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Haystack posted:That actually touches on part of the issue. "Female" as a noun as has a clinical vibe to it. Fully agreeing that men using 'female(s)' as a noun is creepy, dehumanising and weird: While I see plenty of men using that way in the online manosphere (the use for which the  emote was made) , in the real world I've heard it more often from women talking about other women. Usually in a subtly disparaging sense: "I wouldn't want to work in an office that was all females..." or "I'd be mad at my partner if he behaved like that around another female", to quote two examples that stick in the memory. I thought it was odd at the time, and that was getting on for 10 years ago.
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https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0305750X22002169 Turns out capitalism didn't lift people from pre-capitalist poverty, it created poverty where there was none! and the only things that started to reverse that trend were (drum roll) socialism and anti-colonialism! Not news to anyone here, but good to throw in the face of Whiggish Liberal Pinker-brains
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This is another long and solid thread on Leicester by a Guardian journalist. Looks like Hindutva freaks rolling in from outside the city to start poo poo really was a major factor: https://twitter.com/ainajkhan/status/1571636803852967939?s=46&t=Hut9NzNKjcTMl5VgF8q_eA
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OwlFancier posted:They should have demanded a bigger coffin at the funeral IMO.
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And so the Something Awful riots of 2022 were started by posts about the size of balloons.
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Darth Walrus posted:This is another long and solid thread on Leicester by a Guardian journalist. Looks like Hindutva freaks rolling in from outside the city to start poo poo really was a major factor: But the starting flash point is groups of lads who are cosplaying this far right Hindutva poo poo because they have not been told otherwise, and have not learned the life lesson of "sing sectarian chants, win sectarian prizes" (the prizes are all poo poo)
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Remember that time the government segregated and locked down Leicester for well over a year and then did absolutely nothing to redress any of the physiological trauma and breakdown of social norms that this caused? Wonder how the gently caress that’s working out for them now. Oh, right. Darth Walrus posted:This is another long and solid thread on Leicester by a Guardian journalist. Looks like Hindutva freaks rolling in from outside the city to start poo poo really was a major factor:
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It annoys me slightly when people talk about 'community leaders' not doing enough to stop this sort of thing. They're probably doing what they can, but when you've got racist police forces across the UK, it's hard to blame people for going along with "Oi, those Hindus are gonna burn down our mosque, so we need to stop 'em". Plus, we're going into one of the hardest few months most people in the UK will have lived through - cost of living-wise, that is - and people are on edge. It doesn't take much for small things to blow up. Interestingly, the Muslim Street Patrol nonsense from a few years back did stop after the community in Tower Hamlets basically told [indirectly; probably] the lads involved to calm down and shut the gently caress up. Also, gently caress the BJP and their fascist fanboys.
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Sports hooliganism dredging up sectarian conflicts to amp up the stakes isn't really different when non-white people are doing it. The proximate cause here is the cricket. There isn't really a deeper meaning. Good Friday did not make Celtic and Rangers fans hate each other less. It took UK football decades to develop and accept effective processes for suppressing hooliganism, including identifying and tracking serial troublemakers, or forcing clubs to take responsibility for the behaviour of their fans - cricket has not yet done this, but the number of fans will be growing with the South Asian community with whom cricket resonates to a far greater degree; it seems plausible it will do so eventually. British academia went through an entire decades-long cycle debating whether English football hooliganism was 'really' the despairing cry of the working class against capitalist exploitation of their communities, or the reactionary rage of the lumpen working toward capitalist destruction of their communities, or something in between (doubtless due to capitalism). It took the Hillsborough disaster to shift the zeitgeist (by conveniently providing a target - standards, processes, duties of care - that isn't nebulous social classes or cultures of criminality). I suspect there will be less self-indulgent myopia this time around - partly due to previous experience, and partly due to the clinical detachment of distance. That cuts both ways - Hindutva only puts in the barest effort to make itself respectable to Anglophone intellectuals (see e.g., that tweeted street interview). Why would it bother? Its main audience is in India. With that out of the way, the main proceduralization would be having some police office somewhere monitor the cricket calendar so that fan marches and/or sectarian processions (really, what's the difference) can be nipped in the bud. Mayor of Leicester saying that community leaders are 'baffled', well, now we know, so next time they won't be, right?
