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Trying to clean up my mana and sticking with pure Boros... Archangel can only do half a Warleader's Helix now, but on the other hand, Serra Paragon is pretty good... all the Spirited Companions that blocked early game come back as cantrips later, also I can get back any Spirit Realms that might have been destroyed And speaking of Invoke Despair... it was actually pretty useful recently that Companion counts as an enchantment lol, another layer of protection over this enchantment-heavy deck
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Here's my weird hosed up artisan Skyturtle Repo deck after a lot of tweaking. Went to 3 each of the signature cards after losing games where I drew too many early. More Xander's Wakes is probably right but I didn't want to craft more. The sac lands are great for letting Skyturtle/kicked Repo/Eccentric Farmer get lands. And I probably like the creature toolbox thing too much. Life of Toshiro Umezawa is probably my favorite weird permanent to pick up off a kicked Repo; the creature form gives you mana to cast more Repos! Deck 3 Urborg Repossession (DMU) 114 3 Colossal Skyturtle (NEO) 216 4 Forest (GRN) 264 2 Tear Asunder (DMU) 183 1 Diregraf Scavenger (VOW) 105 4 Fell Stinger (VOW) 112 4 Jewel Thief (SNC) 151 1 Island (RNA) 261 2 Waterfront District (SNC) 259 4 Jungle Hollow (M21) 247 1 Night Clubber (SNC) 89 1 Cleanup Crew (SNC) 141 1 Eccentric Farmer (MID) 185 1 Gravelighter (NEO) 98 1 Outland Liberator (MID) 190 2 Infernal Grasp (MID) 107 1 Riveteers Overlook (SNC) 255 4 Evolving Wilds (M20) 246 2 Thornwood Falls (NEO) 279 2 Xander's Wake (Y22) 9 2 Choking Miasma (DMU) 86 3 Cut Down (DMU) 89 6 Swamp (RNA) 262 1 Life of Toshiro Umezawa (NEO) 108 1 Circuit Mender (NEO) 242 1 Cast Down (HBG) 148 1 Deathbloom Gardener (DMU) 159 1 A-Hobbling Zombie (MID) 106
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reignonyourparade posted:Alright I've been playing through this and honestly have to ask: what is sunset revelry supposed to be doing here? I don't think there's been a single time i've actually wanted to cast it, but since it's in the list i'm assuming i'm piloting the thing wrong. Against aggressive decks, it's gain 4 life and make 2 dudes, which is great. Against slow decks, just treat it like it has Cycling 1W.
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Any help with this draft deck? There are quite a few considerations I'm unsure about https://sealeddeck.tech/gC5q5geCzp
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fridge corn posted:Any help with this draft deck? There are quite a few considerations I'm unsure about https://sealeddeck.tech/VbigOMphJu Lighter on the white splash, the swarm to bring the curve down and allow you to survive longer, the worst wall out, Prophecy over Braids (which I think is not very good)
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https://www.17lands.com/draft/7cf563e09a044024ad3f6dc7ddd6d27f Curious about a review of this draft. Felt like a tough one, not sure if I missed something else that was a better path to take. Ended up going 3-0 with it, but it seemed like a good one to go back and review for different picks Kashuno fucked around with this message at 13:21 on Sep 14, 2022 |
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Simply Simon posted:Yeah it's a bit awkward, especially the curve. I would go with sth like this: Cool, I like what you've done with it. Feels weird to leave Take Up the Shield out tho, like leaving the house without your phone or something lol
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fridge corn posted:Cool, I like what you've done with it. Feels weird to leave Take Up the Shield out tho, like leaving the house without your phone or something lol
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Shooting Blanks posted:This. Anyone have an easy Artisan list already put together? I haven't been playing much since DMU came out, not sure about the format yet. Dailies forbade me doing Balmor, so I did Anvil and honestly it basically builds itself. Deck 4 Oni-Cult Anvil (NEO) 230 7 Mountain (HBG) 304 5 Swamp (HBG) 300 4 Bloodtithe Harvester (VOW) 232 4 Geothermal Bog (DMU) 247 4 Tramway Station (SNC) 258 4 Cut Down (DMU) 89 4 Play with Fire (MID) 154 4 Reinforced Ronin (NEO) 158 4 Voldaren Epicure (VOW) 182 4 Experimental Synthesizer (NEO) 138 4 Kalain, Reclusive Painter (AFR) 225 4 Iron Apprentice (NEO) 248 4 Patchwork Automaton (NEO) 254
