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Half-wit
Aug 31, 2005

Half a wit more than baby Asahel, or half a wit less? You decide.

Travic posted:

I went through as many patch notes as I could find and I didn't see anything about making it easier so maybe I'm imagining it. They apparently even nerfed Spire ships too.

But before I got the expansions it was soul crushingly difficult. Now I'm flying through it. I dont know. :shrug:

I'm pretty sure there was something about the giant fuckoff lasers on spire ships not hitting things correctly in AI War 2 that they patched at some point (mayhaps around here talking about 'coil beam' https://wiki.arcengames.com/index.php?title=AI_War_2:Finalizing_Multiplayer#3.202_General_Bugfixing ). After which spire ships giant fuckoff lasers started working correctly and they had to nerf the spire ships.

Yeah, that patch note says it was doing 1400% extra damage, but that 1400% extra damage meant nothing because the beams weren't actually hitting their targets prior to the fix.

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Travic
May 27, 2007

Getting nowhere fast

Half-wit posted:

I'm pretty sure there was something about the giant fuckoff lasers on spire ships not hitting things correctly in AI War 2 that they patched at some point (mayhaps around here talking about 'coil beam' https://wiki.arcengames.com/index.php?title=AI_War_2:Finalizing_Multiplayer#3.202_General_Bugfixing ). After which spire ships giant fuckoff lasers started working correctly and they had to nerf the spire ships.

Yeah, that patch note says it was doing 1400% extra damage, but that 1400% extra damage meant nothing because the beams weren't actually hitting their targets prior to the fix.

That's it. Yeah I was stunned to see how weak the Spire ships were. They'd spend ages trying to kill a single ship. Only when you got a critical mass of them together did they do any work.

Now stuff is evaporating. Makes all the difference in the world.

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

I wish we would get the bote update for shadow empires sometime soon. :smith:

DrManiac
Feb 29, 2012

Uh is there an up to date beginner’s guide for the ashes of erbus civ 4 mod? I have no idea what I’m doing because I never really played civ 4. I can normally get my first few cities going pretty good then something comes and pushes my poo poo in.

Ichabod Sexbeast
Dec 5, 2011

Giving 'em the old razzle-dazzle
I remember hearing about a stellaris mod that makes it so you basically play as a science ship, star trek style. What's it called? Any good? Was it a weird dream I had once?

Lum_
Jun 5, 2006

DrManiac posted:

Uh is there an up to date beginner’s guide for the ashes of erbus civ 4 mod? I have no idea what I’m doing because I never really played civ 4. I can normally get my first few cities going pretty good then something comes and pushes my poo poo in.

Ashes of Erebus started out as Fall from Heaven.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=730383169
https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/ffh-ii-strategy-thread-index.222845/

If you never played Civ 4 before though, you're probably going to have a rough time!

Brendan Rodgers
Jun 11, 2014




Oh wow, don't play Fall From Heaven without knowing how to play Civ 4 first, at least do one or two Civ 4 games first. Good to hear that mod is still alive.

Looking back, Endless Legend failed at being Fall From Heaven, and even then it's been downhill for Amplitude ever since that peak.

Brendan Rodgers fucked around with this message at 19:06 on Aug 25, 2022

Quaint Quail Quilt
Jun 19, 2006


Ask me about that time I told people mixing bleach and vinegar is okay
I liked everything about endless legend except the combat. It wasn't fun enough to micro, and auto would make you lose battles you knew you could easily micro a win out of.

Complications
Jun 19, 2014

Brendan Rodgers posted:

Oh wow, don't play Fall From Heaven without knowing how to play Civ 4 first, at least do one or two Civ 4 games first. Good to hear that mod is still alive.

Let me add on to this advice - stay away from the Master of Mana set of submods before you've played a few games of other FFH2 submods first. It tacks on a Caveman2Cosmos type resource system and vastly increases the fuckery going on with units which will be incredibly unhelpful for learning how to play when you're also trying to figure out what everything else also does.

hannibal
Jul 27, 2001

[img-planes]

Ichabod Sexbeast posted:

I remember hearing about a stellaris mod that makes it so you basically play as a science ship, star trek style. What's it called? Any good? Was it a weird dream I had once?

Star Trek New Horizons is a Stellaris mod, but it's not 'play a science ship' but more 'play Birth of the Federation in Stellaris' - it's just Star Trek flavored Stellaris, really.

toasterwarrior
Nov 11, 2011

Complications posted:

Let me add on to this advice - stay away from the Master of Mana set of submods before you've played a few games of other FFH2 submods first. It tacks on a Caveman2Cosmos type resource system and vastly increases the fuckery going on with units which will be incredibly unhelpful for learning how to play when you're also trying to figure out what everything else also does.

Master of Mana is practically a different mod from FFH2 at this point. Hell, it's a practically a different game from Civ 4. I love it lots but people going into it expecting more Civ are in for a major shock.

ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

DrManiac posted:

Uh is there an up to date beginner’s guide for the ashes of erbus civ 4 mod? I have no idea what I’m doing because I never really played civ 4. I can normally get my first few cities going pretty good then something comes and pushes my poo poo in.

