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And "friendly Borg splinter faction" has been a thing since Voyager, even TNG if you stretch it. So there's nothing really new there. One of Picard's principle issues is that it's a TNG continuation that, by it's stated purpose from multiple top level people involved in its creation, vehemently does NOT want to be a continuation of TNG. So it's been at war with itself ontologically since its inception and has just now in its final year surrendered the battle, gave in, and retooled itself into TNG-2. But it's still not going to actually be TNG-2 because all the ingrained foibles from its last two seasons are still with it, so it will probably suck, but whatever. It's a TV show, I'm not going to start cutting my fingers off over it like some people here are wont to do whenever they see something bad on TV.
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I would be incredibly surprised if it was worse than S2. One of my biggest gripes with S2 is that 90% of the show is 2-3 people in a room talking (which is probably because this was filmed in the middle of Covid). I'm also convinced that when they made S2 they sketched out the beginning and the end, with no real idea of what to put in the middle. I feel like a lot of streaming shows tend to have this problem, and I'm not sure if it's because writing is being rushed in order to get product out the door faster, or what.
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Powered Descent posted:I thought the last episode's detailed callbacks to Balance of Terror worked fantastically well. Redoing Balance of Terror was a ballsy move and I was amazed it worked.
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FlamingLiberal posted:I would be incredibly surprised if it was worse than S2. One of my biggest gripes with S2 is that 90% of the show is 2-3 people in a room talking (which is probably because this was filmed in the middle of Covid). From what I've been able to piece together from various interviews and comments he's made, Terry Matalas only wanted to do Season 3 of Picard, or at least the idea he had for Season 3, but couldn't because of Covid. So rather than put the show into hiatus for a second straight year, they created a compromise season to just get something out there to keep the show's engine running and use it set the stage for the story Matalas actually wanted to tell (ie: kicking all the younger actors off the show to pave the way for the old farts returning en mass). So that's like the only excuse left that I can think of, it was a season no one actually wanted to do, but had to do out of obligation, so that's why it's so low effort and slapdashed. Of course, that hinges on Season 3 somehow actually being good. If Season 3 is good and clearly shows that this was where everyone's real time and effort and passion went into, then the theory is valid, but it's just another C- piece of crap like the other two, then no it was all just bullshit.
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Eimi posted:Picard was so bad it threatened to get Mike to stop liking Star Trek as a concept. That was really well said. Star Trek is about something, about us being the best we can be, about pushing our boundaries and growing as individuals and as a society. Picard... was about 10 episodes a season.
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i think you guys should give picard another shot - they actually went back and made a lot of changes after the initial airing, that fixed all the problems we had with the show. watch it all again and see what you think
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That DICK! posted:i think you guys should give picard another shot - they actually went back and made a lot of changes after the initial airing, that fixed all the problems we had with the show. watch it all again and see what you think read this in Q's voice
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That DICK! posted:i think you guys should give picard another shot - they actually went back and made a lot of changes after the initial airing, that fixed all the problems we had with the show. watch it all again and see what you think This individual is trying to hurt people
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That DICK! posted:i think you guys should give picard another shot - they actually went back and made a lot of changes after the initial airing, that fixed all the problems we had with the show. watch it all again and see what you think I will not be had by this thread
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That DICK! posted:i think you guys should give picard another shot - they actually went back and made a lot of changes after the initial airing, that fixed all the problems we had with the show. watch it all again and see what you think Did they fix it being on a streaming service I have?
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Picard is a perfectly good word cloud of things Patrick Steward doesn't like about Donald Trump. Which they then tried to stretch out for into like 7 hours of television. It was just bafflingly, incoherently weird and bad. Hey remember when quirky science lady had an arc that started with murdering her boyfriend and ending with her eating a car battery then becoming a Borg and it was somehow about how she needed to discover the power of friendship?
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That DICK! posted:i think you guys should give picard another shot - they actually went back and made a lot of changes after the initial airing, that fixed all the problems we had with the show. watch it all again and see what you think THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS!
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Tighclops posted:This individual is trying to hurt people
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This invasion of RLM into the thread won't be complete without this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiHo61Fw8RY I actually haven't seen Picard, but it's pretty accurate to how basically all dialog in every prestige show feels these days
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Pastamania posted:Picard is a perfectly good word cloud of things Patrick Steward doesn't like about Donald Trump. Which they then tried to stretch out for into like 7 hours of television. It was just bafflingly, incoherently weird and bad. I think my unpopular opinion is that Picard Season 1 had some really good ideas and with a little tightening would of been great. They fumbled the landing and the production team clearly didn't care about Trek and that left a sour taste in people's mouths. Season 2 Picard had not as many good ideas but a production team that clearly cared and is an incoherent mess.
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Mooseontheloose posted:I think my unpopular opinion is that Picard Season 1 had some really good ideas and with a little tightening would of been great. They fumbled the landing and the production team clearly didn't care about Trek and that left a sour taste in people's mouths. Season 2 Picard had not as many good ideas but a production team that clearly cared and is an incoherent mess. Picard Season 1 would have benefited from taking a cue from Season 1 of The Mandalorian; tell 8 different yet interconnected stories across episodes 1-8 and then tie them all together in episodes 9 and 10. Picard Season 2 would have benefited from just taking the year off and not even bothering.
