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aparmenideanmonad posted:Big recommendation for dawnshard, but it does set you up for even worse disappointment with RoW in terms of the writing quality and pacing. Replace Venli's flashbacks with Dawnbreaker and you have a decentish book.
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Jose Valasquez posted:You can also just not read any of the extra stuff and be fine tbh, I've never read Warbreaker or Dawnshard and while I'm sure there are some things I missed I never really felt like I was missing something important while reading Rhythm of War. Both Warbreaker and Dawnshard are much better than Rhythm of War though aparmenideanmonad posted:Big recommendation for dawnshard, but it does set you up for even worse disappointment with RoW in terms of the writing quality and pacing. 
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Sep 22, 2022 17:33
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Everyone should read Elantris and then agree that Elantris is a book that could be good but instead is not.
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Sep 22, 2022 18:39
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I liked the twist at the end of Elantris.
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Sep 22, 2022 18:55
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Elantris was like half of a good book, which is still better then some other poo poo I've read I guess.
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Sep 22, 2022 19:53
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Monolith. posted:I liked the twist at the end of Elantris. The “twist” of Elantris elicited a real “eh? That’s it?” from me. It’s also a book that could lose 100-200 pages and not hurt the story at all. There are so many different parts that just go nowhere.
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Sep 22, 2022 21:38
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Mordiceius posted:The “twist” of Elantris elicited a real “eh? That’s it?” from me. True, it wasn't earth shattering, for the most part anyways. It was my first Sanderson book so there may be some rose tinted glasses, plus it's been almost a decade since I read it.
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As a counterpoint to other peoples opinion, i think you should read warbreaker before words of radiance because the endingof WoR made me go "what!? Hell yeah, What?" And i was so pumped for oathbreaker to come out
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Sep 22, 2022 23:15
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Pocky In My Pocket posted:As a counterpoint to other peoples opinion, i think you should read warbreaker before words of radiance because the endingof WoR made me go "what!? Hell yeah, What?" And i was so pumped for oathbreaker to come out Same, which is why I always recommend Warbreaker before WoR. Monolith. posted:True, it wasn't earth shattering, for the most part anyways. It was my first Sanderson book so there may be some rose tinted glasses, plus it's been almost a decade since I read it. Elantris was my first Sanderson book, and nearly my only, as it didn't leave me with a desire to read more Sanderson. If not for Brandon finishing Wheel of Time, where he left a much better impression, I might have missed the Cosmere train entirely 
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I got into Sanderson entirely through Mistborn which I think I read about on this very forum. It hit me like a truck. I worked in libraries for sooooooooo long and I grew to hate most of what people label YA/Fantasy books; they were generally pornish stuff. I read Mistborn and just flipped on finally having a book I liked on the shelf. On top of that it was a book that I could start recommending to any kids coming through the section. Finally I heard he had an entire library of books and damned if I haven't been reading him since. I've met him 3 times and he has always been an exceptionally kind person with the sweetest drat kids you could imagine. So if I could suggest anything for anyone coming fresh in to Sanderson and his works, read Mistborn. I know most of us have certainly read it already but any newcomers should just run through Mistborn. I will say his favorite color combo is U/B and he said he wrote Jasnah as a Dimir character on purpose.
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I've talked in the past about reading ASOIAF because everybody was talking about GOT/ASOIAF in 2014. But Mistborn was also a series I heard a lot about on another forum I frequented at the time. Unless you count Harry Potter, those were the two big Fantasy series I got into. I have never gone back to ASOIAF (which admittedly is somewhat due to Martin's failure to ever continue it so why bother) but I've read the Mistborn Trilogy twice and The Final Empire three times. The Final Empire remains the perfect Fantasy novel in my humble, ill-educated opinion. If anyone wants to see if they'll like Sanderson, I can't think of a better place to start. And if you like audiobooks like I do, the narrator is the best. NikkolasKing fucked around with this message at 03:08 on Sep 23, 2022 |
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Mistborn is what got me in. I went Mistborn era 1 -> Elantris -> Mistborn Era 2 -> Warbreaker -> I'm about to start Stormlight Elantris sucks
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Sep 23, 2022 03:24
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Wasn't Elantris his legit first published book? you guys are vicious lol
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Barreft posted:Wasn't Elantris his legit first published book? you guys are vicious lol Yeah but it was like the 8th one he wrote
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Tunicate posted:Yeah but it was like the 8th one he wrote Yeah, but even he'll admit that those previous 7 were pretty bad. Elantris I think would work better as a novella like the soul forging one, but for a first published novel it wasn't terrible. I mean even Pratchett has said his first couple books were way lower quality than his later ones. Sanderson is getting better, though he does maybe need to get a bit more concise. These doorstopper books could probably be split up a bit.