Biggest tip I can give you is to enable timid animals in the Custom Game options(keeps animals from entering your borders.) Make sure to prioritize Hunting and build a bunch of Hunters to escort your settlers and also to explore the world. Never send a hunter off by themselves. Always at least 2 after the first 20 turns, and probably stacks of 3+ after the first 100 turns.

Other then that, the world is very hostile and gets worse as the game progresses. More cities is good, and there are a lot of ways you can go in the tech tree. I usually go Mysticism first so that I can run God King, then I may go for Hunting -> Fellowship of Leaves, or Mining -> Runes of Kilmorph depending on the terrain. Pick up Agriculture -> Animal Husbandry either before or directly after Mysticism.
If you can keep your starting scout alive long enough to get subdue animals (lets you capture animals, requires animal husbandry) you can capture Griffons, Pigs, and Bears which provide a large boon for early development of your cities.
Don't be afraid to build a few more early scout and stack them together to explore a bit more. Scouts can handle early animals, but not giant spiders/elephants/wyrms/pegasus, tigers/gorillas are 50/50 depending on terrain and how promoted your scout is.

Complications
Jun 19, 2014

toasterwarrior posted:

Master of Mana is practically a different mod from FFH2 at this point. Hell, it's a practically a different game from Civ 4. I love it lots but people going into it expecting more Civ are in for a major shock.

Hah, yeah. When I was first trying to get into FFH2 all I knew was that the submods were what was being updated. I looked around the description pages for them, said to myself Master of Mana xTended sounds cool, and tried that one. To add insult to injury my first civilization was the Frozen. You can guess how well that game went. I tried a couple more but the difficulty cliff was too much. I downloaded the original FFH2 then figuring that maybe an intermediate amount of changes would be more manageable. After a couple games with that I went with the Realms Beyond Rise From Erebus mod since it looked similar and oh hey Master of Mana was an outlier lol.

I still want to try and get back into it someday but that fey mood just hasn't properly taken me yet.

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

hannibal posted:

Star Trek New Horizons is a Stellaris mod, but it's not 'play a science ship' but more 'play Birth of the Federation in Stellaris' - it's just Star Trek flavored Stellaris, really.

I should give that another go honestly.

Lum_
Jun 5, 2006

Lawman 0 posted:

I should give that another go honestly.

It's fun. If you find it overwhelming in the amount of changes they do to base Stellaris, there's a fork which adds less cruft that's worth trying.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1886496498

Omi no Kami
Feb 19, 2014


Man, I wasn't aware of what a huge modding scene there was for Civ 4... are any of these worth getting it on sale for, or is it more a matter of "Yo, are you tired of playing thousands of hours of Civ 4? Well here's cavemen with laser guns"?

Zurai
Feb 13, 2012


Wait -- I haven't even voted in this game yet!

Yes, Civ4 has an incredibly extensive mod scene since it's just about the most moddable AAA 4x game in existence. If you're into fantasy strategy games, check out Fall From Heaven 2, which is a fantasy total conversion adding things like magic, heroes, religions that matter, etc etc. It also has a bunch of further mods (Fall Further, etc) that will extend the game even more.

EDIT: Slightly misread the question. Yes, absolutely get Civ4 on sale. It's IMO the best version of Civ to start with, and there are just absolute tons of high-quality mods for it. As long as you're not put off by Civ-style games, you'll get your money's worth out of it and then some.

Zurai fucked around with this message at 05:49 on Sep 9, 2022

orangelex44
Oct 11, 2012

Definition of orange:

Any of a group of colors that are between red and yellow in hue. Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Old Occitan, from Arabic, from Persian, from Sanskrit.

Definition of lex:

Law. Latin.
I'll +1 to saying that Civ 4 is worth getting on sale. Civ 4 with Fall From Heaven II is, in my opinion, the absolute peak of the series... and that's including Alpha Centauri.

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


Legit Cyberpunk









Yeah ffh2 absolutely slaps.

Pirate Radar
Apr 18, 2008

You're not my Ruthie!
You're not my Debbie!
You're not my Sherry!
It would be impossible to find a single conclusive answer, but Civ4 would absolutely be in the running for “which video game can provide the most hours of interesting play with a single purchase?”

Yaoi Gagarin
Feb 20, 2014

Just make sure to buy a complete/gold/whatever edition that includes the two expansion packs. Most mods are going to require them anyway.

THE BAR
Oct 20, 2011

You know what might look better on your nose?

How multiplayer friendly is Civ4? I've managed to play all of them but 1 and 4, and 5-6 really.. doesn't work for multiplayer.

Which is a shame, because that would relieve you of playing against the AI. And I'm using "AI" extremely generous here.

Cynic Jester
Apr 11, 2009

Let's put a simile on that face
A dazzling simile
Twinkling like the night sky

THE BAR posted:

How multiplayer friendly is Civ4? I've managed to play all of them but 1 and 4, and 5-6 really.. doesn't work for multiplayer.

Which is a shame, because that would relieve you of playing against the AI. And I'm using "AI" extremely generous here.