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for anyone just wanting to faceroll the Artisan event, here's a quick and dirty burn list that has just plowed through seven people in a row without stopping(except the Wall player who roped every turn out of spite) Deck 4 Flame-Blessed Bolt (VOW) 158 18 Mountain (HBG) 304 4 Play with Fire (MID) 154 4 Shock (STA) 44 4 Lightning Strike (JMP) 152 4 Call In a Professional (SNC) 103 4 Moonrager's Slash (MID) 148 4 Kumano Faces Kakkazan (NEO) 152 4 Phoenix Chick (DMU) 140 4 Voldaren Epicure (VOW) 182 4 Electrostatic Infantry (DMU) 122 2 Smash to Dust (DMU) 144 the phoenix chicks do a ton of legwork especially alongside kumano, and generally you can just shoot the opponent in the face by the time they've set anything up to finish them off. the smash to dusts are for the fairly prevalent wall players, if they get a bunch of walls down and drop the chaplain it'll spawn like half a dozen birds which you can either mass gib with smash to dust or kill the chaplain with it. edit: and anvil decks of course electrostatic infantry is also of course just an absurd card Captain Invictus fucked around with this message at 14:50 on Sep 14, 2022 |
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i wish this midweek event was another one of those "play any card" style ones. not only would it make more sense as a teaser to get people interested in alchemy, i also just dont want to have to bother crafting cards and brewing a deck is a pain in the dick lol
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Kashuno posted:https://www.17lands.com/draft/7cf563e09a044024ad3f6dc7ddd6d27f  P1P5: would have been Skyrider for me, it's Uncommon so you'll see it less often, Strike Teams are great but I've seen them go late, and if you don't end up playing red, a 3 mana 2/2 flying flash is absolutely reasonable, but you won't splash red for the strike team I don't think P1P7: tough one, I'm personally not a fan of the Griffin but there's not much else there. I think in your case I might have taken the Tributary because blue seems reasonably open, the Infantry rules with U as second color, and maybe the land is useful for kicker/domain/splash. In my case (Lagomos > Infantry), probably actually the Protector, yeah P1P8: I don't see you in green at all, take Shadow Prophecy P1P9: same here, don't know why the Rootwalla was your pivot argument. I'd have tried the Librarian there, lots of people have reported it being great to fix shaky hands and manabases P1P10: absolutely if you're going into Domain, possibly for my path as well, Vivisector can always be gotten at some point P1P11: interesting. I'm a fan of the abom but it might be actual garbage. I think the format just doesn't reward pure aggression much. I might have tried Thrill here which seems good, but I have never seen it picked high or talked about, so...for the Infantry it's great however P2P1: lucky you! I'd splash for that too, also there's nothing at all in the pack otherwise P2P4: without the green cards, it's Cavalier here for an aggressive go-wide RWb deck P2P5: I don't know how you could possibly take the Strike Team over Missionary, which is good even in an aggressive deck. Personally, I'd actually take Braids because I like to have fun, if I get more token makers she's gonna be hilarious, also maybe I'll put an artifact or two in later, AND I want the rare P2P6: Phalanx can be insane with enough creatures (consider that I'd have taken the Cavalier for excellent curving), Hurler is also a strong consideration because I currently have no five drop and am aiming to get more fodder makers. Also consider the pairing with Lagomos P2P7: I'd take that here now, of course. Again, people don't value them super highly (possibly also because Red is considered "eh" at most), so you don't need to pick them up so early imo P2P8: Faithbonder sucks (maybe less if you Enlist a strike team but ughhh), it's the land for me P2P9: Thrall, easily, considering the sac direction I'm going P2P11: Yotia to pair with Braids P3P1: Hell yeah Karn + Yotia + Braids core P3P3: land for me P3P4: Phalanx now if I didn't get it before and I think I'd take the second too. You should have taken the Brawler! P3P5: best choice for you, nothing here for me. Raredraft P3P7: don't see my choices in front of me, not too much black tho I'm p sure, so Herbalist over Rager is probably correct for both of us P3P8: Sleeper for me because I already have a Prophecy, maybe also better for you? I don't see you playing B at this point, just splashing, and Prophecy is not a great splash P3P10: I see you're out of Domain and green again, I still don't like Faithbonder. Possibly Librarian if you didn't take it before, otherwise...yeah take faithbonder whatever Congrats on the victory!
