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forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Guavanaut posted:

https://twitter.com/DrRubidium/status/1571869354546921473

Britain has made such strides in gender equality that the same is now true of women.

I miss when I could write female instead of woman for the sake of a bit of variety but it isn't a major loss.

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xtothez
Jan 4, 2004


College Slice

Bobby Deluxe posted:

Someone was asking about the hindu / muslim violence in Leicester, this seems to be a decent breakdown:


I hope that one day mankind's technology will advance to a point where current events can be documented in a single page or 'article', rather than 50 individual tweets.

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

forkboy84 posted:

I miss when I could write female instead of woman for the sake of a bit of variety but it isn't a major loss.

You'll never make Grand Nagus with that attitude

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting
Just asked in builder's merchants for some lady ended pipe bends.

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.
It's weird that "female" is such a red flag while "male" goes unnoticed but that's how language and the euphemism treadmill works I guess.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

You say that but I often hear a silent "biological" in front of male so it makes me sideeye.

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

Typical woke left, silencing b-

Wait no, that's an actual thing they say.

Reveilled
Apr 19, 2007

Take up your rifles
I think generally female is fine if its used as an adjective, it's only really a problem when someone's using it as a noun and tbh that's always been a clunky use of the word. Like, "Valentina Tereshkova was the first female cosmonaut" sounds ok, "Valentina Tereshkova was the first female in space" is ferengi talk.

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!
Ed: ^^^ your explanation makes sense - is this all there is to it? Adjective v noun?

Genuine question: what is wrong with 'female'? :corsair:
Educate and explain as if I were your granny. :chanpop:

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Bobby Deluxe posted:

Someone was asking about the hindu / muslim violence in Leicester, this seems to be a decent breakdown:

https://twitter.com/sunny_hundal/status/1571927657050415104?t=Bomm9uCQTRLpKRS4CZx0iQ&s=19
This fits with what I've heard from friends more directly involved. Hindutva fash kicked it off, and as always when one group tries to start a race war the other hit back. Add a bit of hooliganism/skirmishing round the sides and you get this.

I'd be wary of exactly what bits are 'imported' though, Hindutva is promoted by BJP in India, but local fascists are more than capable of standing in a big group and chanting nazi poo poo of their own accord.

Some buses of various groups did apparently come from Bradford and Wembley in the name of 'community defence' but again you can always see that happening in these types of events, and I've also heard people try to pin the whole thing on 'outside agitators' and no, clean your front yard and talk to your neighbour.

This bit is very on point though, white nationalists are having a field day and they can eat poo poo.

https://twitter.com/sunny_hundal/status/1571943682697306113


Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Genuine question: what is wrong with 'female'? :corsair:
Educate and explain as if I were your granny. :chanpop:
Sexist men ruined it with pseudoscientific new-atheist nonsense like "females have a tendency to..." and then men's rights activists incorporated that into their incel woman hating nonsense, and now the TERFs are calling themselves "adult biological human females" because they think that penises are lurking in the M&S changing rooms so the whole thing is a trash fire really.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Reveilled posted:

I think generally female is fine if its used as an adjective, it's only really a problem when someone's using it as a noun and tbh that's always been a clunky use of the word. Like, "Valentina Tereshkova was the first female cosmonaut" sounds ok, "Valentina Tereshkova was the first female in space" is ferengi talk.

Simply put: using an adjective as a noun is to define someone by, and thereby reduce them to, a single quality they possess.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Ed: ^^^ your explanation makes sense - is this all there is to it? Adjective v noun?

Genuine question: what is wrong with 'female'? :corsair:
Educate and explain as if I were your granny. :chanpop:

It got co-opted by creepy alt-right types who managed to take a benign term and make it a vaguely dehumanising red flag.


Failed Imagineer posted:

You'll never make Grand Nagus with that attitude

I believe my socialism already prevented that, alas.

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.
Noun as opposed to adjective has always struck me as derogatory. Think "black" or "jew" instead of "black person" or "Jewish person"

Also, poors and olds (though I do like those terms a lot)

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Ed: ^^^ your explanation makes sense - is this all there is to it? Adjective v noun?

Genuine question: what is wrong with 'female'? :corsair:
Educate and explain as if I were your granny. :chanpop:

It's kind of disproportionately used by terfs and weird manosphere guys who spend all their time screaming about how women are terrible.

E: mostly as a noun but in general unless you're actually a biologist writing academically, both male and female kinda give me bad vibes now because they seem to be mostly the domain of internet weirdos. I can now not hear the word male without expecting a greek letter in front of it.

OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 14:15 on Sep 20, 2022

Jippa
Feb 13, 2009
My bland take for the day is that I never want to hear another opinion from kirstie allsopp on pretty much anything. Yes, it is my fault for reading silly local news sites. That is beside the point though. :arghfist:

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

OwlFancier posted:

I can now not hear the word male without expecting a greek letter in front of it.

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Ed: ^^^ your explanation makes sense - is this all there is to it? Adjective v noun?

