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The_Doctor posted:From Popbitch: Not to mention the ONLY Doctor under two monarchs.
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Edward Mass posted:Not to mention the ONLY Doctor under two monarchs. Two *so far*. Charles is 72, and october is a month away, so y'know. Its not out the question.
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Sep 8, 2022 19:43
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SiKboy posted:Two *so far*. Charles is 72, and october is a month away, so y'know. Its not out the question. Please, let me watch a new Doctor Who next month. I don't want to wait any longer. 
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Sep 8, 2022 19:53
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Edward Mass posted:Please, let me watch a new Doctor Who next month. I don't want to wait any longer. Same, but monarchs funerals.
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Sep 8, 2022 20:48
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I’m watching this episode of ITV Sunday evening friendly crime series McDonald & Dodds, and it’s got Paul McGann in this episode, doing his Eight voice. At one point, Naoko strolls into his building as a Japanese businesswoman, set to a very 4 beat heavy piece of music, walks right up to McGann and says, as she looks around slightly disappointedly “It’s much smaller on the inside.” Also, Louise Jameson appears in this episode!
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Sep 9, 2022 21:46
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It's a loving weird episode, because how the gently caress is the team principal also a undercover cop?
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Sep 9, 2022 21:49
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Presented without comment: https://youtu.be/t7npEiISxSE
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Astroman posted:Presented without comment: and I thought Minuet in Hell was bad
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Sep 13, 2022 09:21
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Astroman posted:Presented without comment: Even the loving music is on point 
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Sep 13, 2022 09:23
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Astroman posted:Presented without comment: Delightful
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Sep 13, 2022 14:10
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I have low hopes for the next episode but it will be cool to see Ace and Tegan again. The long wait for an episode that's probably not going to be great is a little gruelling.
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Sep 13, 2022 18:53
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The title of the next special is apparently The Power of the Doctor, so look forward to Jodie Whittaker playing a recorder and also now it's just done as a Flash animation for budgetary reasons.
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Sep 15, 2022 02:08
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Rochallor posted:The title of the next special is apparently The Power of the Doctor, so look forward to Jodie Whittaker playing a recorder and also now it's just done as a Flash animation for budgetary reasons. Obvious nod to Troughton and Season 6B, with Jo Martin's Doctor wrapping up her subplot by falling out of the TARDIS in the countryside as Jon Pertwee from Spearhead from Space  Why yes I have been investing heavily in copium, why do you ask?
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Sep 15, 2022 06:51
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Jerusalem posted:Obvious nod to Troughton and Season 6B, with Jo Martin's Doctor wrapping up her subplot by falling out of the TARDIS in the countryside as Jon Pertwee from Spearhead from Space Absolutely this, yes
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Sep 15, 2022 12:47
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Next episode will be great. Because Chris Chibnall will gently caress off.
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Sep 15, 2022 13:34
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Crosspeice posted:Next episode will be great. I started to watch Chibnall's run so I could put it behind me when that special airs. I reached Rosa and the episode is so terrible I had to turn it off. I haven't even reached the episode that made me decide to just stop watching until Chibnall was gone...
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Sep 15, 2022 18:50
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I still haven’t watched the Sea Devils episode
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Sep 15, 2022 20:19
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The_Doctor posted:I still haven’t watched the Sea Devils episode You and about half the Brits who watched season 37.
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Sep 15, 2022 20:22
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The_Doctor posted:I still haven’t watched the Sea Devils episode Things happen. Jodie Whittaker tries insanely hard to mind anything good. The suits hardly function. Credits roll. Can Whittaker at least have a touching regeneration scene, and memorable regeneration speech? She deserves that much. .... ....it's probably going to be her pining over Yaz or the Timeless Child or something, isn't it?
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Sep 15, 2022 21:13
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"I could get answers but there's a new showrunner coming up so it's not going to matter." *yeets watch into a sun where it'll sit for another few series before another showrunner brings it back*
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Sep 15, 2022 21:39
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Crosspeice posted:Next episode will be great. Amen. I wasn't around in this thread when it was announced he'd be the new showrunner, but I'd imagine a few people in here predicted how his run would be in every way, based on prior form alone.
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Crapilicious posted:Amen. I wasn't around in this thread when it was announced he'd be the new showrunner, but I'd imagine a few people in here predicted how his run would be in every way, based on prior form alone. I convinced myself that because he wasn't going to be trying to ape the writing styles of RTD and Moffat like he did when they were showrunners, which had resulted in episodes that were okay at best and pretty awful at worst, we'd get more of the quality he presented in Broadchurch season 1. Turns out Broadchurch season 1 was the aberration 
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Sep 16, 2022 08:19
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I was really rooting for Chibnall and writers and tried to see past the clunky dialogue and the questionable story choices because it wasn't all bad! The most cinematic looking doctor who we've ever had on a visual stand point. The music was great and Jodie gave it her all. But the global warming episode was the one that really broke me. It was just so bad. Confusedslight fucked around with this message at 09:08 on Sep 16, 2022 |
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Sep 16, 2022 09:06
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Someone in this thread pointed out early how reliant they were on the doctor pulling a face followed by an exposition dump to move things along and that was the moment that broke me. It happens all the goddamn time.