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hmm this seems spicy https://twitter.com/CBotelhoMagic/status/1569958005286010880
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Simply Simon posted:<draft review> Thanks for going so deep on that! I struggled over that p1p3 pick for a while, and definitely think if I had gone Lagamos I would've had a lot better direction for the rest of the draft.
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precision posted:free gold in the shop today I love goooold! Also it's funny that alchemy artisan lets you use cards that can pull rares from outside your deck (draft from spell book)
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Whooping Crabs posted:Also it's funny that alchemy artisan lets you use cards that can pull rares from outside your deck (draft from spell book) Yeah funny. I think all my games were against WB spell book with imperial recovery unit as recursion. such a slog to fight through.
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For MWM I yet again built monored because it's all I know Deck 4 Kumano Faces Kakkazan (NEO) 152 21 Mountain (HBG) 304 4 Play with Fire (MID) 154 4 Rabbit Battery (NEO) 157 4 Reinforced Ronin (NEO) 158 4 Battle Cry Goblin (AFR) 132 4 Kami's Flare (NEO) 150 4 Patchwork Automaton (NEO) 254 4 Ancestral Anger (VOW) 142 3 Experimental Synthesizer (NEO) 138 2 Hobgoblin Captain (AFR) 148 2 Shock (ANB) 84 It's 12-2 so far out of all the games I actually managed to record. I have no lightning strikes because I haven't drafted yet and didn't feel like crafting them. I looked at the stuff above 2 cmc and they just seem to sort of suck without the rares, so I just have a bunch of card draw instead (and a manadump with the goblin). It doesn't do as well facing off against alchemy cards like Xander's Wake, but with so many people trying to play with bad manabases just casting a ronin or two every turn will kill people dead.
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MasterBuilder posted:Yeah funny. I think all my games were against WB spell book with imperial recovery unit as recursion. such a slog to fight through. Just had one of these guys try to rope me out when I played my second Xander's Wake lol
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Repeat after me: greed is good. Shocked at how good the druid and farmer work out to be, tbh. It's usually like drawing 2-3 cards in addition to the body. The mana is also quite reliable as long as you pay attention to your fetches. Four color Artisan is a hell of a drug. Corbeau fucked around with this message at 23:33 on Sep 14, 2022 |
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I did the anvil sac deck for the event and went 5-1. The loss was a turn 2 concede to a flipped delver + curiosity + a revealed shore up in hand
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I was only playing Brawl during that Alchemy set so I dropped down to Gold in ranked. I just grabbed my Minion of the Mighty deck I posted recently (hit "?" below my username to find post) and went from Gold 4 all the way back up to Mythic in a week worth of doing the 15 daily games, no extra grinding: Literally never doesn't get me into Mythic Historic. I'll bulldoze WotC if they ever ban anything in this.
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I thought going up to 4 Elspeths may have been too much... No, it's a pretty good number The current version:  I thought that cutting out black lands would prevent me from going full Warleader's Helix but I forgot how many treasures I can make lol Edit:  
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Zero VGS posted:I was only playing Brawl during that Alchemy set so I dropped down to Gold in ranked. I just grabbed my Minion of the Mighty deck I posted recently (hit "?" below my username to find post) and went from Gold 4 all the way back up to Mythic in a week worth of doing the 15 daily games, no extra grinding: just went back and looked at it and lmao that looks fun as hell, whats the play? get a minion of the mighty, scale up, and a dragon and scale up the minion turn 2? or is there more to it im not seeing
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Simply Simon posted:It's great but it's not a card I want to splash for. If you want to include it, feel free of course, but when splashing unless you have, like, five duals that just give you the colors for free, I always think "okay I might not have this color before turn five, or turn seven even, is it still worth". It CAN be, but that's also a bit dependent on your playstyle re: tricks etc. and the deck, and idk about this one needing it to set up a crucial 2-for-1 or giving you life back you really need or whatever. I could be wrong! 3-1 so far. Deck is tons of fun.   I've played so many different kinds of decks in this format and they've all been super fun and capable. This an absolute GOAT format without a doubt.
