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Feels Villeneuve
Oct 7, 2007

Setter is Better.
"don't go to qcs to disagree with a decision" seems like a problem

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Arrrthritis
May 31, 2007

I don't care if you're a star, the moon, or the whole damn sky, you need to come back down to earth and remember where you came from

I said come in! posted:

Most (if not all of it?) was for children characters / actual people being sexualized. SA unfortunately has a history with posters like this, so I can understand the admins decision, but it could have been handled better still.

Yeah, the content posted definitely deserved a perma.

Shinjobi
Jul 10, 2008


Gravy Boat 2k
Yeah, I'm not defending anybody who got got. Just tired of most of these blow ups being waaaaaaay past due.

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007

Feels Villeneuve posted:

"don't go to qcs to disagree with a decision" seems like a problem

He didn't get perma'd for disagreeing with a decision

Feels Villeneuve
Oct 7, 2007

Setter is Better.

No Dignity posted:

He didn't get perma'd for disagreeing with a decision

no, but the thread right now is in a "investigate everyone who disagrees" mood which makes qcs unusable.

and i completely agree with blasting that thread/IK but that specific atmosphere nearly killed the forum two years ago.

The Dark Souls of Posters
Nov 4, 2011

Just Post, Kupo
I appreciate that way back when a mod edited the post way back when to ensure it was properly tagged NWS

Red Alert 2 Yuris Revenge
May 8, 2006

"My brain is amazing! It's full of wrinkles, and... Uh... Wait... What am I trying to say?"

Shinjobi posted:

Yeah, I'm not defending anybody who got got. Just tired of most of these blow ups being waaaaaaay past due.

you can't expect the mods to click on the threads in their forums

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007

Feels Villeneuve posted:

no, but the thread right now is in a "investigate everyone who disagrees" mood which makes qcs unusable.

and i completely agree with blasting that thread/IK but that specific atmosphere nearly killed the forum two years ago.

Your takeaway from 'guy sticks neck out for people posting cp, is revealed to have also posted cp' is that QCS is just too darn nosy about peoples post histories?

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007

Feels Villeneuve posted:

no, but the thread right now is in a "investigate everyone who disagrees" mood which makes qcs unusable.

and i completely agree with blasting that thread/IK but that specific atmosphere nearly killed the forum two years ago.

that “specific atmosphere” was from a handful of manic narcissists and a con artist making up accusations against people with no evidence. there is plenty of evidence for this current atmosphere. one may in fact wish that there was less evidence

grieving for Gandalf
Apr 22, 2008

Feels Villeneuve posted:

no, but the thread right now is in a "investigate everyone who disagrees" mood which makes qcs unusable.

and i completely agree with blasting that thread/IK but that specific atmosphere nearly killed the forum two years ago.

I've no beef with you but I wanna say that this is missing context, which is that Khanstant created and then posted a weird image of Ash Ketchum, the perpetual ten-year-old, doing stuff with his cloaca. it's just a no on that

it's a message board and people can just look up your posts, it's not a good idea to go into the thread where the admins are just getting back from exhaustively reading through awful, disgusting poo poo to complain about who was banned for that when you also make and post awful, disgusting poo poo. I think that's just not using your brain

hatty
Feb 28, 2011

Pork Pro
Big anti horny energy lately, is this a blowback from how horny 2019 and 2020 were? Around that time you had people loudly announce their fetishes and things like the word “vore” entered common language. Strange times those were

Feels Villeneuve
Oct 7, 2007

Setter is Better.

No Dignity posted:

Your takeaway from 'guy sticks neck out for people posting cp, is revealed to have also posted cp' is that QCS is just too darn nosy about peoples post histories?

my takeaway is that an atmosphere where anyone who disagrees with consensus is immediately viewed as a potential forum enemy is something which can very quickly lead to ugly places, and it doesn't matter how justified it was in this specific case.

Arrrthritis
May 31, 2007

I don't care if you're a star, the moon, or the whole damn sky, you need to come back down to earth and remember where you came from

hatty posted:

Big anti horny energy lately, is this a blowback from how horny 2019 and 2020 were? Around that time you had people loudly announce their fetishes and things like the word “vore” entered common language. Strange times those were

Goons took horny too far and ruined it. Horny is prohibited.

bone emulator
Nov 3, 2005

Wrrroavr

Arrrthritis posted:

Goons took horny too far and ruined it. Horny is prohibited.

they won't even let us vote for Bowsette anymore

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

~*4 LIFE*~
Huh I didn't realise we'd had another huge drama

*changes the Days Since the Forum Had a Pedo Thread sign back to 0*

Motto
Aug 3, 2013

hatty posted:

Big anti horny energy lately, is this a blowback from how horny 2019 and 2020 were? Around that time you had people loudly announce their fetishes and things like the word “vore” entered common language. Strange times those were

I'd be all for also permabanning people who couldn't and still can't shut up about resident evil or mario characters or w/e

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

~*4 LIFE*~

Feels Villeneuve posted:

my takeaway is that an atmosphere where anyone who disagrees with consensus is immediately viewed as a potential forum enemy is something which can very quickly lead to ugly places

Ah I see you've not posted in QCS before

Stux
Nov 17, 2006

Feels Villeneuve posted:

my takeaway is that an atmosphere where anyone who disagrees with consensus is immediately viewed as a potential forum enemy is something which can very quickly lead to ugly places, and it doesn't matter how justified it was in this specific case.

the consensus of posting sexualised drawings of kids is bad... terrifying...

Feels Villeneuve
Oct 7, 2007

Setter is Better.

Oxxidation posted:

that “specific atmosphere” was from a handful of manic narcissists and a con artist making up accusations against people with no evidence. there is plenty of evidence for this current atmosphere. one may in fact wish that there was less evidence

that blowup started with posts which were legitimately over the line and should have been slapped. It turned into a thing which almost killed the forums because "freak hunting" is the specific type of atmosphere that encourages factions and bad actors.

anyway i don't want to blow this thread up, it's just a weird atmosphere lately.

Shinjobi
Jul 10, 2008


Gravy Boat 2k

hatty posted:

Big anti horny energy lately, is this a blowback from how horny 2019 and 2020 were? Around that time you had people loudly announce their fetishes and things like the word “vore” entered common language. Strange times those were

I think the issue is that left to its own devices horny energy corrupts. Tread carefully in a horny zone, friend.

Stux
Nov 17, 2006

Feels Villeneuve posted:

"don't go to qcs to disagree with a decision" seems like a problem

you can post in qcs that you disagree with nearly any decision. the one that you probably cant is people openly posting underaged fetish pics if you also have done that and its in your rap sheet. outside of that nothing seemst o happen to people disagreeing or arguing at all.

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007

Feels Villeneuve posted:

that blowup started with posts which were legitimately over the line and should have been slapped. It turned into a thing which almost killed the forums because "freak hunting" is the specific type of atmosphere that encourages factions and bad actors.

anyway i don't want to blow this thread up, it's just a weird atmosphere lately.

it turned into a thing because one of the mods was a thief who was deliberately stoking the flames to gain an admin position and continue scamming people with impunity

if this has precedent it’s that AGDQ blowup where a bunch of people got whacked because they thought a speedrunning thread was a primo place to unload their R-rated videogame art folders

Feels Villeneuve
Oct 7, 2007

Setter is Better.

Stux posted:

the consensus of posting sexualised drawings of kids is bad... terrifying...

and back then it was a consensus against racists, bigots and transphobes which i assume everyone agrees is bad. this eventually devolved into people making lists of forum enemies for posting about Neopets.


i don't think the gas/bans in that thread are unjustified but this is specifically the kind of atmosphere that can be hijacked by opportunists and turned into this.

Oxxidation posted:

it turned into a thing because one of the mods was a thief who was deliberately stoking the flames to gain an admin position and continue scamming people with impunity

yeah because the idea of there being a group of forum enemies that must be seeked out and destroyed is really, really easy to hijack

Shinjobi
Jul 10, 2008


Gravy Boat 2k
Has anyone played the Klonoa remasters? I'm tempted to pick em up, never got to play the originals.

Dr. Fishopolis
Aug 31, 2004

ROBOT

Feels Villeneuve posted:

that blowup started with posts which were legitimately over the line and should have been slapped. It turned into a thing which almost killed the forums because "freak hunting" is the specific type of atmosphere that encourages factions and bad actors.

anyway i don't want to blow this thread up, it's just a weird atmosphere lately.

i think when the "freak hunting" is literally just mods taking action against literal underage porn, that's a specific type of atmosphere that I am extremely glad exists. i am proudly in the anti child porn faction and i will gladly destroy anyone in the opposing faction because their argument is that they would like to present child porn to the something awful forums.

this is not a good thing to try and "both sides", it is not just forum bickering.

