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On the bankruptcy case… holy poo poo, the judge is going to hand InfoWars over to a trustee  https://twitter.com/nytliz/status/1572380857268314112?s=46&t=kY3YHANXBUvYyKmVXN_nUA
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MrMojok posted:On the bankruptcy case… holy poo poo, the judge is going to hand InfoWars over to a trustee this could literally not be going worse for jones without the bankruptcy judge actually referring him for criminal prosecution the judge fired everyone Jones appointed, gave the company to a trustee, and told the trustee to spend Infowars' money suing alex jones, and he doesn't care what it costs
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Sep 21, 2022 01:59
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Amazing, going to drive everyone absolutely insane. Jones is probably already putting the detonators into the scuttling charges he’s planted around the building.
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Sep 21, 2022 02:00
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Pirate Radar posted:Amazing, going to drive everyone absolutely insane. Jones is probably already putting the detonators into the scuttling charges he’s planted around the building. It's not often I hope for an oops with explosives but I think I'm okay with that here.
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Sep 21, 2022 02:02
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I think this puts to bed the idea that Jones was 5D chessing this thing. He’s actually just really dumb
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Sep 21, 2022 02:04
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No, I forgot he won’t blow up the building because InfoFSSWars doesn’t own it, he has the company rent it from him/his parents, so it would actually hurt him to destroy it
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Sep 21, 2022 02:14
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CharlestheHammer posted:I think this puts to bed the idea that Jones was 5D chessing this thing. I mean, I guess he could be playing 5D chess. Just he’s really loving bad at it and and keeps falling for scholar’s mate. That is, when he doesn’t try to eat “the horsey” or accuse the bishops of being Mossad agents. You don’t have to play well to be playing.
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Sep 21, 2022 02:20
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Knowing nothing on how trustees work legally, I'm assuming it's a situation where a) the trustee is placed in charge of a company as a neutral party to provide all information as required to the government, and b) is generally required to do what is in the best interest of said company while they're operating it. So, in theory, could a trustee look at Alex Jones and say "every time you open your mouth on-air we get sued and lose money, therefore shut the gently caress up and just hock your shady supplements"? Because an Alex Jones getting told he can't talk anymore... goddamn that would be beautiful.
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Sep 21, 2022 02:32
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I wonder whether or not the trustee knows that the "Click here to donate to InfoWars in BTC" was a direct deposit to Alex Jones' personal bitcoin wallet. Hell, how would you even explain that to the broker? They had significant issues last week with even bringing that aspect of FSS/InfoWars up, and that was more of a throwaway comment that didn't get expanded on.
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Sep 21, 2022 02:40
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Thomamelas posted:It's not often I hope for an oops with explosives but I think I'm okay with that here. Literal hoisted by his own petard is the end Jones deserves.
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Sep 21, 2022 02:42
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Faust IX posted:I wonder whether or not the trustee knows that the "Click here to donate to InfoWars in BTC" was a direct deposit to Alex Jones' personal bitcoin wallet. I would assume any trustee they put into place, will either have enough economic knowledge them selves or have access to economic advisors that know economics enough, that how donations worked and where money went, will be very much a known thing. This is a very high profile case with a lot of money involved in this, I would be shocked if they put in an incompetent idiot as the trustee.
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Sep 21, 2022 02:50
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Faust IX posted:
Sorry, late to respond to this, but the rookie wasn't mattei, who has quite a bit of experience surprisingly, it was Koskoff, the guy talking to the misinformation expert.
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Sep 21, 2022 02:50
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Glory to Italia!
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gently caress, I'm really bad at assigning voices to names. My bad. But even with an economic specialist, wouldn't there have to be crypto consultants coming in and identifying when and where on the blockchain ledger FFS/Jones has stashed it away? I know there's regulation coming out to that sort of thing soon, but it might as well be like speaking binary to me.
