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zoux posted:Smeagol was a different flavor of proto-hobbit right? Anyway that dude is kicking around right now, I can absolutely see the final shot of this series being him dragging the ring from river muck. He is a Stoor, one of the other Hobbit ethnic groups. He was descended from a refugee group that went back east across the misty mountains during the wars with Angmar, but other than Smeagol, not much is remembered about them as eventually that group either returned to the shire, or met an ill end.
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Yeah, he was a Stoor if I remember correctly. It would not surprise me if they work him in at the end.
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Fre Merzasphor posted:Yeah, he was a Stoor if I remember correctly. It would not surprise me if they work him in at the end. they better not, but i could see them violating that "refugee" part of canon, and just show hobbits settling in the gladden fields area.
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zoux posted:Smeagol was a different flavor of proto-hobbit right? Anyway that dude is kicking around right now, I can absolutely see the final shot of this series being him dragging the ring from river muck. I don't think he is kicking around right now. Things that have to happen before Smeagol finds the ring: - The Forge is made - The Rings are Forged - The One Ring is Forged in secret - The War Against Sauron - Defeat of Sauron - Isuldur kicks around with the One Ring for...I don't know how long - Isuldur loses the ring - Ring goes down river And then Smeagol finds it. And that's just going off of what I know from the first books and the movies, I haven't started The Silmarillion yet. Now, I don't know how long each of those events take, or how long Smeagol's people live, but I'd guess he hasn't been born yet.
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thrawn527 posted:I don't think he is kicking around right now. Things that have to happen before Smeagol finds the ring: Gollum was like 550 when he dies. He finds the ring ~2.5k years after Isildur's death. the showrunner has said they wont contradict anything, which i know some people might thing condensing the storyline does but they meant they wont change Third Age stuff, but who knows they easily could just do it anyway and it'll be terrible.
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zoux posted:Smeagol was a different flavor of proto-hobbit right? Anyway that dude is kicking around right now, I can absolutely see the final shot of this series being him dragging the ring from river muck. Gollum has his own spin-off in the works. https://twitter.com/GollumGame/status/1545431747789312007
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Sep 8, 2022 22:25
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i hope no one plays that at all
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Sep 8, 2022 22:28
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We gets to slink around Middle-Earth being a sneak-thief? Doesn’t sound great to me, but different strokes and all.
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WoodrowSkillson posted:Gollum was like 550 when he dies. He finds the ring ~2.5k years after Isildur's death. the showrunner has said they wont contradict anything, which i know some people might thing condensing the storyline does but they meant they wont change Third Age stuff, but who knows they easily could just do it anyway and it'll be terrible. I took that to mean that they wouldn’t contradict the Jackson films, which still leaves lots of room for TA shenanigans.
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Sep 8, 2022 22:38
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stealth games piss me off but I hope he gets to ambush strangle people.
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Sep 8, 2022 22:41
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He throttles orcses, precious
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Noam Chomsky posted:Radaghast could make some sense, too. Him hanging out with these more wild hobbits would make sense. Random Harfoot: You ever taken mushrooms? Radagast: No, but.... well.... just once couldn't hurt, surely?
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Asema posted:do amazon shows go up at midnight or 3am est I didn’t see anyone answer you but it’s the other direction, they go up midnight GMT which is 8 edt I believe. Starks fucked around with this message at 23:05 on Sep 8, 2022 |
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Starks posted:I didn’t see anyone answer you but it’s the other direction, they go up midnight GMT which is 8 edt I believe Wait, really? I thought they said that last week was going to be the exception since it was the premiere, when it went up Thursday evening, but normally it would go up overnight for EST. fake edit: Or EDT, what the gently caress ever it's called right now.
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thrawn527 posted:Wait, really? I thought they said that last week was going to be the exception since it was the premiere, when it went up Thursday evening, but normally it would go up overnight for EST. Oh well maybe I’m wrong and they’re doing it differently for this show. In the past that’s how Amazon shows worked, I would always watch The Boys at like 9 on Thursdays. Edit Google would seem to indicate they are doing it differently for this show and it airs at midnight eastern Starks fucked around with this message at 23:05 on Sep 8, 2022 |
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Starks posted:Oh well maybe I’m wrong and they’re doing it differently for this show. In the past that’s how Amazon shows worked, I would always watch The Boys at like 9 on Thursdays. You may be right, and I never tried and just missed out. I always watched The Boys on Friday mornings. Maybe I did so like an idiot.
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It should release in a little less than 6 hours from now. 12 PM ET/9 PM PT/5 AM BST. EDIT: Yes, sorry, 12 AM ET. rkd_ fucked around with this message at 00:48 on Sep 9, 2022 |
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rkd_ posted:It should release in a little less than 6 hours from now. 12 PM ET/9 PM PT/5 AM BST. *12 AM ET. Minor correction.
