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killer crane posted:Would you want to play for Nebraska? I'd let them pay me to not win games, sure.
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regulargonzalez posted:Thank you for an actual answer vs "they're bad because they suck", begging-the-question nonsense. the packers and vikings aren't recruiting high schoolers
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Sep 12, 2022 04:55
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That's the whole point. They did have Iowa and Wisconsin level success but decided that wasn't good enough for them. And that mindset blew up on their faces several times
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Sep 12, 2022 04:55
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whos that broooown posted:That's the whole point. They did have Iowa and Wisconsin level success but decided that wasn't good enough for them. And that mindset blew up on their faces several times Reminder that there was literally a quote about how we didn't want to be at Iowa's level. They've beaten us every year since 2014. e: Now with a link to an article about it Dango Bango fucked around with this message at 05:03 on Sep 12, 2022 |
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Sep 12, 2022 04:59
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Bo would have been eventually fired even if he was the nicest man in the planet because his defense doesn't work in 2020
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Sep 12, 2022 05:00
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The incredibly important part is that Nebraska isn't in the same demographic canoe as Iowa, Wisconsin, Purdue, and Minnesota. Iowa is only about a third larger than Nebraska, but the others are like three times the size. Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Indiana all have cities with populations greater than all of Nebraska. If you assume that a school is generally pulling from an radius of 300 miles away, the Big Ten looks like this: Penn State: 70.5 million Rutgers: 67 million Maryland: 66.2 million Purdue/Indiana: 54 million Ohio State: 49.7 million Northwestern: 48.1 million Michigan/Michigan State: 47.5 million Illinois: 45.8 million Iowa: 36.5 million Wisconsin: 36.1 million Minnesota: 16.9 million Nebraska: 11.3 million Obviously this isn't foolproof, but even Oklahoma has 21.8 million people in that hypothetical recruiting zone. Nebraska just doesn't have the population to support the level of recruiting you need to drive the type of program they want to be. Now I want to fire up ArcGIS and plot where schools actually recruit from.
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Sep 12, 2022 05:07
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Alaois posted:also gently caress me i thought last year was Sam Hartman's last, they're gonna find some loophole that will let him be an 8 year starter Lol yeah. It wasn't because he got a medical redshirt, a regular redshirt, and a COVID mulligan. 
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Sep 12, 2022 05:07
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I will continue to cheer for the Nebraska football team because I am a fool. Mostly I’m glad to be watching football again every week.
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Sep 12, 2022 05:16
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Sash! posted:The incredibly important part is that Nebraska isn't in the same demographic canoe as Iowa, Wisconsin, Purdue, and Minnesota. Iowa is only about a third larger than Nebraska, but the others are like three times the size. Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Indiana all have cities with populations greater than all of Nebraska. I don't know how you can possibly say this is an important metric when you see Rutgers and Maryland in the top 3.
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Sep 12, 2022 05:18
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whos that broooown posted:I don't know how you can possibly say this is an important metric when you see Rutgers and Maryland in the top 3. both teams are better than nebraska right now. ipso facto
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Sep 12, 2022 05:22
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Maybe even six times better
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Borsche69 posted:both teams are better than nebraska right now. ipso facto also have much more fertile recruiting grounds to draw from that are preyed upon by a lot of significantly larger programs. aint no one recruiting nebraska
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Sep 12, 2022 05:28
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Like obviously recruiting territory is an important factor. But you can succeed without being in a recruiting hotbed. Ffs Utah has two teams in the top 15. Nebraska administration hosed up in just about every possible way, were too self absorbed to admit it, and then did it AGAIN
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Sep 12, 2022 05:29
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It was nice for VT to play good defense and get a W at home in front of a good crowd. Go Hokies. The offense doesn't have much and the best player seems to hurt himself every big play, but the defense and special teams are feeling right which is, again, nice. Vols are gonna be playing with fire all year, but its fun! Watching teams that should be good get mediocre to bad makes me appreciate the games being fun. Win or lose, make them fun and exciting. Vols deliver and good on Hendon to get a W at Heinz field. Go Vols Go.