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My problem with Elantris is we spend the most time with the least interesting character and least time with the most interesting character. And then there are multiple storylines that go nowhere or do nothing to progress the story further. And there are a few problematic parts in it.
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socialsecurity posted:Replace Venli's flashbacks with Dawnbreaker and you have a decentish book. Go back in time and have Sanderson ignore the person who pushed them to kill Eshonai and kill off Venli instead of trying to make use care about them. I get what the idea is with Venli and it really, really does not need to happen and should not happen. seaborgium posted:Yeah, but even he'll admit that those previous 7 were pretty bad. Elantris I think would work better as a novella like the soul forging one, but for a first published novel it wasn't terrible. I forget if it's on his website, but awhile back he shared a partially finished book he later repurposed for Stormlight (I think?) and the main character basically could hear a language and immediately master it, or see someone do something and master it, and Sanderson mentioned how he scrapped it because the character was just too powerful and boring to try and write a story around at that point. Evil Fluffy fucked around with this message at 18:14 on Sep 23, 2022 |
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Evil Fluffy posted:I forget if it's on his website, but awhile back he shared a partially finished book he later repurposed for Stormlight (I think?) and the main character basically could hear a language and immediately master it, or see someone do something and master it, and Sanderson mentioned how he scrapped it because the character was just too powerful and boring to try and write a story around at that point. Sounds like a proto-version of his Legion character.
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that was mythwalker, it's on his site but incomplete because he realized it was too horseshit the big twist that got recycled into warbreaker (which never actually got into the incomplete chapters) was that the emperor had some tremendous inherited power that relied on speech (maybe some metamagic thing controlling bloodline inheritances), and had his tongue cut out, and the temporary healing girl was gonna heal it and let him do his stuff Tunicate fucked around with this message at 07:14 on Sep 24, 2022 |
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We're trying to get people to read Warbreaker, do you really think it's a good idea to just spoil one of the central twists of the book?
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TGG posted:I will say his favorite color combo is U/B and he said he wrote Jasnah as a Dimir character on purpose. I'd play a U/R Shallan deck.
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Mordiceius posted:
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Monolith. posted:Like what? So the main one that everyone (even Brandon) agrees upon is a character gets "cured" of his autism in the finale. It was the criticism that he received for this that really made him really take seriously how he portrays mental illness and neurodivergencies in his book. I think the story was that he had a friend that was autistic and he wanted the character to be a kinda "nod" to the friend. He didn't realize how insensitive it would be to treat the character as someone who needed to be "cured." One thing that kinda made me uncomfortable was that Raoden basically does blackface. Though it is a fantasy book so it doesn't necessarily feel 1-to-1, though it still made me uncomfortable.
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Donning a disguise really isn't the same as putting on makeup because you will not let a person act in a play.
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If a lighteyes uses those eye drops, is it considered black eye?
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AlternateNu posted:I'd play a U/R Shallan deck. Also Dalinar went from Rakdos to MonoRed to Monowhite through his arc, he also views Kaladin as Boros.
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Whoever said it earlier was right. Dawnshard (Lopen and Rysn) taking place instead of all the Venli garbage in ROW would've been so much better. I loved Dawnshard.
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TGG posted:Also Dalinar went from Rakdos to MonoRed to Monowhite through his arc, he also views Kaladin as Boros. I just finished Words of Radiance, and I would say Dalinar is probably W/g or maybe Bant at this point. There’s a big aspect of unity attached to his actions right now.