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thrawn527 posted:
You might've just listed our five seasons there.
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Noam Chomsky posted:You might've just listed our five seasons there. Oh hey, look at that.
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Jerusalem posted:Something I love to think about is the mixture of excitement and pure terror Sauron must have felt when he realized the ring had made it all the way into Mount Doom without him realizing, but now he had a chance to grab it at the last second everything was fine everything was going to be all riiiii ..... oh that loving little poo poo Gollum Eru-dam-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- “And far away, as Frodo put on the Ring and claimed it for his own, even in Sammath Naur the very heart of his realm, the Power in Barad-dûr was shaken, and the Tower trembled from its foundations to its proud and bitter crown. The Dark Lord was suddenly aware of him, and his Eye piercing all shadows looked across the plain to the door that he had made; and the magnitude of his own folly was revealed to him in a blinding flash, and all the devices of his enemies were at last laid bare. Then his wrath blazed in consuming flame, but his fear rose like a vast black smoke to choke him. For he knew his deadly peril and the thread upon which his doom now hung. From all his policies and webs of fear and treachery, from all his stratagems and wars his mind shook free; and throughout his realm a tremor ran, his slaves quailed, and his armies halted, and his captains suddenly steerless, bereft of will, wavered and despaired. For they were forgotten. The whole mind and purpose of the Power that wielded them was now bent with overwhelming force upon the Mountain. At his summons, wheeling with a rending cry, in a last desperate race there flew, faster than the winds, the Nazgûl, the Ringwraiths, and with a storm of wings they hurtled southwards to Mount Doom.” GimpInBlack posted:I don't see any plausible way he's a Balrog. For one thing, to the vast majority of the viewing audience, a Balrog is a giant scary fire demon. Not only has there not been any hint in the show that Maiar can change forms, the show hasn't even mentioned Maiar or Valar at all. There's a ton of groundwork that would have to be laid for the average audience to understand it. I mean, the show will have to deal with the Maiar changing forms at some point, unless Annatar is going to be 10 feet tall to match the previous shots of Sauron as spiky-armour man of doom Yuiiut fucked around with this message at 01:04 on Sep 9, 2022 |
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Yuiiut posted:I mean, the show will have to deal with the Maiar changing forms at some point, unless Annatar is going to be 10 feet tall to match the previous shots of Sauron as spiky-armour man of doom I can't imagine the Stranger being a Balrog, but I think there's a weird but interesting story that can be told if he's secretly Annatar/Sauron. Even though it's speculation, I'll spoiler my guess because, who knows, it might be right: After Morgoth's end the elves are ruthlessly hunting for Sauron. We see the end of that hunt at the beginning of this series. So, there's no place on the world that Sauron can be safe. So, he leaves the world, catapulating himself into the stars themselves to regain he power unmolested in a safe place in the hope that he'll be forgotten and can eventually return and strike with surprise on his side. However, when Sauron does return he's lost to himself and much of his power, though regained, is unavailable to him. He's found by Nori who helps bring him to the place where he can reclaim his full mind and power (possibly at the cost of her own life). However evil Sauron is, Nori's compassion, unlooked, unasked for and unselfish, weighs on him and demands an answer in kind. So, Sauron leads the Harfoots to a place well out of the way of the coming events of the world where he uses his power in a perverse (to him) way to bless and protect - The Shire. It's why the Hobbits and the Shire is mostly untouched, why the Ring is more willing to reveal itself to them and why Hobbits are so resistant to its corruption. Thousands of years later Gandalf has sensed the echoes of The Enemy's use of power on The Shire so he investigates and keeps coming back - because he cannot for the life of himself figure WTF kind of horrific evil Sauron did - because this was one of the only truly good things Sauron did.
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BoldFace posted:Gollum has his own spin-off in the works. God that looks (and sounds!) terrible. I couldn’t stand that voice actor in just the video and those graphics look like a kids’ game from the early 00’s. Jesus that’s gonna flop so hard.
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Was that game in development before or after the video game company bought out the Lord of the Rings rights?
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The Stranger is Tom Bombadil, come to guide the Harfoots north to discover the Shire and put down roots.
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Yuiiut posted:
loving metal.
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Yuiiut posted:
My second favorite passage, the first being the Witch King's blood curdling threat to Eowyn of which the film disapointingly only uses the first line. edit: that whole scene really Book 5, Chapter 6 The Battle of the Pelennor Fields posted:“Begone, foul dwimmerlaik, lord of carrion! Leave the dead in peace!" 2nd level spells fucked around with this message at 01:32 on Sep 9, 2022 |
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2nd level spells posted:My second favorite passage, the first being the Witch King's blood curdling threat to Eowyn of which the film disapointingly only uses the first line. I don't recall all of that, but I do recall her blood failing to curdle and her giving him the "It's on like Donkey Kong" with "I am no man."