Stux
Nov 17, 2006

Feels Villeneuve posted:

and back then it was a consensus against racists, bigots and transphobes which i assume everyone agrees is bad. this eventually devolved into people making lists of forum enemies for posting about Neopets.


i don't think the gas/bans in that thread are unjustified but this is specifically the kind of atmosphere that can be hijacked by opportunists and turned into this.

theres significantly less room for misinterpretation or lack of context when it comes to people posting images of underaged characters vs the adolf hitler megathread

Sakurazuka
Jan 24, 2004

NANI?

Shinjobi posted:

Has anyone played the Klonoa remasters? I'm tempted to pick em up, never got to play the originals.

Yeah they're good ports of two of the best platformers ever made

Dr. Fishopolis
Aug 31, 2004

ROBOT

Feels Villeneuve posted:

and back then it was a consensus against racists, bigots and transphobes which i assume everyone agrees is bad. this eventually devolved into people making lists of forum enemies for posting about Neopets.

"we shouldn't ban for racism or transphobia because it'll create an environment where people make forum enemies" is what i'm getting from this, but that can't possibly be a real take so you're gonna have to explain this further

Jay Rust
Sep 27, 2011

I averted my eyes quick and will not double-check but it looked like a grown-up Ash Ketchum

Feels Villeneuve
Oct 7, 2007

Setter is Better.

Stux posted:

theres significantly less room for misinterpretation or lack of context when it comes to people posting images of underaged characters vs the adolf hitler megathread

this is a user base which has repeatedly called an admin a pedophile for a) having an avatar from an anime people don't like, and b) making a bad-taste joke


anyway I'm sorry to argue I just loving hate this, it's depressing. i just like posting here, I don't want to view the people posting as infested with enemies to be cleansed.

cheetah7071
Oct 20, 2010

honk honk
College Slice
People using rhe atmosphere of hunting nazis to make lists of posters to harass which were in reality just their posting enemies and not nazis at all was a thing that happened, and I assume is what's being referenced

hatty
Feb 28, 2011

Pork Pro
It’s a witch hunt atmosphere except the witches are real and actually do eat children

Dr. Fishopolis
Aug 31, 2004

ROBOT

cheetah7071 posted:

People using rhe atmosphere of hunting nazis to make lists of posters to harass which were in reality just their posting enemies and not nazis at all was a thing that happened, and I assume is what's being referenced

well okay, but what's the solution? not hunt nazis? you don't think people will harass their posting enemies anyway?

i'm sad that it turns out there are horrible posters on the something awful forums too, but I would much rather deal with wokescold idiots taking it too far than actual nazis and pedos.

Dr. Fishopolis
Aug 31, 2004

ROBOT

Feels Villeneuve posted:

this is a user base which has repeatedly called an admin a pedophile for a) having an avatar from an anime people don't like, and b) making a bad-taste joke


anyway I'm sorry to argue I just loving hate this, it's depressing. i just like posting here, I don't want to view the people posting as infested with enemies to be cleansed.

that happened to admins way before any of this was unearthed and will continue to happen until the forums are consumed by the death of the sun.

i don't want to view people that way either, and it's very easy not to, largely by not doing that.

Kerrzhe
Nov 5, 2008

i got the complete space suit in dinkum



im a astronaut

Stux
Nov 17, 2006

Feels Villeneuve posted:

this is a user base which has repeatedly called an admin a pedophile for a) having an avatar from an anime people don't like, and b) making a bad-taste joke


anyway I'm sorry to argue I just loving hate this, it's depressing. i just like posting here, I don't want to view the people posting as infested with enemies to be cleansed.

my brother, what just happened was people posting images publically of udneraged characters in sexual situations being permaed. not whatever else it is ur talking about.

FirstAidKite
Nov 8, 2009

Kerrzhe posted:

i got the complete space suit in dinkum



im a astronaut

Can you travel into space in Dinkum

Red Alert 2 Yuris Revenge
May 8, 2006

"My brain is amazing! It's full of wrinkles, and... Uh... Wait... What am I trying to say?"
i'm a woke scold

Amp
Sep 10, 2010

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Relax Or DIE posted:

i'm a woke scold

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Feels Villeneuve
Oct 7, 2007

Setter is Better.

Stux posted:

my brother, what just happened was people posting images publically of udneraged characters in sexual situations being permaed. not whatever else it is ur talking about.

and the way this is exploited is by expanding the definition to include whoever you don't like. "bigots" turns into anyone who thinks blowing up FYAD was an overreaction, and ive seen enough poo poo to know that it's entirely possible to expand the definition of pretty much anything this way.

i don't disagree at all that the thread should have been gassed and the worst actors banned at all. but when people start posting poo poo about how anyone who disagrees should be suspected, that's bad poo poo.

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