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I’m at the Acorn / EiE rally in Bristol. I have no idea what to expect or what is going to be said.
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willie_dee posted:I’m at the Acorn / EiE rally in Bristol. I have no idea what to expect or what is going to be said. poo poo I thought that was in a couple of weeks 
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bessantj posted:Nice to see the FT pushing back against Truss and Kwarteng calling the British the worst idlers in the world Like at what point does the country collectively realise that the tories are not 'good with money,' they're just good at inheriting and stealing it. https://twitter.com/AliceAvizandum/status/1571536191647875072?t=eCnAv02QUjPnF50Oo1kjQw&s=19
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Bobby Deluxe posted:It always blows my mind to see the FT push back against tory ideology. Like the tories entire shtick is that they're doing it in the name of the economy, and then the people who are actually pitching their stuff for the rich are saying "no this is poo poo and won't work." I dunno if that is their schtick anymore tbh. It's just culture war poo poo and continuing to entrench the status of the landlord class. So long as the Tories are more likely to enrich property owners in the short to medium term, they'll carry on voting for them.
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ronya posted:Sports hooliganism dredging up sectarian conflicts to amp up the stakes isn't really different when non-white people are doing it. The proximate cause here is the cricket. There isn't really a deeper meaning. Good Friday did not make Celtic and Rangers fans hate each other less. As I say I'm sure most of them are cosplaying because it's a good way to get a rise out of the Pakistanis (in the same way that cosplaying being a nazi will get a rise out of a lot of people) rather than that secret BJP political officers are sneaking into Leicester cricket crowds (or the claims that "it's all immigrants, none of it was us, we all sat at home" from some) but it's still disturbing like when American alt-right and Qanon rhetoric started showing up.
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I think it's good that they're removing the limits on bankers bonuses because one day I might be a banker. Is a bit different to just generally having taxes for millionaires be not very high. Like whose aspiration is to be a banker, especially people already a coupler of decades down another career path?
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Guavanaut posted:We've had plenty of years of off and on street fights, stealing national flags, and throwing insults during the I-P cricket in Leicester, but this nazi chanting is new, and by threatening places of worship (or making that impression) it's a big accelerant. There is a larger number of nationalist cricket fans as Leicester's South Asian population increases, perhaps - could be a tipping point in a public order sense. That's a lot of people marching down streets in some of those videos
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Like whose aspiration is to be a banker, especially people already a coupler of decades down another career path? Tory MPs lining up their post-parliament jobs for themselves
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There are genuine pogroms going on in India, but since India are an "ally" of the west (they do play multiple sides a bit), there's no need for that to be a big thing and it kinda just gets ignored in western media. India is a "democracy" too (as in it allows private profit for western investors). A lot of people who own the media have no need to talk about it. There are many conflicts around the world that just don't get talked about, a lie through omission. It's much more important when it's a statistical analysis of population/farming trends in the offices of a CIA thinktank against a current geopolitical enemy, in that case it'll be propagated everywhere.
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Haystack posted:That actually touches on part of the issue. "Female" as a noun as has a clinical vibe to it. I have a friend (non-biney AFAB) who prefers "female" to other terms precisely because of this. To her* it carries no connotations of womanhood or femininity, it's a simple clinical descriptor. Unfortunate that the incels have gone all Ferengi about it. * She uses she/her I am not misgendering dnw Also I would absolutely turn to incitement, rioting, violence, anything at all to alleviate the boredom of watching cricket.
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Ms Adequate posted:
One time I thought I was in luck having a boyfriend who hated football. Then the cricket started  90 mins of utter boredom v 3 days of utter boredom. Hm.The big plus of living alone is there is NEVER any sport on my tv.
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Rarity posted:poo poo I thought that was in a couple of weeks To be fair there were a fair few flyers handed out for other events over the next few weeks.
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The Question IRL posted:And so the Something Awful riots of 2022 were started by posts about the size of balloons. 