Generally fine, but extensive mods tend to desync every so often. I haven't played the latest succesor to FFH2 but i remember Rise from Erebus desyncing quite a bit.

habituallyred
Feb 6, 2015
The base game runs into desync problems too if the game goes on too long. Allegedly they were getting close to a mod solution to that last time I checked.

But I don't think anything is going to fix desyncs with the dune mod. Unsurprisingly there are romance of the three kingdoms mods, a tohou mod, an alpha centauri mod, all kinds of stuff. One of the FFH2 modmods had a system where units fought for more than one turn!

habituallyred fucked around with this message at 01:11 on Sep 11, 2022

Tendales
Mar 9, 2012
You should be playing MP in pitboss mode if at all possible anyway, which should hopefully get around desync issues.

Drives me crazy that each version of Civ at release was like "we didn't think to include the only method that makes long form multiplayer gaming tolerable lol"

alcaras
Oct 3, 2013

noli timere

THE BAR posted:

How multiplayer friendly is Civ4? I've managed to play all of them but 1 and 4, and 5-6 really.. doesn't work for multiplayer.

Which is a shame, because that would relieve you of playing against the AI. And I'm using "AI" extremely generous here.

Old World (also by Soren Johnson, lead designer on Civ4) is also on sale https://store.steampowered.com/app/597180/Old_World/. Think of it as a spiritual successor to Civ4 with some CK3-style characters and events added on. (Very much a 4X at its core though). Tech tree stops pre-gunpowder (imo the best era in Civ anyway).

It has a play-by-cloud (basically pitboss except the save gets uploaded / downloaded from the cloud instead over email) which is a great way to play MP. A pretty vibrant play-by-cloud MP community as well.

Pitboss / play-by-cloud / play-by-email is the best way to play 4X MP, imo. Network just runs into waiting for everyone's turn (boring) or a click fest / who-has-the-best-ping if you're playing with simul.

alcaras fucked around with this message at 16:46 on Sep 9, 2022

LLSix
Jan 20, 2010

The real power behind countless overlords

Any tips for learning, or rather re-learning, Civ4? I must have played a ton of it back when it first came out, but when I loaded it up recently nothing looked familiar.

Tendales
Mar 9, 2012
I'd check out some of the AAR forum threads on civfanatics. It's old, but the All Leader Challenge series was pretty good. https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/the-all-leaders-challenge-game-bullpen.216961/

The Human Crouton
Sep 20, 2002

Is there any way to tone down the background galaxy graphics in Endless Space 2?

It's so prominent that it makes it difficult to read the map sometimes, and it makes it especially difficult to see which areas I've already revealed with probes.

THE BAR
Oct 20, 2011

You know what might look better on your nose?

Thanks for the tips. It amazes me that every Civ iteration has had trouble with desyncs. You'd think they'd learn..!

Zurai
Feb 13, 2012


Wait -- I haven't even voted in this game yet!

Networking code is genuinely hard, especially with a million moving parts.

orangelex44
Oct 11, 2012

Definition of orange:

Any of a group of colors that are between red and yellow in hue. Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Old Occitan, from Arabic, from Persian, from Sanskrit.

Definition of lex:

Law. Latin.
MP is also a very low priority for the Civ series.

Kanos
Sep 6, 2006

was there a time when speedwagon didn't get trolled
They also overhaul the game systems with every major iteration so that also necessitates an overhaul of the synchronization code.

THE BAR
Oct 20, 2011

You know what might look better on your nose?

Zurai posted:

Networking code is genuinely hard, especially with a million moving parts.

Then they should probably just drop it, instead of disappointing people for decades.

FishMcCool
Apr 9, 2021

lolcats are still funny
Fallen Rib

THE BAR posted:

Then they should probably just drop it, instead of disappointing people for decades.

I'm confused. Is this the Star Citizen thread?

THE BAR
Oct 20, 2011

You know what might look better on your nose?

FishMcCool posted:

I'm confused. Is this the Star Citizen thread?

Either that, or I forgot to turn my monitor on again.

Thom12255
Feb 23, 2013
WHERE THE FUCK IS MY MONEY
Never thought Sins 2 would come but I'm interested.

https://www.pcgamer.com/sins-of-a-solar-empire-2-is-reaching-for-the-stars

EDIT:

Big change is that planets now orbit stars and have moons - the phase lanes will change over the course of the game as the planets move in real time.

It will be an Epic exclusive for the first year which seems to be a year of early access starting in a few weeks if you pre-order.

Still full mod support for total conversions built directly into the game.

They intend to keep all the Sins 1 DLC content included in the base game.

Thom12255 fucked around with this message at 22:35 on Sep 15, 2022

chaosapiant
Oct 10, 2012

White Line Fever

If I want to get into Sins, what is the best version(s) to buy?

Thom12255
Feb 23, 2013
WHERE THE FUCK IS MY MONEY

chaosapiant posted:

If I want to get into Sins, what is the best version(s) to buy?

Rebellion is the only one you should buy these days, it has all the previous content.

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DaysBefore
Jan 24, 2019


Oh hell yeah, this rules

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