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Taear posted:Because Isildur being there as the rings were forged is weird. It makes it less sweeping and dramatic if it all happened within say 200 years. A story that spanned 1822 to today would be far too small scale and mundane to capture the true grandeur of Tolkien's notes, but I'm afraid it is an unfortunate concession to people who want their stories to actually be about characters, rather than abstract historical epochs.
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Elentor posted:Reading it and it's great but Ungoliant is not a fallen Valar, she is one of the primordial entities that were born with Ea "or before". Tolkien talks about them like Old Gods even, they're creatures that were not understood by the Valar and iirc in a letter it's talked about that they didn't understand even if they were part of the plan or a residue of the song in the universe. The tunnels deep beneath Moria were made by such entities. If you translated all this into Lovecraft, Morgoth is something like Hastur or Cthulhu. Ungoliant is something like Shub-Niggurath or Yog-Sothoth - basically maybe an order of magnitude or so more powerful.
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Everyone posted:If you translated all this into Lovecraft, Morgoth is something like Hastur or Cthulhu. Ungoliant is something like Shub-Niggurath or Yog-Sothoth - basically maybe an order of magnitude or so more powerful. Ah yes very clear.
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Everyone posted:If you translated all this into Lovecraft, Morgoth is something like Hastur or Cthulhu. Ungoliant is something like Shub-Niggurath or Yog-Sothoth - basically maybe an order of magnitude or so more powerful. If you translated this into pasta, which would be the ‘flat spaghetti’ one and which the little bow tie things?
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PostNouveau posted:I'm gonna assume they were first drafts of the Valar that Ilúvatar didn't like to tell anyone about. Eru's early stoner and death metal phase.
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Torquemada posted:If you translated this into pasta, which would be the ‘flat spaghetti’ one and which the little bow tie things? cthulhu is a lil bowtie thing
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GOT 'IM!
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Durin's Bane (and the fall of Moria) doesn't happen until _well_ into the Third Age (TA 1980), so I don't see them being able to portray that in this series.
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alcaras posted:Durin's Bane (and the fall of Moria) doesn't happen until _well_ into the Third Age (TA 1980), so I don't see them being able to portray that in this series. As much as I am 100% confident that they're going to compress the fall of Khazad-dûm into the timeline of this show, it would be hilarious if they gave us five seasons of hints and teases that the Balrog was about to show up and them never actually got to the proverbial fireworks factory.
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Unless they release the contract between the tolkien estate and amazon showing ironclad veto power, i'm not convinced that amazon couldn't get away with a push for a few "big moments" to connect the show to the movies that are non-canonical. Even if the veto power is absolute, who's to say that amazon couldn't negotiate around such a stipulation (more $$) or legal their way out of a veto if they really want a baby gandalf or a 2nd age moria downfall? With Christopher Tolkien passed on, it's almost inevitable that the estate will shift into money making mode as it needs to support more and more descendants (or corporate stakeholder interests) who might be more willing to put creature comforts above lore purity. It's not guaranteed, but it's certainly not impossible.
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Sep 14, 2022 19:33
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Ungoliant can't be that strong, her daughter lost in single combat to Samwise Gamgee.
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My stupid little not-thought-out-at-all pet theory is that the Harfoots that fell behind the caravan drove their carts of the route and settled where they got stuck thus creating the first proto-Hobbit-Hill-houses.
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GimpInBlack posted:As much as I am 100% confident that they're going to compress the fall of Khazad-dûm into the timeline of this show, it would be hilarious if they gave us five seasons of hints and teases that the Balrog was about to show up and them never actually got to the proverbial fireworks factory. five seasons of "hey should we keep delving so greedily and so deep?" "it's fine, what's the worst that could happen?"
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I'll allow it if they actually dig through some of those cool sounding cosmic horror elder god tunnels on their way to the Balrog.
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Did anyone here pitch the stranger being Tom Bombadil? Just saw some article make a quick case, seems to check the boxes as much as any other theory. Can’t recall when he came to ME and such though.
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MystOpportunity posted:Did anyone here pitch the stranger being Tom Bombadil? Just saw some article make a quick case, seems to check the boxes as much as any other theory. Can’t recall when he came to ME and such though. Pretty sure that feller was almost there from the start. That he got grandfathered in when Yavanna created the Ents and stuff. I might remember it wrong though.
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Is there a timeline/rights issue with them showing a Balrog? I want to see them show a balrog with no wings just to watch the insane meltdown it would generate
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GimpInBlack posted:As much as I am 100% confident that they're going to compress the fall of Khazad-dûm into the timeline of this show, it would be hilarious if they gave us five seasons of hints and teases that the Balrog was about to show up and them never actually got to the proverbial fireworks factory. After years of foreshadowing and winks to the audience: "This mining is going great! I see no reason why Khazad-dum won't thrive for ten thousand years!" *pickaxe hits odd-looking rock* *cut to black, roll credits, end of series*
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pospysyl posted:Ungoliant can't be that strong, her daughter lost in single combat to Samwise Gamgee. Clearly Shelob was the fail-daughter of the brood.
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Everyone posted:Clearly Shelob was the fail-daughter of the brood. The runt of the egg sac.
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Stupid Sexy Shelob.