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sport has done immeasurably more good for the world than all the people whining about how sport might be on THEIR tv
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Ms Adequate posted:Also I would absolutely turn to incitement, rioting, violence, anything at all to alleviate the boredom of watching cricket. I liked you... Once
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ronya posted:There is a larger number of nationalist cricket fans as Leicester's South Asian population increases, perhaps - could be a tipping point in a public order sense. That's a lot of people marching down streets in some of those videos Now it could be that the percentage of nationalists out of the cricket crowd increased. Most of Leicester's Hindu population originally came via Uganda/Kenya/East Africa during the Expulsions and surrounding exodus, so while India was their team, and their roots, they weren't really Indian nationalists (the third or so who petitioned to go to India instead due to stronger nationalist sentiments didn't end up in Leicester so there's a selection there). Their children and grandchildren may on average find themselves attracted to the identitarian side of Indian politics in a 'Boston warehouse worker with strong opinions about the IRA' way. My hot take is that just like sports hooliganism sectarianism isn't a whites-only calling, neither is access to WhatsApp groups deliberately curating the dumbest most inflammatory and racially aggressive meme nonsense on earth. That's how you get Hindu meme nazis in a context where they make no sense. 
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Gonzo McFee posted:Of all the lies to tell Presumably, he was banking on the Tories believing no-one would be stupid enough to claim they worked for that moron.
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https://twitter.com/ECHR_CEDH/status/1572133527847833600 Kate and Gerry did it. Well, okay, that's not what the judgment says, it just says that it is no unfair infringement on private life nor presumption of innocence for a future publication to restate the initial suspicion that Kate and Gerry did it. because Kate and Gerry did it
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I went to uni in Leicester, and during my first year I lived on a street where I was possibly the only white guy. It was pretty lovely, quiet and had some amazing smells. And I occasionally would chat to my neighbours and it was very friendly until the subject of India came up once and I got a nice introduction to some of the most vile racism I've ever heard in person.
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https://twitter.com/stophs2/status/1572251081484259329 You think stuff like this is bad now? Wait until the charter zones are up and running....
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:One time I thought I was in luck having a boyfriend who hated football. Then the cricket started My partner recently said she was glad I’m not into football. I pointed out that football is only 90 minutes, whereas a bike race can be 4-5 hours, but she was still pleased with my choices
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Bobby Deluxe posted:It always blows my mind to see the FT push back against tory ideology. Like the tories entire shtick is that they're doing it in the name of the economy, and then the people who are actually pitching their stuff for the rich are saying "no this is poo poo and won't work." The FT's job is to inform people who control money how to best protect and increase that money, and to do that it needs to give them grounded, evidence-based and realistic information when it comes to financial and economic matters. That's why it's been increasingly sceptical of the Tories in recent years, because what they're doing is simply bad for business in the big picture. It was also the only paper that gave remotely sane coverage of Labour policy in the Corbyn years too - they didn't pull punches that Labour policies would mean lower profits, reduced employer power, more regulation or even widespread nationalisation without fair compensation. But the FT also ran editorials and analysis being generally complimentary to the widespread investment in infrastructure, the potential for increased consumer spending and security, a more equal footing for smaller businesses, the potential for growth in green and high-tech manufacturing and so on. When the tabloids were shrieking about things like workers being given stakes in businesses or better tenant's rights and how this would basically turn the UK into Cuba the FT was very good at pointing out that yes, if you're a business owner/ landlord this is going to suck for you but it's basically the same policy as is already in place in [European country] where it has had effects [a, b + c] and people still make money by doing [x, y + z]. When someone proposes a four-day working week, FT readers want to be told the odds on that leading to more productive workers and more leisure spending. They're not interested in hearing a load of culture war bullshit about how woke millenials just don't know how to graft and they need three days off to peel their avocados and change their genders.
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fuctifino posted:https://twitter.com/stophs2/status/1572251081484259329 I've seen very little actual reporting on these charter zone things... and only brief mention of the them conflating them with freeports and the like. Have you got a link to something reliable on it so I can learn how even more turbofucked we're all going to be?
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Truss in the States saying that other countries should follow the UK's example and embrace trickle-down economics. Because it's worked so well at delivering champagne to all the glasses at the bottom for the last 40+ years.
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Payndz posted:Truss in the States saying that other countries should follow the UK's example and embrace trickle-down economics. https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/1572218921347866624
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