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cheetah7071 posted:neither magnus nor hans has founded a rival chess organization so it's not even up there for recent scandals Yeah, while the recent influx of new people to chess is great and all, hearing levy describe this as the biggest scandal in chess history is king of jarring. Do none of you remember toiletgate??? And then I feel old
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The biggest scandal in chess history was probably the reigning world champion allying with the Nazis and then being assassinated by the Soviets. Hard to top that one.
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does anyone remember that time when a russian grandmaster and former title contender was kicked out of the candidates? seemed like a bigger deal to me but maybe it was too long ago
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cheetah7071 posted:yeah stalemate should be a loss let's overthrow fide Apparently in ye olde English stale also means imitation. Stalemate was considered an imitation win, still a win just a lesser kind of win than a checkmate. At some point that changed to a draw but it used to be a win. Every day we stray further from the chess gods true light.
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fart simpson posted:does anyone remember that time when a russian grandmaster and former title contender was kicked out of the candidates? seemed like a bigger deal to me but maybe it was too long ago Or Fischer accusing (probably correctly) the Soviet players colluding to shut him out of winning the candidates. Or the 1978 world championship between Karpov and Korchnoi. quote:Karpov's team included Dr. Zukhar (a well known hypnotist), while Korchnoi enlisted the help of two American Ananda Marga yoga specialists who had recently been convicted of attempted murder and released on bail. There was more controversy off the board, with histrionics ranging from X-raying of chairs, protests about the flags used on the board, the inevitable hypnotism complaints and the mirror glasses used by Korchnoi. When Karpov's team sent him a blueberry yogurt during a game without any request for one by Karpov, the Korchnoi team protested, claiming it could be some kind of code. Also I'm pretty sure there was a candidates in the cold war era where the Soviet government basically ordered a player to lose by threatening his family. Can't remember which one specifically.
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tanglewood1420 posted:Or Fischer accusing (probably correctly) the Soviet players colluding to shut him out of winning the candidates. He beat Spassky in an upset, and Spassky had lost to Fischer earlier in a very poor performance in 72. That might be wha you're thinking of.
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 mate in 3 with a sexy finish
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okay yeah that's very fun  (edited because I still can't loving remember to use the right square letters for black)Qe7+ Kd3 Bf5+ Kxd5 O-O-O# silvergoose fucked around with this message at 15:04 on Sep 17, 2022 |
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Sep 17, 2022 12:11
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…Qe7+ Kd3 Bf5+ Kxd4 Qc5# I didn’t see the sexy finish. 
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Baronash posted:…Qe7+ Kd3 Bf5+ Kxd4 Qc5# (edited for being wrong) Zwabu fucked around with this message at 14:53 on Sep 17, 2022 |
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Sep 17, 2022 14:51
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(Edited for being late)
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smiling giraffe posted:mate in 3 with a sexy finish nice one, thanks for sharing
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 Black to move and win.
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Brut posted:
it was too hard for me, so i sic'd the computer on it. a hint to help someone else figure it out without the computer: It's easy to find the first move but a little harder to DISCOVER followup.
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Brut posted:
1. Rg2+ If Kh1, 2. Qh2# If Kf1, 2. Rxh2 threatening 3. Rh1+ to 4.Qh3# or 2...f3 3. Qxf3+ Bf2 4. Qxf2# edit: wow I wrote the above completely wrong, fixed If Kxg2, 2. e5 threatening 3. Bh3+ to 4. Rg8# and there are a bunch of things white can do to run around and delay the inevitable, but I'm too dumb to go beyond these variations AnacondaHL fucked around with this message at 16:18 on Sep 18, 2022 |
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AnacondaHL posted:1. Rg2+ I was thinking Qf3, g3, then e5 with the unstoppable threat of mate once the bishop has come to h3. But your way definatly wins too
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only nerds like chess
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fart simpson posted:only nerds like chess 
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was going to post the same thing
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Magnus just resigned against Hans on turn 2. 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 1-0 At this point he really needs to just say what the gently caress is up here. Civilized Fishbot fucked around with this message at 18:28 on Sep 19, 2022 |
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Sep 19, 2022 18:25
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Okay if this 19 year old is just totally in the head of Magnus then gently caress it, I'm on his side now
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Carlsen was the 3:1 favourite for anyone betting on this match. Some bookies are going to be pissed.