Genuine question: what is wrong with 'female'? :corsair:
Educate and explain as if I were your granny. :chanpop:
Generally when you hear a guy using 'females' as a noun, it'll be part of a sentence like "dress in bright colours and do magic tricks to entice a female" or "I'm so sick of females sleeping with chads instead of nice guys like me - so nice I'm going to go shoot some."

As mentioned earlier, it has also now transcended the gender barrier and is also used in rants about toilets by weemin who ironically enough very much disapprove of gender barriers being transcended.

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

forkboy84 posted:

I believe my socialism already prevented that, alas.

Didn't stop Rom !

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Bobby Deluxe posted:

Generally when you hear a guy using 'females' as a noun, it'll be part of a sentence like "dress in bright colours and do magic tricks to entice a female"
I was genuinely unsure if you were going for Chad Manley PUA or David Attenborough there for a start.

Tomberforce
May 30, 2006

[quote="His Divine Shadow" post="526397993"]
Didn't get that feeling myself, just felt like an honest assesment to me, without pulling any punches. The days of cheap energy are coming to an end, well they're gone already.

It's market failure. I have an off grid solar house in Victoria, Australia (cold and cloudy by Australian standards, probably similar to UK south coast) My solar system has provided 4800kwh of power so far this year and I haven't paid a power bill in 3 years.

The house is obviously more optimal than the average UK house but solar could be a hugely useful power resource here, especially with the electrification of transport.

Dead Goon
Dec 13, 2002

No Obvious Flaws



Das Queen was a submarine.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Dachs Königin

Haystack
Jan 23, 2005





Guavanaut posted:

I was genuinely unsure if you were going for Chad Manley PUA or David Attenborough there for a start.

That actually touches on part of the issue. "Female" as a noun as has a clinical vibe to it.

The Question IRL
Jun 8, 2013

Only two contestants left! Here is Doom's chance for revenge...

Guavanaut posted:

This fits with what I've heard from friends more directly involved. Hindutva fash kicked it off, and as always when one group tries to start a race war the other hit back. Add a bit of hooliganism/skirmishing round the sides and you get this.

I'd be wary of exactly what bits are 'imported' though, Hindutva is promoted by BJP in India, but local fascists are more than capable of standing in a big group and chanting nazi poo poo of their own accord.

Some buses of various groups did apparently come from Bradford and Wembley in the name of 'community defence' but again you can always see that happening in these types of events, and I've also heard people try to pin the whole thing on 'outside agitators' and no, clean your front yard and talk to your neighbour.

This bit is very on point though, white nationalists are having a field day and they can eat poo poo.

It's a good read.

But this tweet was phrased really badly.

https://twitter.com/sunny_hundal/status/1571946065305436160?t=-VjwoR85wRGcAdD7ATrqsQ&s=19

Surprise T Rex
Apr 9, 2008

Dinosaur Gum

Tomberforce posted:

[solar stuff]

I've been thinking about Solar Panels for our house for a while but I'm never sure how worthwhile they are in terms of time to pay off.

Obviously right now they're a great thing to already have but has anyone had them added and seen good results in terms of overall energy costs?

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!
https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1572223059955781633

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

Surprise T Rex posted:

Obviously right now they're a great thing to already have but has anyone had them added and seen good results in terms of overall energy costs?
The guy a few doors down has some with the battery, and says his bills pretty much pay themselves. Small 3 bed terrace, but it seems like a decent amount.

He regularly gets complaints from someone across the street who claims she gets glare off them when there is no angle the sun ever reaches overhead that would reflect into her house. He's even been over there when she claimed it was 'unbearable' and it was basically a glint off one corner of the frame.

oxford_town
Aug 6, 2009

Bobby Deluxe posted:

Someone was asking about the hindu / muslim violence in Leicester, this seems to be a decent breakdown:

https://twitter.com/sunny_hundal/status/1571927657050415104?t=Bomm9uCQTRLpKRS4CZx0iQ&s=19

Thanks for sharing, this is a good read.

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:

Haystack posted:

That actually touches on part of the issue. "Female" as a noun as has a clinical vibe to it.
Because that's how it had come to be used by the start of the 20th century. And even though it started as a noun like seven centuries ago, for, well, human females, it was almost immediately appropriated for use in husbandry and poo poo. The clinical use of the term seems to have been part of pushing it over the edge though, because apparently it was fine to use for both female humans and goats before.

bessantj
Jul 27, 2004


Nice to see the FT pushing back against Truss and Kwarteng calling the British the worst idlers in the world

We all know it isn't true just nice to see some print about it.

The Perfect Element
Dec 5, 2005
"This is a bit of a... a poof song"
What boggles my mind when reading that Byline Times article, and whenever reading about the US far right, and their lackeys over here is just how unrepentantantly evil they all seem. Like, I assume that they don't think they're the baddies, but literally everything they do, and the way they do it, is villainous. I just don't understand how people end up like this.

sebzilla
Mar 17, 2009

Kid's blasting everything in sight with that new-fangled musket.