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Sep 21, 2022 04:07
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Faust IX posted:gently caress, I'm really bad at assigning voices to names. My bad. But even with an economic specialist, wouldn't there have to be crypto consultants coming in and identifying when and where on the blockchain ledger FFS/Jones has stashed it away? I know there's regulation coming out to that sort of thing soon, but it might as well be like speaking binary to me. I’m assuming the trustee won’t be like Kevin the Court Intern.
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Sep 21, 2022 04:14
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George Soros.
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Sep 21, 2022 04:18
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loving  I am so sad I didn't dial into this hearing today.
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Sep 21, 2022 04:21
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Xiahou Dun posted:I’m assuming the trustee won’t be like Kevin the Court Intern. That would be a fun premise for a TV show though
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Sep 21, 2022 04:45
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the final Jerry On Jerry smooch at the end was a really sweet little moment after a very bleak setup
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Sep 21, 2022 05:03
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Pirate Radar posted:No, I forgot he won’t blow up the building because InfoFSSWars doesn’t own it, he has the company rent it from him/his parents, so it would actually hurt him to destroy it So what you are saying is it will definitely explode
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Sep 21, 2022 06:23
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I mean I do expect him to destroy records rather than turn them over to an outsider. And I want to say, the common explanation for InfoWars’s reticence to participate properly in discovery in these defamation trials is that their internal documents would reveal further crimes or otherwise somehow make them look worse than they already do, and that’s very possible, but let’s not understate something: Jones is a pathologically oppositional person and it’s possible he would refuse to turn over completely benign documents just on the principle of “gently caress you, I won’t do what you tell me”.
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Sep 21, 2022 06:28
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Pirate Radar posted:I mean I do expect him to destroy records rather than turn them over to an outsider. And I want to say, the common explanation for InfoWars’s reticence to participate properly in discovery in these defamation trials is that their internal documents would reveal further crimes or otherwise somehow make them look worse than they already do, Isn't the court literally supposed to assume this is true if someone destroys documents or fucks with Discovery hard enough? The prosecution is permitted to speculate about what the documents would probably show if the court had them (Something that is very much not permitted normally.)
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Sep 21, 2022 06:48
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Skipped like 1000 posts. What happened to the Jones phone dump? Was it ever delivered to law enforcement agencies?
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Sep 21, 2022 08:45
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Pirate Radar posted:I mean I do expect him to destroy records rather than turn them over to an outsider. And I want to say, the common explanation for InfoWars’s reticence to participate properly in discovery in these defamation trials is that their internal documents would reveal further crimes or otherwise somehow make them look worse than they already do, and that’s very possible, but let’s not understate something: Jones is a pathologically oppositional person and it’s possible he would refuse to turn over completely benign documents just on the principle of “gently caress you, I won’t do what you tell me”. This isn’t about Jones turning over documents. The US trustee’s office is now management at Free Speech Systems, LLC. They’re going to show up at the studio today, and start running the business. Jones doesn’t have an option to refuse. bad_fmr posted:Skipped like 1000 posts. What happened to the Jones phone dump? Was it ever delivered to law enforcement agencies? The phone has been used a number of ways, but not definite reports from law enforcement have occurred. You missed the bankruptcy judge kicking out Jones’ chosen lawyer and chief restructuring officer yesterday. The federal government is taking over free speech systems to run it until its bankruptcy is over.
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Sep 21, 2022 12:36
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So what do they do when he stops showing up to work and instead opens Freer Speech Systems, who host a new, entirely different podcast?
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Sep 21, 2022 12:40
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goatface posted:So what do they do when he stops showing up to work and instead opens Freer Speech Systems, who host a new, entirely different podcast? A federal judge that is watching everything he is doing. He has invited this level of scrutiny into his affairs by seeking out bankruptcy protection. His ability to gently caress around is severely curtailed.
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Sep 21, 2022 12:48
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Oh right, because they decided Alex Jones and FSS were one and the same? I guess I'm asking if he walks - or if the trustee decides "show not viable, host too erratic" and pulls a plug - and he goes and starts a new company, do they follow him or what?