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Sep 12, 2022 05:30
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North Dakota State has managed to craft itself into an FCS Death Star that no FBS program dare schedule or else face complete embarrassment and they're recruiting the exact same geographical region as those Big 10 schools
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Borsche69 posted:both teams are better than nebraska right now. ipso facto I refuse to believe Rutgers is ever better than anyone. Except that one time they beat Michigan. That was excellent
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Sep 12, 2022 05:37
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There has to be a point where theoretical recruiting area doesn't mean poo poo when east coast schools are recruiting from the middle of the pacific ocean.
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Sep 12, 2022 05:37
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Yeah, like Ohio State's star offensive players are from California, Virginia, Texas, Pennsylvania, and Washington.
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regulargonzalez posted:Thank you for an actual answer vs "they're bad because they suck", begging-the-question nonsense. nebraska isn't as fertile of a recruiting territory as iowa or wisconsin and has to compete with places like those and ohio state that have experienced more recent success the real edge nebraska had was an in-state pipeline of players who came from high schools running the same offense to couple with its access to talent from texas from its big 8/12 association along with a superior s&c program and closing their eyes real tight at anyone's transcripts. everyone else caught up and nebraska never evolved and lost a bunch of stuff along the way. there are many, many reasons nebraska shouldn't expect or have iowa and wisconsin level success. the population isn't growing fast enough as people are less inclined to have their children play football for cte concerns. nebraska as a brand has been circling the drain since bo pelini left. there's no major media market push for nebraska so they're not going to be featured in primetime. the last notable nfl player to come from nebraska was suh, and that was 12 years ago (and while that may not be reflective of a program's success, it does play a big role in making players want to come there). lincoln is not a destination city as others have mentioned so it's hard to recruit young black people there unless you already have a successful program going (ala oregon or alabama). basically nebraska would have to reinvent itself and then once it started experiencing success it could start building its way back toward respectability, but how does that even happen? who do you hire?
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nebraska is in fact bad because it sucks
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whos that broooown posted:Like obviously recruiting territory is an important factor. But you can succeed without being in a recruiting hotbed. Ffs Utah has two teams in the top 15. BYU has extremely specific features that both help them and cap them.
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Henchman of Santa posted:BYU has extremely specific features that both help them and cap them. and Utah?
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Dude having a Nebraska meltdown: "Nebraska fans don't have high expectations for the program you fool! You ignorant buffoon!" Same dude: "There is no reason Nebraska shouldn't be competing for the division lead every season."
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LeeMajors posted:TAMU spending infinite money on their coach and recruits only to never win the west is hilarious. Arky also hired Kendall Briles as OC which makes it really hard to root for them as the underdog.
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Pelini going 9-4 every year didn't mean anything because the 9 were against 4 OOC patsies and 5 dregs of the B12/B1G, and the 4 were against the actual good teams plus give or take eating poo poo in the conference championship, and then losing whatever consolation bowl they were invited to.
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Laterite posted:Pelini going 9-4 every year didn't mean anything because the 9 were against 4 OOC patsies and 5 dregs of the B12/B1G, and the 4 were against the actual good teams plus give or take eating poo poo in the conference championship, and then losing whatever consolation bowl they were invited to. You’re right, winning 9 games a year is basically the same as opening the season with losses to Northwestern and Georgia Southern.
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Laterite posted:Pelini going 9-4 every year didn't mean anything because the 9 were against 4 OOC patsies and 5 dregs of the B12/B1G, and the 4 were against the actual good teams plus give or take eating poo poo in the conference championship, and then losing whatever consolation bowl they were invited to. That's what 9-4 means, my dude. That's your team working as intended.
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Sep 12, 2022 09:54
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Well, was. You're much worse now, lol. Great job!
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Share your stories about your team's 4 losses right here.
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Sep 12, 2022 10:02
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Gonna be a lot of options for Matt Rhule next season.
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A former coworker of mine who’s a lifelong Husker and still calls Osborn “Doctor Tom” is convinced they have a legit shot at Campbell or Mark Stoops. I simply would have kept Solich.
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It's very funny that they did it but I don't think firing Pelini was necessarily the wrong decision for Nebraska given what happened after that with his career. Which now appears to be over maybe? He did have one FCS championship game run at Youngstown State but that came after finishing third in the MVC and getting hot at the right time, then a whole lot of not much. 18-22 conference record overall there. And then he went to LSU and yeah...remember the Bo Pelini defense at LSU? That was rough. They made 2020 Mississippi State who couldn't reliably block a two man rush look amazing. Nebraska's problem with Bo specifically is more making every single wrong decision after that to me, and whew did they go all in on that job.