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Sep 16, 2022 10:12
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I was worried by announcement, but also went, "I have to give them a fair shake. Showrunner is a bit different from scriptwriter and maybe Chibnall will be good at that."
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Sep 16, 2022 11:47
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I was expecting him to at least get things back on track for one season a year, but noooo
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Sep 16, 2022 11:53
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He's so loving basic. Everything Chibnall has ever done -- and I'm including Broadchurch here -- is just hugely derivative of something else, and shows no real opinion on anything. Man peaked with his "Doctor Who never poops or farts" letter to Doctor Who Magazine.
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Confusedslight posted:I was really rooting for Chibnall and writers and tried to see past the clunky dialogue and the questionable story choices because it wasn't all bad! The most cinematic looking doctor who we've ever had on a visual stand point. The music was great and Jodie gave it her all. I straight-up do not remember the global warming episode, and that might be for the best. I might've been one of the people that were more optimistic for longer, perhaps because I'm someone that generally gives a lot of points for concept even if the execution is bad, and if there was anything Chibnall was good at, it was squandering good concepts. Even I just eventually got tired of it, though, to the point where the weird time of year for Flux knocked me off the 'watch as soon as possible' horse and onto the 'when I get around to it' footpath.
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The bit that has thrown me the most about this era of the show is that it's not... clever. The Doctor isn't clever, a lot of the concepts in the show aren't clever (although I have a soft spot for the whole image of a universe that's a frog on a chair), the plots aren't clever, the dialogue isn't clever, the character ineractions and motivations aren't clever, and, crucially, the resolution of the episodes are not clever. I initially thought it might have been skewing toward a younger audience due to that, but now I'm not sure. I accept that maybe you want to take the show in a new direction from that set by RTD and Moffat, but it's just weird to have a high-concept SF show with a character established as succeeding through intelligence and wits sort of bumble around for the episode, and then just randomly make some declaration that a random course of action will solve everything. Quite a few of the episodes start off interestingly (oh no, the Doctor and the companions are stuck in a time loop with a Dalek who kills them before it's reset, how do they work out the mechanism of this process to master it and escape!?) but it then slowly becomes clear that the writer doesn't know how to best explore this in an interesting way. Or possibly that if they are skewing younger they choose not to explore it at all? I do wonder if Chibnall is also a much weaker script editor than either RTD or Moffat, which means scripts that might have succeeded under them don't turn out quite as well in this era. Coward fucked around with this message at 13:19 on Sep 16, 2022 |
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In recent years, whenever people would pop into this thread going "Oh boy, a new season/episode of Doctor Who will be on tonight!  ", I was always puzzled because it's Chibnall's Doctor Who, and why on Earth would anyone be excited for that?
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Coward posted:The bit that has thrown me the most about this era of the show is that it's not... clever. The Doctor isn't clever, a lot of the concepts in the show aren't clever (although I have a soft spot for the whole image of a universe that's a frog on a chair), the plots aren't clever, the dialogue isn't clever, the character ineractions and motivations aren't clever, and, crucially, the resolution of the episodes are not clever. I initially thought it might have been skewing toward a younger audience due to that, but now I'm not sure. I accept that maybe you want to take the show in a new direction from that set by RTD and Moffat, but it's just weird to have a high-concept SF show with a character established as succeeding through intelligence and wits sort of bumble around for the episode, and then just randomly make some declaration that a random course of action will solve everything. The way the show is currently (I say currently, I've watched maybe six episode total after Chibnall's first series) being written it feels way more like a sci-fi flavored police procedural than a show that could do literally anything from week to week. It's hard for me to really describe exactly how it feels, but there's a much greater emphasis on the how than the who or the why. You've got the character who has to talk to the guy, the character that has to get the thing, the character who has to press the button at the right time to flush the Dalek into space (or an alternate dimension I suppose, since killing is wrong!) Roles and sometimes even dialogue are completely interchangeable because all of the characters are practically ciphers who can do anything. Some of the plot logic during the RTD(1) and Moffat eras could be... loopy, but that doesn't matter because Doctor Who has never been about the mechanics of the plot fitting together tightly. Think about how many classic stories center around the reveal that the story is an entirely different story than it first appears to be. The Mutants, The Ribos Operation, Gridlock, The Beast Below... Every single Chibnall story is exactly the story that it first appears to be, except for maybe the one that introduced Jo Martin, and that story later on revealed itself to be incredibly stupid. EDIT: I checked wikipedia to make sure I was getting Jo Martin's name right, decided to click over to the page on the Thirteenth Doctor, and found possibly the best possible encapsulation for the past three series in the comparative length of these two sections: quote:Characterisation Rochallor fucked around with this message at 13:42 on Sep 16, 2022 |
