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oh ffs, maybe there are a lot more important things to do than making GBS threads on trans people even more than the UK already does, but I guess the government is desperate to keep culture wars going already https://www.vice.com/en/article/3adva3/liz-truss-scotland-gender-identity tl;dr quote:New UK Prime Minister Liz Truss is trying to block Scotland’s plans to allow trans people to self-identify as male or female, VICE World News can reveal.
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Guavanaut posted:There's parallels of this in the aftermath of the Great Influenza epidemic, countries that did (or were seen to have done) gently caress all saw rising support for authoritarianism and 'social cleanliness' and other things that lead to fascism. Not to run, no. That generally ends up working very badly. But interventions? Arguably, the Turkish system had military coups for "the good of the people" baked in if the civilian government can't hack it, and yes, they had multiple military coups after WWI. As far as I know, Erdogan is the first civilian leader who actually managed to survive a coup-attempt. Then there's the often overlooked blurb hidden in the German constitution stating that in the event that a non-legitimate government takes control somehow, their un-elected asses can be disposed off by the Bundeswehr. Like, the Bundeswehr is officially allowed to take over Berlin if Nazis or Communists somehow take over by violence instead of elections. 
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Are half of millennials secretly harking for that though? Did the dance video infect their brain? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6r6vnSR0wbI
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Danger - Octopus! posted:oh ffs, maybe there are a lot more important things to do than making GBS threads on trans people even more than the UK already does, but I guess the government is desperate to keep culture wars going already Different laws in Scotland to England, unthinkable, never happened before.
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Guavanaut posted:Are half of millennials secretly harking for that though? Did the dance video infect their brain? My assumption is that its presumably an astro-turfed survey, designed to be used for future Daily Mail articles to fearmonger the old that young people are dangerous communists who want to destroy democracy, so sensible folks need to get out and vote, whilst the feckless youth need their right to vote restricted, etc
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Guavanaut posted:Are all those "police and council are useless get the army in" comments on social media secretly by 30 year olds with ironic avatars of 60 year old brexiteers? It's a really good bit if so
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Guavanaut posted:There's parallels of this in the aftermath of the Great Influenza epidemic, countries that did (or were seen to have done) gently caress all saw rising support for authoritarianism and 'social cleanliness' and other things that lead to fascism. The survey being conducted by some wanky conservative think tank kinda makes it seem like they're trying to pave the way for something quite nasty because it's "supported" by the majority of their respondents. It would be quite chilling with a competent Tory at the helm but I'm not sure Supreme Leader Truss has it in her to be honest.
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Danger - Octopus! posted:oh ffs, maybe there are a lot more important things to do than making GBS threads on trans people even more than the UK already does, but I guess the government is desperate to keep culture wars going already Maybe I'm being senselessly optimistic but this may actually be a good thing - Nicki seemed content to kick the can well into the next century, but if it'd embarrass Truss to push it through then she just might. Again, senseless optimism most likely, but I'm also not convinced Liz could actually do anything anyway.
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Tigey posted:My assumption is that its presumably an astro-turfed survey, designed to be used for future Daily Mail articles to fearmonger the old that young people are dangerous communists who want to destroy democracy, so sensible folks need to get out and vote, whilst the feckless youth need their right to vote restricted, etc My assumption is that either the question asked is different to how it is phrased here, or it’s been presented in a very leading context, in an effort to pretend that people are ok with how the current government trample over the idea of democracy.
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Could be that those demographics can see that the current establishment is visibly incapable of doing anything but make their lives worse and are increasingly open to alternative ways of arranging things.
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Okay that's as much PMQs as I can stand. Overall pretty weak on her part, mostly having to rely on Tories doing the usual "would the prime minister agree that tories are sexy and cool and labour are gay paedophiles?" schtick
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Guavanaut posted:Johnson has poo poo heir She is gaffe-prone and tin-eared while Starmer offers real change
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Tesseraction posted:Okay that's as much PMQs as I can stand. An actual question there was 'Isn't cancer bad?'
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Tigey posted:My assumption is that its presumably an astro-turfed survey, designed to be used for future Daily Mail articles to fearmonger the old that young people are dangerous communists who want to destroy democracy, so sensible folks need to get out and vote, whilst the feckless youth need their right to vote restricted, etc The average supporter of the "army wouldn't stand for this" idea believes that the police spend all their time dancing in heels at gay pride for gays, arresting people for posting common sense on twitter, and attending mandatory diversity workshops where a dozen men in full Zulu regalia do an interpretive dance about destroying whiteness, and also that the army has any interest in doing the police's job for them. All ideas that the Daily Mail themselves promote. Fascism under no obligation to be consistent etc. but still 
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she hopes the blame for disruptions lands on Labour. But rail staff have public support and two-thirds of voters back a strike by nurses.
