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Hammerstein posted:(I'm not gonna source every quote, but being this thread's turbo-nerd when it comes to Tolkien most stuff should be correct) Also, how could Adam and Eve breed the full race of humanity? I mean, like the Silmarillion, the Christian Bible is historical factual and scientifically true instead of being mythology, right? So how could two people breed all of humanity without the human race succumbing to inbreeding? Unless the Creation Myth in the Silmarillion is also something of a myth like the one in the Bible. Hammerstein posted:--If elves are so long lived how is it middle earth isn't just swarming with them? Even if we factor all the massive God wars and stuff that went down they're still going to be better off than other races certainly. One of the earliest fruits of the alliance between elves and dwarves was the Mithral condom. Hammerstein posted:--Why did most of the elves stick around on middle earth after the big bad was defeated? Isn't the island with the glowing tree their homeland? I mean is it really a complete impossibility for someone to be born somewhere, move someplace else and then move back to where they were born? Hammerstein posted:--How did Sauron convince the dwarves to take the rings? They seem really skeptical in general, like the discussion between Durin and his dad the king make me think they've dealt with scammers and moochers their whole existence, you mean to tell me Sauron is just going to barge in there like some Kirby vacuum cleaner salesman and convince them to take them? "Here, try this ring on. It'll give you a long life and show you the way to great treasure of gold under the earth." Much later. "Oh yeah, should have mentioned that all that great wealth of gold the rings helped you find will tend to draw dragons to come eat your bearded asses. Oops my bad."
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Hexel posted:Is it safe to assume the orcs are searching for the sword hilt the kid has?
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Sep 9, 2022 14:25
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Man, Galadriel gets to relax a bit for the first time in centuries, ride a horse in the sunlight, and enjoy herself and people just wanna be mean.
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Sep 9, 2022 14:32
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Also, the final blurry shot is our fan favourite benjin stark
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Jerusalem posted:Goddamn, so loving awesome. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aB6CPyO0Ww
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My guess is that "Adar" will turn out to be the Witch King / Future Lord of the Nazgul. Also, there's a possibility that Sauron was the giant wolf Nori and her friends encountered in episode 1. I think Tolkien had written that Sauron had the ability to take the form of a wolf, but he also had werewolves as servants. Anyway, I very much expect the harfoot caravan to get ambushed in the next episode. Edit: I guess it's also possible that Halbrand ends up switching sides and becomes the Witch King. Anyway, Galadriel trusts him way too much which sets up the stage for betrayal. BoldFace fucked around with this message at 14:58 on Sep 9, 2022 |
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Hexel posted:Is it safe to assume the orcs are searching for the sword hilt the kid has? Seems to be the case that the sword is what they are after. What is confusing you about all this and I'll answer without a book of new names and book stuff if possible.
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BoldFace posted:My guess is that "Adar" will turn out to be the Witch King / Future Lord of the Nazgul. Also, there's a possibility that Sauron was the giant wolf Nori and her friends encountered in episode 1. I think Tolkien had written that Sauron had the ability to take the form of a wolf, but he also had werewolves as servants. Anyway, I very much expect the harfoot caravan to get ambushed in the next episode. Isn't the Witch King just one of the kings of men the Rings of Power corrupted?
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drat you. Now I want to see Korean Vikings fighting dragons in Redneck of the Rings.
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Noam Chomsky posted:Isn't the Witch King just one of the kings of men the Rings of Power corrupted? Tolkien never really clarified his real identity. Episode 3 established Halbrand as a king in exile so Sauron can just give him a ring at some point.
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Sep 9, 2022 15:14
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For everyone asking where the Asians were we can now confirm that they were in Mordor digging a hole to
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Arc Hammer posted:For everyone asking where the Asians were we can now confirm that they were in Mordor digging a hole to
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Noam Chomsky posted:Isn't the Witch King just one of the kings of men the Rings of Power corrupted? Yes, Adar is listed as an elf in pre-release stuff. Technically that would be a change since the whole point of the 9 is they have the "Nine rings, for mortal men doomed to die" I'd be ok with it if its done well but ehhhhhh
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BoldFace posted:Tolkien never really clarified his real identity. Episode 3 established Halbrand as a king in exile so Sauron can just give him a ring at some point. I think Noam was saying that Adar being the Witch King wouldn't really make any sense, since there are no rings yet, so he wouldn't have been corrupted by said ring yet. Halbrand is a possibility, I guess.