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Lol
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Cool. Magnus is still acting like a petulant child.
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If Magnus had handled this more sensibly, at this point public opinion would probably be with him. Instead most people seem to be pro-Hans or at least pro-chaos now. After reading about how prevalent online cheating is, not only from Hans, I'm definitely on team chaos.
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I'm pro-anal beads.
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Redmark posted:If Magnus had handled this more sensibly, at this point public opinion would probably be with him. Instead most people seem to be pro-Hans or at least pro-chaos now. Magnus was fine with playing Hans until Hans beat him in a classical OTB game. Magnus is just acting like a really sore loser.
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Chamale posted:Carlsen was the 3:1 favourite for anyone betting on this match. Some bookies are going to be pissed. New conspiracy theory, Magnus is being blackmailed by the Norwegian mafia to throw his matches.
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magnus' prep for the game had a big "if hans plays c4 I got nothing". This is just more confirmation that his prep was stolen
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Haha, unless the governing bodies are somehow forcing him to sit on something, which isn't really how any of them work as far as I know, he's just being a child. Clear implication is as much of an accusation as an actual statement. It just makes you look like a goober in the process. What does he think the passive aggressive stuff is gaining him? Also, I'm assuming there's a difference between a default win and a resignation in his tournament agreement and that's why he logged in for one move... Unless he wanted maximum drama? T.C. fucked around with this message at 23:10 on Sep 19, 2022 |
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Where does the “Magnus is not a prima Donna” narrative came from when there are many public clips of him having angry meltdowns online?
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T.C. posted:Haha, unless the governing bodies are somehow forcing him to sit on something, which isn't really how any of them work as far as I know, he's just being a child. I think Finegold brought up on his stream that one thing that could change in chess culture is this principle that the worst thing in the world is publicly accusing someone of cheating unless you have cold hard proof.. so like Chess.com can accuse people of cheating and ban them (although they usually don't do that very publicly) because they own all the evidence to back it up. It would be considered improper however for a dude playing in a chess.com event who was later revealed by chess.com to be the victim of an opponent cheating in that event to come out and say that they believed their opponent was cheating because that could ruin the guy's reputation and career and an accusation of that sort would be frowned on by chess culture. The point Ben was making is that you can have a situation where 50 different people all feel like someone is cheating in live OTB chess games and nobody says anything because of chess conventions against accusing people, whereas it may be helpful to have some avenue for open dialogue about the issue and then these issues could be looked at more thoroughly. That being said, I'm not sure that Magnus Carlsen feels bound by chess culture and the unwritten rules of playing chess the way that much less successful players do so I am confused as hell why he doesn't just come out and say what is clearly on his mind.
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In fairness to him, it does seem like his strategy is working. I mean, everyone in chess is all talking about it.
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Magnus is accusing, though. He's just doing it in a super childish way where it's impossible to address it. It's a passive aggressive thing where even if someone calls him on it he gets to pretend he wasn't accusing. But he'll loving wink while he's pretending. He's getting to accuse while trying to avoid all accountability for the thing he's doing. If he doesn't have proof he could still be an adult and say he's refusing to play the guy because he has no proof of anything but thinks something feels off about his game. He could also say something feels off but he's playing to maintain the spirit of the game because he has no proof of anything. Or maybe he has proof that he's not sharing for some wacky reason. After the first game I figured maybe he wasn't saying anything because it was being looked at by officials and he was leaving it to them. But it doesn't seem that way. Edit: also, I don't think there necessarily has to be a culture shift regarding cheating call outs in otb chess. I get the concern with online matches but it seems like it fifty players have suspicion about a player in otb you could reasonably dial up security and there's only so long a person could go without getting caught unless there was crazy inside job poo poo going on. Edit 2: also, really elaborate cheating systems make for great movies and books in the future, so not accusing people regularly helps with making that story better for my future enjoyment if it's what's happening T.C. fucked around with this message at 00:17 on Sep 20, 2022 |
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Magnus Carlson is a pathetic baby.
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I'm firmly on Team Chaos
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Cheating and Fischer Random. Good time to be a chess watcher.
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Magnus has to come out and say something even if it's something as simple as "I don't believe someone when they say they've prepped a position i've never played". Chess.com are also behaving badly by not producing at least some evidence.
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i can understand chess.com not wanting to show “here’s the methodology we used to catch someone cheating” for uhh very obvious reasons
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