Ah, my local council (the office is literally around the corner from me)

The former council leader was passed over for selection as parliamentary candidate and quit the party along with a couple of other councillors. That left the Greens as the largest coalition partner, so the new leader being a Green made perfect sense. But apparently voting for that was enough for more councillors to get the boot? Absolutely bizarre behaviour.

100% not voting Labour next time out, and might ever have to backtrack on my "no Greens" policy since they replaced Molly Scott Cato and the new guy has some modest shitposting chops.

https://twitter.com/PeteKennedy/status/1570089012869697539?s=20&t=9GctIGFrECQ2awFNOTl0Xg

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

The Question IRL posted:

It's a good read.

But this tweet was phrased really badly.
Anyone who thinks that 'ethnic tensions' or outside agitators are necessary for Leicester to riot ought to be reminded that the largest riot (outside of actual civil war) was over a rumour that a big balloon was actually a slightly smaller balloon so as a city we're quite capable of ruining our reputation ourselves.

If the police should be doing anything it's being educated on the different kinds of hard right groups that troll around trying to start poo poo, but we have a police commissioner who poo poo talks BLM to one group while posing with them for another so not much chance of that. :eng99:

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

sebzilla posted:

Ah, my local council (the office is literally around the corner from me)

The former council leader was passed over for selection as parliamentary candidate and quit the party along with a couple of other councillors. That left the Greens as the largest coalition partner, so the new leader being a Green made perfect sense. But apparently voting for that was enough for more councillors to get the boot? Absolutely bizarre behaviour.

100% not voting Labour next time out, and might ever have to backtrack on my "no Greens" policy since they replaced Molly Scott Cato and the new guy has some modest shitposting chops.

https://twitter.com/PeteKennedy/status/1570089012869697539?s=20&t=9GctIGFrECQ2awFNOTl0Xg

One of my brothers lived in Stroud for a few years til he got laid off. As a vegetarian musician who resigned from quite a good job (not the one he got laid off from) because he refused to wear a tie which the New Regime were insisting upon (he spent his days in a lab in a lab coat - why did he need a tie?) he fit right in to Stroud.

His Divine Shadow
Aug 7, 2000

I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.

Tomberforce posted:

It's market failure. I have an off grid solar house in Victoria, Australia (cold and cloudy by Australian standards, probably similar to UK south coast) My solar system has provided 4800kwh of power so far this year and I haven't paid a power bill in 3 years.

The house is obviously more optimal than the average UK house but solar could be a hugely useful power resource here, especially with the electrification of transport.

You can't extrapolate from your off grid home to all of society though, most of europe can't rely on solar power for half the year even if every house had solar panels (and there are environmental issues with that idea too). And when you bring in electrification of transport and other things, that makes the problem a magnitude worse. There's no way hosé we're gonna run anything like our current society on renewables without magic level energy density storage. This is why everything is falling apart now, renewables never worked in europe unless paired with natural gas (there are no storage solutions remotely on the horizon that can get rid of nat.gas, no not even that latest youtube video on the issue) and when that went up in price everything else fell down.

We have five solutions for returning to something like what we've become used to and none are coming soon:

-Natural gas becomes cheap again
-Nuclear fission is built out massively (decade+ away)
-Nuclear fusion (decades away)
-Cheap mass scale storage (I think this one is further away than fusion or about in the same ball park)
-Geothermal (If millimeter wave drilling works out this is the one to watch in a few years).

So the next decade or so is gonna be about saving energy, unless we start buying russian gas again.

edit, also a thread on the bad shape of the european energy grid:
https://twitter.com/BurggrabenH/status/1567929340737863680

His Divine Shadow fucked around with this message at 15:56 on Sep 20, 2022

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:

Guavanaut posted:

Anyone who thinks that 'ethnic tensions' or outside agitators are necessary for Leicester to riot ought to be reminded that the largest riot (outside of actual civil war) was over a rumour that a big balloon was actually a slightly smaller balloon so as a city we're quite capable of ruining our reputation ourselves.
Hmm, I'm not reading that story the same way as you. It seems more like some dude claimed that the balloon they were seeing sucked, and someone else could have made a better balloon instead of wasting everyone's time with a lovely one.

It definitely reads like something that would happen today though, even if not with a balloon.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Hopefully it doesn't but the UK does it anyway and we all end up volcanoed to death.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Also apparently big balloon is worth one deciqueen on the gawkometer.

Small Strange Bird
Sep 22, 2006

Merci, chaton!

OwlFancier posted:

Hopefully it doesn't but the UK does it anyway and we all end up volcanoed to death.
Or we all end up as Primords.

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Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

A Buttery Pastry posted:

Hmm, I'm not reading that story the same way as you. It seems more like some dude claimed that the balloon they were seeing sucked, and someone else could have made a better balloon instead of wasting everyone's time with a lovely one.

It definitely reads like something that would happen today though, even if not with a balloon.
There's some variations on it, that the balloon wasn't the big balloon, that it wasn't as big as they expected, that his big balloon that he'd travel the world in was being hidden and they were being shown a little balloon for plebs.

Thousands of people rioted over the perceived size of a balloon though, so I doubt there's a single coherent story of what they were telling each other.

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