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rkd_ posted:That's fair, although I don't think Tolkien would misuse words like 'fissure'. I agree (He does not use the word fissure at all)
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Sep 9, 2022 15:26
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Episode 3 seems solid enough. A lot of the elfs-and-orcs stuff (I keep forgetting the characters' names) that ended with the chain stuff was kinda "meh", but I can live with it.
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Man thinking about it some more and Harfoot society is metal as gently caress. Break your leg? Get loving left for dead. I love how they refer to it as "he fell behind" like rear end in a top hat no he got left behind. Imagine you break your leg and all your friends and family just leave you on the side of the road saying "you've fallen behind" and you die and then a year later some rear end in a top hat with a book reads your name like "Handy Knobbletree, broken leg" and then everyone gets teary eyes and says "we wait for you". Like bitch you COULD have waited for me!
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I didn't like the notion of the Harfoots abandoning their injured like that. A big reason we're so successful as a species is because we didn't abandon our sick or elderly when we still migrated. Darwin can suck it, we can and do look out for our own, especially in small prehistoric communities.
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Tom Tucker posted:Man thinking about it some more and Harfoot society is metal as gently caress. Break your leg? Get loving left for dead.
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But hobbits are a different species and if you'll notice ain't around anymore.
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Tom Tucker posted:Man thinking about it some more and Harfoot society is metal as gently caress. Break your leg? Get loving left for dead. It really sucks for him too because Melva the lazy bitch was the one who was supposed to be helping put that tent up
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For a moment I thought all the Harfoot women had nature themed names, but it appears Nori is short for Elanor?
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2nd level spells posted:But hobbits are a different species and if you'll notice ain't around anymore. This is why I'm not big on the show using the term human. Hobbits are humans, and to some extent Elves have to be as well given their capacity for kinship with men. Which is why a term like human doesn't have much bearing in Tolkien's world, whereas you can make a distinction between Man, Elf and Hobbit. Dwarves are their own separate race but that's a whole other discussion about artificially created beings.
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That Italian Guy posted:For a moment I thought all the Harfoot women had nature themed names, but it appears Nori is short for Elanor? Elanor is a flower in middle-earth
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That Italian Guy posted:For a moment I thought all the Harfoot women had nature themed names, but it appears Nori is short for Elanor? Still a nature themed name, elanor are flowers in Middle-earth
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I guess all the "lesser" beings of Middle-earth are able to crossbreed. Unsure about Maiar and I'd rather not have the picture of Gandalf having sex in my head.
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Noam Chomsky posted:Yep! What the rings do was left deliberately vague by Tolkien but I always envisioned them amplifying the natural abilities of the user. A warrior like Boromir would became even more fearsome and commanding. A sneak like Gollum would become sharp eyed and quick eared and better able to find secrets/stalk people. Someone like Gandalf would become even greater still than they already are. For the Dwarves, their rings inflamed their hearts and made them even greedier and more focused/capable of acquiring great wealth. The one ring did all of these things but just on a greater scale since it's the strongest ring and was made by Sauron himself. Elven Rings worked a little differently since they were all about preserving what the Elves loved. Galadriel's ring helps her maintain Lothlorien as a stainless, perfect, land, where no blight or sickness lives and time seems almost in a standstill. Mastering the rings (especially the one) was not something that was easily done either. Someone like Frodo couldn't just put on the one ring and immediately be able to command armies and dominate minds. They'd have to train their will and their mind to do those things before they could master the one and use it in that way. And probably nobody could master it fully to the extent that Sauron did. Ohhh i'm a nerd
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Ginette Reno posted:What the rings do was left deliberately vague by Tolkien but I always envisioned them amplifying the natural abilities of the user. A warrior like Boromir would became even more fearsome and commanding. A sneak like Gollum would become sharp eyed and quick eared and better able to find secrets/stalk people. Someone like Gandalf would become even greater still than they already are. For the Dwarves, their rings inflamed their hearts and made them even greedier and more focused/capable of acquiring great wealth. The one ring did all of these things but just on a greater scale since it's the strongest ring and was made by Sauron himself. Gandalf, Galadriel, and a few others might rival Sauron if they actually mastered the ring, but as Galadriel says, they would still be corrupted into evil by its very nature. They would be merging themselves with Sauron's will. They could dominate that will and be the master, but it would still be a part of them.