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bou posted:My stupid little not-thought-out-at-all pet theory is that the Harfoots that fell behind the caravan drove their carts of the route and settled where they got stuck thus creating the first proto-Hobbit-Hill-houses. Some of the wagon wheels look exactly like hobbit house doors, so that would be a cool way to do it. Your Gay Uncle posted:Is there a timeline/rights issue with them showing a Balrog? I want to see them show a balrog with no wings just to watch the insane meltdown it would generate There's a Balrog in the trailer so we know we're seeing *a* Balrog, and I have no idea what other context one would show up other than the dwarves mining too deep. Considering they've already compressed the hell out of the timeline and the last episode was obviously teasing mithril, it seems like the obvious scenario. Technically we don't see any wings in the trailer image though! Grizzled Patriarch fucked around with this message at 22:01 on Sep 14, 2022 |
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Arc Hammer posted:Stupid Sexy Shelob. i will maintain shadow of war ruled and it not being afraid to take some wild rear end interpretations of tolkien owned Grizzled Patriarch posted:There's a Balrog in the trailer so we know we're seeing *a* Balrog, and I have no idea what other context one would show up other than the dwarves mining too deep. Considering they've already compressed the hell out of the timeline and the last episode was obviously teasing mithril, it seems like the obvious scenario. Technically we don't see any wings in the trailer image though! I assumed that since we saw some other evil priest looking character earlier that its possible that they just summon or contact one, like in the aforementioned Shadow of War game. The existence of Durin's Bane implies that it is plausible another one could have hid as well, just somewhere else. WoodrowSkillson fucked around with this message at 22:06 on Sep 14, 2022 |
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Maybe a balrog is just a normal thing that dwarves find sometimes while mining.
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Arc Hammer posted:Stupid Sexy Shelob. Florida Spider Woman
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I'm still baffled by that elf dude dying in 10 seconds only because of a pretty superficial cut on the neck that definitely didn't look like it severed his carotid or spurt any blood. Man this show looks good but it's amateur hour in so many ways. HOTD shits on it hard and it's barely trying. 
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Kawabata posted:I'm still baffled by that elf dude dying in 10 seconds only because of a pretty superficial cut on the neck that definitely didn't look like it severed his carotid or spurt any blood. I think it's the Tolkien purity issue. They want it pretty explicitly non sexy and non gory. You can cut a head off heroically, but you'll never see a gout of blood squirting up. Nobody can be too sexy and no boning ever and certainly no implication anyone shits or farts. Somehow Galadriel despite wearing a uh diaphanous gown that is soaking wet at no point does she appear sexy, aside from being hollywood pretty. Which is oddly contrasted with Halbrand snapping an arm bone on a corner, that's somehow ok because not too much blood. Bodily fluids can only leak, nothing can ever squirt.
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We've seen a beardless dwarf, so I think it's only fair that they'll introduce a bearded elf at some point 
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Kawabata posted:Man this show looks good but it's amateur hour in so many ways. HOTD shits on it hard and it's barely trying. Nah, Rings of Power is doing a hell of a lot more than HOTD. It's vastly more ambitious and much better visually. Whether or not you connect with the characters and plotlines is subjective. I find HOTD much more tedious, it's drab and dour and basically just Succession with worse writing and the odd CGI dragon thrown in. There's a hell of a lot more nitpicking going on with ROP because Tolkien is the sacred cow of fantasy, but the guy who writes game of thrones is essentially just another genre author. On the topic of blood, the warg attack was much more brutal than anything we saw in the films. It seems like an insanely weird nitpick to say it's "amateur hour" because there was no comical blood spurt when someone got their neck cut.
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BoldFace posted:We've seen a beardless dwarf, so I think it's only fair that they'll introduce a bearded elf at some point
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pospysyl posted:Ungoliant can't be that strong, her daughter lost in single combat to Samwise Gamgee. Actually the takeaway is that Samwise is one of the most powerful entities in Middle-Earth.
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BoldFace posted:We've seen a beardless dwarf, so I think it's only fair that they'll introduce a bearded elf at some point
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Here's something that's troubled me many a year: Since Gandalf wasn't sure it was the One Ring, he didn't know for sure that it would be quite cool. He was perfectly fine with burning the poo poo out of frodo's hand
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Yeah we've seen a balrog in one of the trailers and also very blurry balrog in the background of the battle scene in the episode 1 prologue flashback covidstomper58 posted:I do hope they show Cirdan at some point. has been cast for season 2 iirc
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drunkill posted:and also very blurry balrog in the background of the battle scene in the episode 1 prologue flashback Really? Was that in the scene where we see a dragon take down an eagle? I never noticed the balrog.
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which maia do we suspect this is? https://twitter.com/Charles_Lister/status/1570173456234291201
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zoux posted:Here's something that's troubled me many a year: Since Gandalf wasn't sure it was the One Ring, he didn't know for sure that it would be quite cool. He was perfectly fine with burning the poo poo out of frodo's hand Frodo just misunderstood. Gandalf was trying to say that it was sick as gently caress  and fortunately for Frodo it was also at a low enough temperature to not burn him.
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kliras posted:which maia do we suspect this is? Must be Ossë Does anybody have a screenshot of the rune the Stranger made with fireflies, I can't find it Lycosing. covidstomper58 fucked around with this message at 02:56 on Sep 15, 2022 |
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MrMojok posted:Really? Was that in the scene where we see a dragon take down an eagle? I never noticed the balrog. kliras posted:which maia do we suspect this is? Queen Elizabeth II, she was sent back for her job was not yet finished...
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