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Sep 21, 2022 12:55
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I do think it's important to keep in mind that whatever level of restriction in loving around would apply to a normal person, Alex Jones is not normal and will do whatever he can get away with. Unless something is forcibly prevented from happening don't expect it to be stopped.
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Sep 21, 2022 12:58
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Mr. Nice! posted:This isn’t about Jones turning over documents. No, I know. I’m referring to the original failure to participate in discovery that led to the default judgement.
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Sep 21, 2022 12:58
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The trustee isn’t going to stop him from doing his show. Their goal is to pay creditors and keep the business running, if possible. FSS is incredibly profitable and is not actually insolvent. The trustee, first, is going to audit the company and give a report to the court. Next, they’re going to operate FSS in its normal course of business and ensure money goes where it is supposed to go - not just to insider pockets via fraudulent transfers. FSS is going to be raking in money hand over fist while Jones goes on the air to rant about the feds taking over his business, and how they’re coming after YOU next. The trustee is going to direct that money to where it is supposed to go. Also, FYI, the US Trustee’s office is a part of the DoJ. They’ll have federal officers with them for security.
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Sep 21, 2022 13:01
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Pirate Radar posted:No, I know. I’m referring to the original failure to participate in discovery that led to the default judgement. Gotcha. Internal documents said “say sandy hook was fake more cause revenues spike every time you do.” That’s why they hosed around in discovery so much.
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bird food bathtub posted:I do think it's important to keep in mind that whatever level of restriction in loving around would apply to a normal person, Alex Jones is not normal and will do whatever he can get away with. Unless something is forcibly prevented from happening don't expect it to be stopped. I don’t think Jones can just get away with standard jackassery when the DoJ is running his day to day business.
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Sep 21, 2022 13:04
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goatface posted:So what do they do when he stops showing up to work and instead opens Freer Speech Systems, who host a new, entirely different podcast? He better not be doing it with any InfoWars cash or cash from accounts intermingled with InfoWars cash or from any cash from entities that are just InfoWars but wearing a funny mustache. I really cannot wait to hear Jones's reaction to the government taking over InfoWars. Even if he was "just" a conspiracy theorist it would be incredible. This is going to be stroke and/or heart attack on air levels of rage.
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Sep 21, 2022 13:08
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Mr. Nice! posted:Also, FYI, the US Trustee’s office is a part of the DoJ. They’ll have federal officers with them for security. "They're holding me at gunpoint!"
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Sep 21, 2022 13:14
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I hope the trustee sits at the desk and is just a cohost from now on
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Sep 21, 2022 13:18
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Well among other things Jones will ask for more donations driectly to himself. Or by methods that go directly into his pocket while advertised as going to infowars or something. I am more interested in how the Trust guy reacts to those direct donations. I actually have no idea what would happen in a normal company in such a situation, let alone infowars. I mean what would happen normally if a employee asks donors of a donor supported buissness to instead send money to thier personal accounts. And recieves several millions in bitcoins. Can the company get the money?
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Sep 21, 2022 13:19
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if OJ could get away with never actually paying restitution, I think Jones will manage similar bullshit.
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Sep 21, 2022 13:21
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goatface posted:Oh right, because they decided Alex Jones and FSS were one and the same? Now that’s something I admit I had forgotten they’d done, I wonder what fun extra ramifications that will have now with the trustee.
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Sep 21, 2022 13:21
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Pirate Radar posted:Now that’s something I admit I had forgotten they’d done, I wonder what fun extra ramifications that will have now with the trustee. Fairly sure it's a one-way street, and the Trustee does not get to personally control Alex Jones like a puppet
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Sep 21, 2022 13:24
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Raku posted:I hope the trustee sits at the desk and is just a cohost from now on They’re gonna try to redpill the trustee
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Devor posted:Fairly sure it's a one-way street, and the Trustee does not get to personally control Alex Jones like a puppet *Trustee shows up day one with a latex glove and a bottle of ky*
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