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Also what is with the auto lands this format giving HBG lands instead of DMU lands? Am I the only one who goes in and manually swaps out the lands for DMU lands for their draft decks?
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quite stretched out posted:just went back and looked at it and lmao that looks fun as hell, whats the play? get a minion of the mighty, scale up, and a dragon and scale up the minion turn 2? or is there more to it im not seeing The trick to winning is a combination of smart mulligans, and sussing out whether or not your opponent is capable of disrupting you in first couple turns (if I'm on the play, I've even used the opponent's Avatar and card cover as a hint, they tend to be "honest" more often than not, like Nissa + Nissa Card Cover is probably an elf deck, so just race them). If I have the combo in hand and I see the opponent drop a White or Green land I go full speed ahead because Portable Hole or Blizzard Brawl isn't particularly common in those colors. If I see the opponent is clearly playing control, I'll also try to avoid tipping my hand by Faithless Looting a dragon into my graveyard so they can notice what my deck is. You want to mulligan just about every hand without Minion. I mulled to 2 and won several times if I can just get Minion, Dual Land, Scale Up, Dragon. On rare occasion I've used the force and decided to dig for Minion if I have several Faithless Looting and scry lands and I've already taken a couple mulls, but that's a risk. You also need to pay special attention to whether or not you have Reckless Charge. That card gives Haste, so it enables you to hold Minion in your hand until you have 3 lands open, wait for the opponent to tap out, and slam out a Hasted Minion with Reckless and any other pump spell. That's often the correct route if you see the opponent do something like turn 1 Soul-Scar Mage, or if you're going first and you don't have the cards in hand for a turn 2 combo. You can also use either a second Minion, or Wild Shape, to bait out removal. There's only 3 named dragons in my version. If you know the opponent doesn't have mana for an instant-speed removal/bounce, you can use the red dragon (Terror of Mount Velus) to kill them on the spot from double-strike (22 damage on turn 2, good to know because even life-gain can't really get past 22 by then). If you combo with the green dragon, you'll usually net 13 treasure tokens. You can use these to flash out the gold dragon at the end of opponent's turn, dig for threats with Faithless Looting, protect your board with Wild Shape, or hardcast more dragons in later turns if the opponent wipes the board somehow. If you combo with the gold dragon (Chromium, the Mutable), he can become a 1/1 hexproof+unblockable at instant speed by discarding a card. You can protect him from targeted removal with this, and in a pinch you can intentionally make him that way on your turn then use a pump spell (if the opponent has flying chumps you want to sneak by to finish them). As mentioned previously, you can flash him in, and he's uncounterable. I've slammed him that way on the opponent's turn after they've used a Wrath or Murder on the green dragon. You're right though, it really is fun. There's a lot of subtle interactions/mistakes and mind-games that can make or break a match (I would have won a match today against an active Tef5ri who countered my bait spells, but I didn't notice one of my lands was red-only and I sequenced wrong), and the average match time is like 60 seconds so it feels like you're playing Turbo Magic. I absolutely scream up the ranks to Mythic every season though. If you don't have all the wildcards, Stomping Ground and Karpulsan Forest are by far the most important (and are best-in-slot in literally every Gruul deck). Dragons can be subbed for others like the D20 dragons, but I've found that trio to be the best, and 12 dragons total seems to be the magic number. edit: one last thing. Sometimes I've won 8 games in a row with this deck, or lost 7 games in a row. Sometimes I've mulled down to 0 and conceded for 3 games in a row. Sometimes I'm tantalizingly close to instantly winning and the opponent has the exact answer ready. You need to be salt-resistant to pilot this deck because it feels like a glorified slot machine. Zero VGS fucked around with this message at 09:29 on Sep 15, 2022 |
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I wanted to play some more artisan this morning: 4-0 with my defender deck, all against monored.