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Ginette Reno posted:What the rings do was left deliberately vague by Tolkien but I always envisioned them amplifying the natural abilities of the user. A warrior like Boromir would became even more fearsome and commanding. A sneak like Gollum would become sharp eyed and quick eared and better able to find secrets/stalk people. Someone like Gandalf would become even greater still than they already are. For the Dwarves, their rings inflamed their hearts and made them even greedier and more focused/capable of acquiring great wealth. The one ring did all of these things but just on a greater scale since it's the strongest ring and was made by Sauron himself. Agree with all that.
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BoldFace posted:I guess all the "lesser" beings of Middle-earth are able to crossbreed. Unsure about Maiar and I'd rather not have the picture of Gandalf having sex in my head. There's at least one Maia who shacked up with an elf and had a daughter. In older versions the Maiar and Valar were much more like Roman and Norse gods in that they formed families and had kids. But Tolkien removed all of the procreation when he turned them into angelic demiurges and the aforementioned Maia/elf couple and their very important child is all that survived of that epoch. Gandalf could gently caress but he's too Catholic to do so.
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guys, i do not think tolkien was a very good biologist. however IRL "species" can interbreed a lot of the time and are separated more by behavior or environment that genetic incompatibility. so lets just say they are different races but as children of illuvatar they can all do the nasty
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WoodrowSkillson posted:Yes, Adar is listed as an elf in pre-release stuff. Technically that would be a change since the whole point of the 9 is they have the "Nine rings, for mortal men doomed to die" I'd be ok with it if its done well but ehhhhhh
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Nitpick: Nori short for Elanor is horribly wrong from a continuity perspective -- Elanor was not a common hobbit name until Sam named his daughter Elanor, inspired by the elanor flower from Lorien. [1] Why would Harfoots name a child after a flower from Lorien? Lorien hasn't even been founded yet. Nor would they know the Elvish name for the flower? It's little things like this that are deeply disconcerting -- are they not paying attention to their source material and just picking names because they sound cool? Tolkien was a philologist for crying out loud -- words matter! etymology matters! You can't just make poo poo up! </rant> [1] https://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Elanor_(flower) alcaras fucked around with this message at 16:30 on Sep 9, 2022 |
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alcaras posted:Nitpick: my friend in 3000 years i think a name can come and go out of style and even be entirely forgotten
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WoodrowSkillson posted:my friend in 3000 years i think a name can come and go out of style and even be entirely forgotten I'm half in-jest. But only half.
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I'm sure the flower was around before Galadriel set up shop in Lorien.
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2nd level spells posted:I'm sure the flower was around before Galadriel set up shop in Lorien. UM ACTUALLY, the flower originated on the isle of Tol Eressea, and was brought by the elves to Numenor. It would not have been common in middle earth so Nori being named after it blah blah blah blah I ran out of energy here
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Kaedric posted:UM ACTUALLY, the flower originated on the isle of Tol Eressea, and was brought by the elves to Numenor. It would not have been common in middle earth so Nori being named after it blah blah blah blah I ran out of energy here Yup! These are easily avoidable errors that they ... don't seem to care about? Troubling lack of attention to detail and kind of mind-boggling on a show with this budget.
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i mean it seems like they couldnt be arsed to buy rights to all numenor's place names on The Numenor Show so
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