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happyhippy posted:An actual question there was 'Isn't cancer bad?' Well it does kill a lot of Tories, so it's impossible to say
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You can download the tables for that survey though they appear to be deliberately as unreadable as possible, some of the questions are loving mental though.
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'Hannah Bardell (SNP) asks why her constituents should have faith she can suffer the “ongoing humanitarian crisis” caused by the energy crisis. And will Truss be as “corrupt” as her predecessor? Sir Lindsay Hoyle, the Speaker, asks Bardell to withdraw the word corrupt. Bardell says: “Sometimes the truth hurts, but I’m happy to withdraw.”' Get in the loving bin Lindsay and drown in the bin juice. I pray for a larger sinkhole underneath Whitehall every single loving day. This gem just sums it all up - yes Liz, those people work REAL hard to take home exec pay packets for doing absolutely nothing. "Starmer says Truss is choosing to hand water companies polluting the rivers a tax cut. And banks are getting a tax cut. Companies doing well are getting a £17bn tax cut, while stroke victims wait an hour for an ambulance and criminals walk the streets with impunity. Why does she think it is right to protect Shell’s profits and to give Amazon a tax break? Truss says she is on the side of people who work hard. She will deliver jobs and opportunities." Diet Crack fucked around with this message at 12:47 on Sep 7, 2022 |
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Diet Crack posted:This gem just sums it all up - yes Liz, those people work REAL hard to take home exec pay packets for doing absolutely nothing.
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sebzilla posted:A dictator would be cool if they did good stuff and not if they did bad stuff imo I'd hazard a guess that most of my generation (born 1983) and younger feel the same way, to varying degrees, owing to being almost completely shut out of politics thanks to beta blockers and statins.
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sebzilla posted:A dictator would be cool if they did good stuff and not if they did bad stuff imo A dictator is de facto bad because they're a gigantic administrative chokepoint for an entire country. Either you have to channel all the important decisions through one extremely busy person or you end up having to outsource them to gently caress-knows-who (because if they had actual positions commensurate to their power and responsibility, it wouldn't be a dictatorship).
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I'm surprised the pound or stocks aren't crashing, seeing there was gently caress all announced by Liz today. There's 6 or so weeks before the prices increase, and right now its all 'wait and see what genius thing she will do that no one can see or spotted before to save the UK'.
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happyhippy posted:I'm surprised the pound or stocks aren't crashing Give it.. *checks watch* 1.5 to 26 hours.
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A scattering of questions from the survey:     ] The impression I get is more "the political system is loving useless" than "I wish we had a big strong daddy to get us some lebensraum" Also lmao that the old people are apparently stuck in a permanent feeling that the country has gone to the dogs no matter how much they actually get (it's the same spread for economics despite them having all the loving money) OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 13:16 on Sep 7, 2022 |
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Danger - Octopus! posted:oh ffs, maybe there are a lot more important things to do than making GBS threads on trans people even more than the UK already does, but I guess the government is desperate to keep culture wars going already this is especially lmao combined with the poll on democracy of course we should believe in British democracy! Also the Tory government in Westminster should have the right to directly interfere in a devolved matter like trans self-determination. There is no contradiction between these two positions
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Skarsnik posted:This seems not true or I'm misunderstanding Well BBC did say that, I'm not going to go through all the other Tories to confirm. BBC posted:He made the point that there is just one survivor around the cabinet table from David Cameron's time as prime minister, six years ago.
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Diet Crack posted:'Hannah Bardell (SNP) asks why her constituents should have faith she can suffer the “ongoing humanitarian crisis” caused by the energy crisis. And will Truss be as “corrupt” as her predecessor?
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But conversely if I was the Tories I’d probably give up even the slightest pretence of playing along at PMQs, given how it absolutely doesn’t matter. Just answer every question with “I support British people and businesses and we’re working hard to make Britain better” word-for-word, no matter what it is
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happyhippy posted:I'm surprised the pound or stocks aren't crashing... the only upside is Ukraine is loving the euro almost as much, so our major trading partner is in a simila.. oh.. one sec,. er.. We did what? Really? Why the gently caress did they do that? We are screwed.
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OzyMandrill posted:To where? The pound is already down at $1.14, it's not been this hosed since the 80s. Dunno what you're talking about, the Mongolian Tugrik is positively buoyant at the moment!
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