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AlternateNu posted:I just finished Words of Radiance, and I would say Dalinar is probably W/g or maybe Bant at this point. There’s a big aspect of unity attached to his actions right now. I'm not really a Magic guy but I can see that. It's even stronger in Oathbringer - unity of politics/purpose and unity of his own identity. NikkolasKing fucked around with this message at 05:14 on Sep 25, 2022 |
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Mordiceius posted:So the main one that everyone (even Brandon) agrees upon is a character gets "cured" of his autism in the finale. It was the criticism that he received for this that really made him really take seriously how he portrays mental illness and neurodivergencies in his book. I think the story was that he had a friend that was autistic and he wanted the character to be a kinda "nod" to the friend. He didn't realize how insensitive it would be to treat the character as someone who needed to be "cured." Oh, huh. I'll have to reread it because I don't remember that.
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AlternateNu posted:I just finished Words of Radiance, and I would say Dalinar is probably W/g or maybe Bant at this point. There’s a big aspect of unity attached to his actions right now. I was with you but straight out of Brandon's mouth Mono White Dalinar. All about that unity in the buff up my troops way.
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Monolith. posted:Oh, huh. I'll have to reread it because I don't remember that. The first one is Kiin's son Adien. The second part is when Raoden masquerades as a Dula around Sarene. My sensitivity to the latter one might also be influenced by the fact that I didn't read the book, I listened to the audiobook. The narrator.... was so bad. And a lot of his accents were quite cringe.
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Mordiceius posted:The narrator.... was so bad. And a lot of his accents were quite cringe. How bad are we talking? 70’s blaxploitation-era jive for the scene in question?
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Grundulum posted:How bad are we talking? 70’s blaxploitation-era jive for the scene in question? He’s just so bad. Listen to his voice here - https://www.audible.com/pd/Elantris-Audiobook/B002V5CMZ8 Most recently, I listened to Warbreaker and tried to get into the regular audio book before giving up and switching to the Graphic Audio and falling in love with it. I’d be tempted to go back and listen to the Graphic Audio for Elantris.
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https://www.tor.com/2022/09/26/read-the-lost-metal-by-brandon-sanderson-chapters-3-4/ chapter 3 and 4 are up!
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Reading through Edgedancer. Anyone else read Wyndle in Liam O’Brien’s Grimoire Weiss voice?
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AlternateNu posted:Reading through Edgedancer. Ok. Just finished Edgedancer. I retract my previous question. Wyndle whimpers too much near the end to be Weiss.
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Spoilers from today’s chapter previews: Casual Hoid reference almost off the bat. “Men of Gold and Red” probably refers to followers of Odium and Trell? Maybe they create an alliance? I really hope it’s not Odium corrupting Trell’s avatar and orchestrating all of this. Let Trell be Scadrial’s big bad
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https://www.tor.com/2022/10/03/read-the-lost-metal-by-brandon-sanderson-chapters-5-8/ Well... that was quite illuminating. At least for me. Thinking about this a bit, I believe I might have figured something out? Rhythm of War spoilers: So Trell is associated with the men in "red and gold". The only shard associated with the color gold is Odium's white and gold color scheme. Plus the red from his habit of corrupting investiture/using corrupted investiture. But the new Odium might change his colors to just gold, or red and gold. And his name starts with a T, just like Trell. Might Taravodium have adopted the Trell moniker because they share the same first letter? Fake edit: I just reread parts of RoW, and Odium sometimes shows up wearing just red and gold... And Wax and Wayne is set between Stormlight 5 and 6. So Trell might just be the newly escaped Odium. That would be a quite worrying development, and probably means bad things will happen to Dalinar and co. And in a way, I feel like neither straightforward outcome of the contest of champions would serve that well to set up the back half of the SA series. If Dalinar wins, Odium is banished to Braize for a thousand years, yet the time skip between SA5 and SA6 is a fraction of that time. So Taravodium somehow voiding the contract he signed with Dalinar, as he alludes to at the end of RoW seems just that much more likely. Unless Odium was just the mid-level boss analogue, and Autonomy for example turns out to be the ultimate Cosmere villain. But why would Brandon replace Rayse with Taravangian as Odium's shardvessel? That makes no sense to me. A really intriguing set of chapters.
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