking notes paying attention and learning. The panel of the girl with goggles is a great example - he more than likely drew the girl, forgot she was supposed to have the goggles on, and then just drew a pair of goggles overtop his drawing without erasing anything. He did the same thing in that horrid Onslaught Returns thing from like 15 years ago. He drew Franklin Richards running, forgot he was supposed to have a gun, and then just drew a gun overtop of his hand. No re-drawing necessary!! Just gently caress it and move on to the next sketch! Somewhere there is an alternate universe where he actually honed his craft and took some time to learn and grow as an artist. He had a lot of passion for comic books and for cool characters, but he never was able to harness it or translate that into storytelling ability or competent art. He’s the basketball player who just wanted to do COOL SLAM DUNKZ YO!! while his teammates were watching game film and working on plays and finessing their game. It’s sad, because I really think he COULD have been an elite artist with some maturity and self-awareness.
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BooDooBoo posted:Liefeld then took the Captain America art they had and scribbled over it to create the BOLD NEW CHARACTER: Rob Liefeld's Agent America! Don't sleep on the tiny shield that is less than a foot in diameter
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No his fist is 3ft wide
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The good agemt seems to be sitting on his own head.
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There's a twitter account that parodies Liefeld's art and it's amazing: https://twitter.com/Lie_Felled
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John Mirra posted:There's a twitter account that parodies Liefeld's art and it's amazing: These are great
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John Mirra posted:There's a twitter account that parodies Liefeld's art and it's amazing: I am feeling enormous physical pain
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god this guy is amazing lmao https://twitter.com/Lie_Felled/status/1562963904988295169
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