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Sep 26, 2022 00:57
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Picard should have been pulled off the bench to be Federation President to save the universe by doing whatever it is Patrick Stewart thought Picard needed to punch or bang is way through, but then Cincinnatus off to his vineyard afterwards never to be seen again.
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Sir Lemming posted:This invasion of RLM into the thread won't be complete without this: Moving from "With the first link, the chain is forged" and his fiery courtroom speech in favor of Data's humanity to pompous, syrupy speeches similar to this is a really sad downgrade for Picard.
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Sep 26, 2022 01:09
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Remember when Worf killed the helmsman? Broke his neck in three places.
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Arglebargle III posted:Remember when Worf killed the helmsman? Broke his neck in three places. That's like eight episodes of TNG. Be specific man!
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I'm start using the phrase "Real Freakasaurus" in real life now.
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Pastamania posted:Picard is a perfectly good word cloud of things Patrick Steward doesn't like about Donald Trump. Which they then tried to stretch out for into like 7 hours of television. It was just bafflingly, incoherently weird and bad. My favorite part was where they took a somewhat annoying tryhard character from Picard S1 and made him really cool and someone I wanted a whole show about then killed him unceremoniously off screen. Like Rios went from a wacky rogue Outrageous Okona with a tragic backstory to a Starfleet captain who, in his brief moments in command in his ship, was as cool as Riker or Pike. And then he died on
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Honestly Voyager isn't even that bad. Like at least its loving Star Trek. I don't what the gently caress Discovery , Enterprise , and Picard are. The only problem with Voyager is that Neelix is on the show and goddamn Neelix is the worst Star Trek character.
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I don't recall S2 Rios being a cool captain. He was captain for five minutes, about all of it he spent yelling orders at his entire crew to stop shooting the Borg queen, which they completely ignored the whole time.
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Hollismason posted:Honestly Voyager isn't even that bad. Like at least its loving Star Trek. I don't what the gently caress Discovery , Enterprise , and Picard are.
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https://twitter.com/70sscifi/status/1574313591225946113?s=20&t=6sJwKpKuq9go_1qNwE7oeA
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John Wick of Dogs posted:I don't recall S2 Rios being a cool captain. He was captain for five minutes, about all of it he spent yelling orders at his entire crew to stop shooting the Borg queen, which they completely ignored the whole time. And then, from the vantage point of the crew, he vanished and the problem was solved.
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Okay "Clues" is a very fun episode. e: "First Contact" was maybe not as fun but was probably even better. Goddamn. Arivia fucked around with this message at 12:36 on Sep 26, 2022 |
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Hollismason posted:Honestly Voyager isn't even that bad. Like at least its loving Star Trek. I don't what the gently caress Discovery , Enterprise , and Picard are. Voyager is great if you're really not paying attention, it's just that any attention reveals how little actual good stuff is in there. What would be the worst Trek crew though? Neelix and Mayweather obviously, and Wesley. But who else are just the worst?
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egon_beeblebrox posted:https://twitter.com/70sscifi/status/1574313591225946113?s=20&t=6sJwKpKuq9go_1qNwE7oeA I would frame a print of this and hang it in my house. There's so much great vintage scifi pulp art out there I would kill for.
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You know I'm sure it's not intentional but Wesley criticizes Geordi's design for a panel to the left of the warp core and says it needs a redundant component or it will blow out. That's the exact panel that blows out in Generations.
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Neelix improves significantly when he and Kes break up.
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That's because when they have one main character trait (Kes's boyfriend) the writers lean into it over and over to the exclusion of other character elements or balance until it's just unbearable. See also Troi being an empath.
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He played a pretty good Ferengi in False Profits
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MikeJF posted:See also Troi being an empath. *alien captain appears on viewscreen* Captain: I'm Captain Kathryn Janeway, of the Federation starship Voyager. This is my counselor, Neel- Neelix: YOU WANT TO gently caress MY GIRLFRIEND DON'T YOU
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BonHair posted:Voyager is great if you're really not paying attention, it's just that any attention reveals how little actual good stuff is in there. Chakotay is such a boring and bland character. He might be even worse than the nothing character of Mayweather, because Chakotay drains the energy from every scene he is in.
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Chakotay was the first and greatest victim of Voyager abandoning the joint crew premise almost immediately. Once they'd decided they weren't going to do anything substantive with the Marquis outside of bad actors like Seska and that guy who tries to sell them out the only hook he has is being a poorly written Native American, the obvious thing they really should have done was made him a combative XO who doesn't just become a Starfleet cog the second he gets the position but lol
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No Dignity posted:Chakotay was the first and greatest victim of Voyager abandoning the joint crew premise almost immediately. Once they'd decided they weren't going to do anything substantive with the Marquis outside of bad actors like Seska and that guy who tries to sell them out the only hook he has is being a poorly written Native American, the obvious thing they really should have done was made him a combative XO who doesn't just become a Starfleet cog the second he gets the position but lol it's the same "all main characters have one trait" problem that Neelix -- they leaned really hard on his vague animism to the exclusion of everything else, and there's very little drama you can milk out of a guy whose only real personality factor is that his spirituality makes him really calm all the time
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