qsvui posted:

nrook posted:

It’s difficult to say the best way Carlsen could have gone about this, but it’s not at all difficult to come up with a better way. If nothing else, he could have withdrawn from the Sinquefield Cup before it started, allowing the organizers to find a replacement player. Similarly, he could have withdrawn from the tournament going on right now.

qsvui posted:

This is completely irrelevant to anything, but I remember a pro CS:GO player got VAC banned in the middle of a match. The thought of an arbiter stopping a chess game in progress and letting a player know that they've been banned for cheating gave me a light chuckle.

busalover posted:

Are any of the big russian players part of the current mobilization? Where does Nepo live?

Promethium posted:

I wasn't aware that Nepo had changed his citizenship (I feel it'd be bigger news if he did?) or even switched federation like some other players. He did publicly oppose the war, but so did Dubov and Esipenko and both of them just played in the Russian Championship the past week.

VictualSquid posted:

He attended without country at the candidates.
The same as happened with Alireza a few years ago, when he left Iran for the tournament and just stayed in France. I assume that Nepo also hasn't returned to Russia since that.

dupersaurus posted:

Ignoring the drama side of the drama, it’s been interesting hearing the discourse about what cheating would look like. I would have never thought that something like the equivalent of someone walking by and tapping you on the shoulderbutthole to watch out would be powerful, but it makes a lot of sense.

dex_sda posted:

Nepo dropped a vid where he elaborates OTB cheating is actually a thing, and that he himself went to the organisers to beef up security (and was denied) when he found out Niemann was participating: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DT7WhzbZPmE

Very clearly implies he thinks Niemann is a GM level player using some sort of assistance - although he admits that's just his feeling. It seems Niemann being a cheater is open knowledge among top players lol.

This drama owns #teamchaos

stratdax posted:

obviously I'm very new to chess but it's kind of funny coming at this with a motorsport fan background where cheating is "they made the entire car at 7/8 scale and nobody noticed" or "there was an extra brake installed on the car" or "they had illegal launch control, but simply refused to hand over the computer code"

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he played Qf6. Obviously this is not something a human would do.

edit: like I get it, using a computer is obviously such an extreme advantage, but I'm talking about the methodology of actually detecting cheaters just by the moves they make.

quote:

At the 2013 Cork Congress Chess Open, a 16-year-old player was found to be using a chess program on a smartphone when his opponent confronted him in the toilets by kicking down the cubicle door and physically hauling him out. The opponent received a ten-month ban for violent conduct. The 16-year-old player was banned for four months for cheating.[75][76][77]

quote:

Mr Mirza (47) has said he is proud of what he did after kicking in the cubicle door at the Metropole Hotel and hauling out his opponent before organisers of the tournament intervened.

stratdax posted:

obviously I'm very new to chess but it's kind of funny coming at this with a motorsport fan background where cheating is "they made the entire car at 7/8 scale and nobody noticed" or "there was an extra brake installed on the car" or "they had illegal launch control, but simply refused to hand over the computer code"

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he played Qf6. Obviously this is not something a human would do.

edit: like I get it, using a computer is obviously such an extreme advantage, but I'm talking about the methodology of actually detecting cheaters just by the moves they make.

Salt Fish posted:

oh there are more...direct methods of detecting cheating.

stratdax posted:

The opponent received a ten-month ban for violent conduct. The 16-year-old player was banned for four months for cheating

hahaha shows where the priorities lie.

dupersaurus posted:

Ignoring the drama side of the drama, it’s been interesting hearing the discourse about what cheating would look like. I would have never thought that something like the equivalent of someone walking by and tapping you on the shoulderbutthole to watch out would be powerful, but it makes a lot of sense.

Wikipedia posted:

In October 2010, Feller scored 6/9 (+5 =2 -2) during the 39th Chess Olympiad and won the Gold medal for best individual performance on board 5. However, the French Chess Federation accused Feller, along with French players GM Arnaud Hauchard and IM Cyril Marzolo, of cheating during the Olympiad. While Feller was in the playing hall, Marzolo was in France where he checked the best moves on the computer. Marzolo then allegedly sent the move in coded pairs of numbers by SMS to Hauchard. Once Hauchard had the suggested move, he would position himself in the hall behind one of the other players’ tables in a predefined coded system, where each table represented a move to play. The French Chess Federation claims, in all, 200 text messages were sent during the tournament.

AnacondaHL posted:

My bet would be, if we see anything, the mechanism will be derived from what has already been tried in poker/blackjack/casinos.

qsvui posted:

There have been some elaborate methods:

Apparently, the dude ended up going to prison for this

stratdax posted:

So did each turn take 5 minutes and there was just a dude constantly sprinting around to different tables? The amount of prep and memorization that must have taken is impressive.

Redmark posted:

I think Magnus hosed up by playing that game against Hans. If he'd withdrawn like he says he wanted, the reactions would be way different. Losing and talking about the bad vibes you got just isn't good enough... even if you're right!

Hand Knit posted:

Oh hell yes, I was worried this was dying down.

Salt Fish posted:

https://twitter.com/MagnusCarlsen/status/1574482694406565888

Salt Fish posted:

Drama update: people are checking hans OTB games going back a few years and finding 100% accuracy for top engine moves in an unexpected number of games. Many of his games are 90%+ top engine especially in a 5 tournament streak. Similar comparisons to Bobby Fischer show he never had a 100% game in his entire career. Arjun Erigasi for example has one 100% game (10 move opening trap).

https://twitter.com/IglesiasYosha/status/1574374153997647874

Meanwhile chess.com released this mysterious statement:



Currently Hikaru is streaming and analyzing his games for % of top engine moves and he is around 50-70% with one example of an 80% game which he considers his best game ever played.

Salt Fish posted:

One other recent drama bit is that last month Hans and Magnus played a few games at the beach:



Alireza was at the event and spoke about it on some podcast recently and reported that Magnus played the black pieces twice and won both games in a blowout fashion, essentially 20 move victories that were very convincing. There is some speculation that this fed into Magnus' suspicion during game 1 of the Sinquefield cup game.

VROOM VROOM posted:

at this point 1) I believe Hans has been cheating his rear end off and 2) I'm glad of it lol lmao

Salt Fish posted:

One other recent drama bit is that last month Hans and Magnus played a few games at the beach:

Alireza was at the event and spoke about it on some podcast recently and reported that Magnus played the black pieces twice and won both games in a blowout fashion, essentially 20 move victories that were very convincing. There is some speculation that this fed into Magnus' suspicion during game 1 of the Sinquefield cup game.