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whos that broooown posted:Share your stories about your team's 4 losses right here. Texas A&M, Alabama, South Carolina, Vanderbilt 
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https://twitter.com/barstoolsports/status/1569153534335111172?t=NqeE-Tui7ro4h5E2zYndag&s=19
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can't even pronounce Appalachia smdh
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Always entertaining to see people’s first exposure to midnight yell. This isn’t a new thing. Yeah their jokes suck but I’d look like a fool for the networking opportunity the yell leaders get.
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I can't tell anyone exactly what's wrong with Nebraska, but they have definitely made some terrible decisions over the last 20 years and it all started with firing Frank Solich. I don't think Nebraska quite had realized that college ball was shifting nationally away from regional dynamics. Their brand alone wasn't carrying them anymore. They fire a winning coach because he wasn't winning enough. Then they get Bo Pelini, who has just a slightly worse record than Solich did, and he gets fired for pretty much the same reasons, winning, but not enough. If that isn't a sign to most potential coaches to stay away, I don't know what is. Maybe Nebraska has toned down their expectations a little, but I doubt it. The combo of running through coaches, and then switching to a new conference that also means abandoning a lot of old recruiting grounds and trying to form new ones is pretty tough to overcome. I actually thought the Frost hire was a good one, but maybe he was always a bad coach who just out recruited at UCF, which overshadowed his coaching ability. Nebraska probably needs to realize that the next coach needs to be given at least 4 years before they get fired. Otherwise, they're going to be fighting for second-tier candidates because the top-tier ones know it's either conference champ or bust, and that is a tall order at NU. As for Matt Campbell, I really doubt he takes the NU job. It would be more money with more resources, but way higher expectations and less loyalty. I think he's holding out for a higher profile gig than Nebraska considering all the other openings he was rumored for and never took.
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Sash! posted:The incredibly important part is that Nebraska isn't in the same demographic canoe as Iowa, Wisconsin, Purdue, and Minnesota. Iowa is only about a third larger than Nebraska, but the others are like three times the size. Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Indiana all have cities with populations greater than all of Nebraska. I think you have to include Notre Dame in that list because they are a factor in recruiting for any kid in Indiana and Illinois. Eifert and Kmet were both Purdue legacies that went to ND and those are just the recent examples that piss me off the most. EDIT: https://twitter.com/LikeAHawkStar/status/1569049944157462528 wernox fucked around with this message at 12:46 on Sep 12, 2022 |
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The only thing I'd add is we have recruited on-par with those 9-4 teams, at least in terms of class ratings. That is what the talking heads say, anyways.killer crane posted:I love this era of Nebraska football, because it's the real point the wheels came off. Callahan was hired to modernize the program, instead of relying on Osborne's increasingly irrelevant old playbook. Callahan wanted Nebraska to run an aerial, hurry up offense, and would talk about how college football wasn't stuck in the 90s, and Nebraska shouldn't be either. Some old crusty rear end boosters complained so hard they got Osborne involved to fire him. And within a couple years that same offense structure was winning the national championship. Whoah yeah you are so right. I think there is a lot of merit to posters ITT saying we think we're better than we are. I'd agree 100%, especially on administration and booster level. Because.... Declan MacManus posted:basically nebraska would have to reinvent itself. If I'm reverse-rationalizing my theory like a good football fan, this would require self-reflection on the part of boosters, admins and the university itself. Fans will show up and celebrate/deride the program regardless. I think there's too much power brokering among the Husker football product for any real change to be had there. Maybe Trev can play hardball or woo some people over to change. The other problem is much of the university can't self-reflect enough to do something modern or rational like give employees remote work. Reason being admin is so beholden to "being an in-person institution." Nevermind that any other University with remote work is also in-person! Sure, athletics are separate, but we're stuck in many other regards. It's a tough problem for all the aforementioned reasons. There's no reason its unsolvable per se, but if this many losing seasons in a row doesn't wake people up, they may never wake up.
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