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The_Doctor posted:I still haven’t watched the Sea Devils episode I watched it and I can't remember it
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Lol as far as her first season goes that bit about characterisation is straight up a lie, because there isn't any
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Last night we watched The Time Monster and I think it might be the story with the highest amount of filler in Doctor Who history. There's maybe one episode's worth of plot, and then the story manages to then also only have about one episode of filler, stretched over 6 episodes. The destruction of Atlantis takes about the same amount of time as the Doctor describing a daisy, it's demented
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I’d characterize the Chibnall years as ambitious and mediocre. Maybe half of the episodes have taken a real swing at whatever they were trying to do. The results have only rarely been classics, but this isn’t one of those eras of the program that’s playing it safe and getting the occasional hit or miss while the rest are watchable. The biggest flaw I’d identify is that when the show’s at its most ambitious, it becomes very clear that the showrunner doesn’t actually have anything to say. The number of frankly bonkers-interesting ideas that Chibnall’s squandered is kind of breathtaking. And the number of derivative ideas he’s repurposed to interesting effect and then failed to stick the landing is amazing. I don’t think any other era of the show has managed to make so many provocative story ideas boring. Let’s take the two big accomplishments I’d praise him for: casting two women as the Doctor. Brilliant, great casting choices, and it opens up space for a whole bunch of new stories. Whatcha gonna do now that you’ve cast a woman as the Doctor? It’s like Chibnall did that and that was the big idea: he didn’t really have any ideas, any stories to tell that would emerge from that. I don’t think anyone expects the “Yaz loves the a Doctor” story that’s cropped up here at the end after years of Yaz getting alnost as badly neglected as Peri was is going to have a satisfying conclusion, because it’s shown minimal development and Chibnall seems to think that representation and story only need to be loosely connected. Here’s a list of episodes that conceptually strike me as interesting and ambitious, good ideas whether or not they were executed well: Rosa, The Tsuranga Conundrum, Demons of the Punjab, Kerblam!, The Witchfinders, It Takes You Away, Spyfall, Nikola Tesla’s Night of Terror, Fugitive of the Jadoon, Can You Hear Me?, The Haunting of Villa Diodati, Revolution of the Daleks, the whole Flux concept, Eve of the Daleks, and Legend of the Sea Devils. That’s out of a total of 30 episodes. 50% of the ideas have been bangers. Of those, I’d say maybe 6 episodes mostly landed, and 10 felt like they’d pretty much squandered their fantastic concept in multiple ways. This show has had periods where you’d struggle to find more than 2-3 stories in a season that had any real ideas to them at all! So I’d identify these two central problems of the Chibnall era: firstly, a huge amount of ambition with about a 2 failure per success rate of hit & miss, and secondly, that even when the show is working well episodes just cannot conclude in ways that feel like Doctor Who. The net result is that his era feels deeply unsatisfying. Sure, in the (insert your most hated season here) era, the show reads now like it could go straight to bad B-movie festivals or Mystery Science Theater 3000, but in that period it isn’t trying for much more, and the combination of camp, overacting, bad ideas and bad production values keeps it entertaining in that B-movie kind of way. The Chibnall era, OTOH, feels to me more like the Star Trek movie reboot (or maybe the Star Wars sequel movies): production values are way up, leaving yourself wondering why a bunch of professionals thought that this story was worth their time. Jodie has gotten maybe two moments to compare with Peter Capaldi’s Flatline speech while feeling ineffective a lot because Chibnall is bad at endings. And it’s been disappointing to watch a show squander this much potential. When the classic era went wrong, you could tell yourself that it was silly to expect more and at least aspects of the show were fun. Now, it just feels like a waste.
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I actually think Chinball refocusing on "historicals" is interesting because with some separation from the 60s to the 80s and in fact I think Rosa a decent to good episode (I know I am in the minority in this thought). Also, Demons of Punjab is great because it takes a look at the effects of the Empire and what it did to people and lifted the history of historically oppressed people. Too bad Chinball: 1) got stuck in his own continuity 2) Made the lighting super dark and it just did not work.
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Last night we watched The Time Monster and I think it might be the story with the highest amount of filler in Doctor Who history. There's maybe one episode's worth of plot, and then the story manages to then also only have about one episode of filler, stretched over 6 episodes. That's probably my favorite Three story.
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Is that the one where they flagrantly say the word "coccyx"
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MrL_JaKiri posted:The destruction of Atlantis takes about the same amount of time as the Doctor describing a daisy, it's demented While this is probably true, the daisy scene is pretty iconic ngl.
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OldMemes posted:Things happen. Jodie Whittaker tries insanely hard to mind anything good. The suits hardly function. Credits roll. I'd say most of the revival Doctors if not all of them had some sort of arc that wrapped up with their regeneration and I can't honestly think of what that is for Jodie. Despite her performances from time to time, the actual characterization seemed kind of flat. I still feel like I dunno what her signature trait or (whatever) is.
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