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Zero VGS posted:The trick to winning is a combination of smart mulligans, and sussing out whether or not your opponent is capable of disrupting you in first couple turns (if I'm on the play, I've even used the opponent's Avatar and card cover as a hint, they tend to be "honest" more often than not, like Nissa + Nissa Card Cover is probably an elf deck, so just race them). If I have the combo in hand and I see the opponent drop a White or Green land I go full speed ahead because Portable Hole or Blizzard Brawl isn't particularly common in those colors. If I see the opponent is clearly playing control, I'll also try to avoid tipping my hand by Faithless Looting a dragon into my graveyard so they can notice what my deck is. Earthquake Dragon is an interesting addition. Another key thing I found having run it for a while is that the 7 power or more is really key. Without lifegain, you then only need one more attack from your dragon, to finish the opponent. Smaller dragons with more flashy effects (Terror of Mount Velus excepted) don't cut it because you swing turn 2, get them to like... 9... then you have to hit twice more for it to work, and unless your dragon is 6 power, you can't cheat in another one. ANd you're probably already out of pump spells. This deck walks an absolute razor's edge of efficiency and it wins or loses on mulls. I found running it for a few weeks on 4 wins wasn't enough to get out of plat, but it's got a 50% plus winrate, so it gets you there eventually, but it can be quite streaky and frustrating in short runs. 3 or 4 matches in a row where you mull to 0 before seeing a Minion gets kinda frustrating. The colours have got SO much more forgiving now with the painlands being back, though. Doing turn 1 minion into opposing tapland on the play followed by turn 2 6 power pump, terror, win before they literally do anything is amazing thoguh. thespaceinvader fucked around with this message at 15:15 on Sep 15, 2022 |
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Pocky In My Pocket posted:I've been curious for a while, how does duplomancy combo with Jin Gitaxis? It doesn't, copies aren't cast.
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wait, is your default Explorer rank always the same as your Standard rank??? because lmao if so. that would explain a lot
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Zero VGS posted:The trick to winning is a combination of smart mulligans, and sussing out whether or not your opponent is capable of disrupting you in first couple turns (if I'm on the play, I've even used the opponent's Avatar and card cover as a hint, they tend to be "honest" more often than not, like Nissa + Nissa Card Cover is probably an elf deck, so just race them). If I have the combo in hand and I see the opponent drop a White or Green land I go full speed ahead because Portable Hole or Blizzard Brawl isn't particularly common in those colors. If I see the opponent is clearly playing control, I'll also try to avoid tipping my hand by Faithless Looting a dragon into my graveyard so they can notice what my deck is. thank you for the big write up! i subbed out the dragons for various (ancient copper, ancient bronze, earthquake) ones that i had copies of cos i knew i would enjoy the deck but wanted to scrimp on wildcards if possible and its fuckin fun! even managed to survive someone taking out my first minion in my first game playing it and come back with a massive earthquake dragon off treasure tokens definitely a fun deck id recommend people try
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precision posted:wait, is your default Explorer rank always the same as your Standard rank??? because lmao if so. that would explain a lot yes you have one constructed rank and one limited rank
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thespaceinvader posted:What's the go-to stat/stats for comparing card values on 17L? Is it Improvement When Drawn? Game in Hand win rate (GIH)
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MrL_JaKiri posted:It doesn't, copies aren't cast. Dang
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palamedes posted:Here's my weird hosed up artisan Skyturtle Repo deck after a lot of tweaking. Went to 3 each of the signature cards after losing games where I drew too many early. More Xander's Wakes is probably right but I didn't want to craft more. The sac lands are great for letting Skyturtle/kicked Repo/Eccentric Farmer get lands. And I probably like the creature toolbox thing too much. Life of Toshiro Umezawa is probably my favorite weird permanent to pick up off a kicked Repo; the creature form gives you mana to cast more Repos! This was great, I kept going in the event each day because of how much I was enjoying myself. Only lost once to a burn deck, and going back that was just because I misspent my removal. Probably going to try to upshift this to my first standard deck post-rotation. Going to go hunting through Golgari brews online for ideas now; does anyone have anything BG-ish they're running now or would recommend?
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