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zoux posted:Smeagol was a different flavor of proto-hobbit right? Anyway that dude is kicking around right now, I can absolutely see the final shot of this series being him dragging the ring from river muck. Smeagol was born many centuries into the Third Age but none of that madeup bullshit is relevant to Jeffrey Bezos's Prestigious Fantasy Epic so hell ya bring on gollum
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Well it's all sort of made up, isn't it
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What the gently caress! It’s 9pm EST so I go to watch the new episode, it’s not on so I’m like yknow “wtf” so some googling and I find out that it’ll be 12am from now on. What the actual gently caress. I’m so mad sad.
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Everyone posted:I don't recall all of that, but I do recall her blood failing to curdle and her giving him the "It's on like Donkey Kong" with "I am no man." I always thought condensing that whole Eowyn scene to "I am no man" was both a) a terrible disservice to the text and b) a wonderful example of how to adapt an unfilmable bit of dialogue to another medium so it has the perfect texture for delivery to a large audience. I both hate and love it with equal intensity Rankin-Bass adapted that scene word-for-word and it was just ridiculous, she's monologuing and the Witch-king is making that "yeah yeah wrap it up already" gesture
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Late to the party on this convo, but PJ making elves do twirly cgi bullshit was always the absolute worst part of LOTR, and especially bad in the hobbit trilogy, so seeing a little bit of it here sucks but it's not the end of the world. People saying elves are like DBZ characters are waaaaay wrong though, as I have already posted about previously in this thread: Kaedric posted:Naw this is just people being marvel-brained. In tolkien's works outside of nebulous 'magic' like influencing people or (very rarely) exploding pinecones/fireworks, there is very little in the way of 'superpowers'. Being one of the first born and seeing the light of the trees doesn't literally give people superpowers by soaking in the gamma radiation. Tolkien treats these people as just being essentially what legends are made of. They were capable of mighty acts that affected the world at large, because it was a 'legendary' time. Earendil fighting Ancalagon the black (the mightiest dragon to have ever lived) does not include him, like, blocking the dragon's claw over his head with a sword, or grabbing his tail and swinging him around like a cat. These are fights that lasted days, because that's what makes a good legend.
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Here is Fingolfin challenging Morgoth:quote:Morgoth issued forth clad in black armour; and he stood before the King like a tower iron-crowned, and his vast shield, sable unblazoned, cast a shadow over him like a stormcloud. But Fingolfin gleamed beneath it as a star; for his mail was overlaid with silver, and his blue shield was set with crystals; and he drew his sword Ringil, that glittered like ice. Somehow, in my mind's eye, I don't see Fingolfin spinning like a top and running up Morgoth's mace to slice him while also having his back turned because it's cool and epic to not look at the people you're attacking.
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I'm gonna be honest I can't imagine that fight going as nothing but exactly over-the-top fancy, either that or as Morgoth still being huge and fingolfin doing a shadow of the colossus/god of war on him. Yes I know he wasn't that big anymore but I'm glad someone painted this
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Elentor posted:I'm gonna be honest I can't imagine that fight going as nothing but exactly over-the-top fancy, either that or as Morgoth still being huge and fingolfin doing a shadow of the colossus/god of war on him. Yes I know he wasn't that big anymore but I'm glad someone painted this That looks metal as gently caress but for me this is the og: https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/lotr/images/b/b0/Melkor3.pjpg.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20100106165045 Kaedric fucked around with this message at 02:44 on Sep 9, 2022 |
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Hotlinking doesn't work, and yeah I love John Howe but I'll admit that when I read I thought Morgoth looked considerably bigger so reading all the dumb art on the internet from nerds who thought of the fight the same way as I did felt nice.
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Anita Dickinme posted:What the gently caress! It’s 9pm EST so I go to watch the new episode, it’s not on so I’m like yknow “wtf” so some googling and I find out that it’ll be 12am from now on. What the actual gently caress. Same. Weren't the first two episodes at 9p EST?
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Kaedric posted:Here is Fingolfin challenging Morgoth: You may think it looks stupid as it's been put to film but the Elves and beings above them absolutely have superhero level power and as such can do what you see in the films. How, exactly, do you think an elf fights Morgoth one on one, or a half elf fights and kills Ancalagon without "Marvel brained" super powers? I'm sorry you think it takes away from the seriousness of this fantasy epic but you're incredibly wrong. Like just logically, mathematically you're wrong. If you wetr right then a human could duel Morgoth and win, which would be absurd. The books completely establish a hierarchy of power. An elf can duel a being two rungs above him in cosmic power, who is the size of a building, but elves doing acrobatics are outside the realm of possibility? Think, man, think. Also, LotR has Beowulf and Aurthurian DNA. Beowulf is basically Captain America on steroids. There seems to be a disconnect between what you think LotR is and what it actually is. Noam Chomsky fucked around with this message at 03:00 on Sep 9, 2022 |
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