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OneMoreTime posted:Ian Hockley, one of the Sandy Hook parents. This is hitting me insanely hard today. He's able to keep it matter of fact mostly, but when his voice occasionally cracks I just tear up. This is not a 'fun' day folks. Also note that Norm said earlier today that Alex won't be appearing this week. They also scheduled a certain hearing of some kind for Thursday afternoon, I didn't really understand what it was - 'Charging conference' I think?
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Play posted:i have never seen a news program in my life, I'm too dumb to have an opinion about literally anything, and words coming out of people's mouths signify nothing to me. my vision is restricted to a 2 degree cone directly in front of me, as if I were in the darkest cave. i have never had a thought in my life, i refuse to react to external stimuli, and i mysteriously live in the zone between sleep and wakefulness When do you get your star?
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Sep 27, 2022 15:51
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Sep 27, 2022 16:03
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KitConstantine posted:This is hitting me insanely hard today. None of the plaintiff's testimonies are "fun," really. Hell, most testimonies given over the past few weeks have been incredibly dark. Jones' own, while incredible to watch, is dark as gently caress once Mattei gets him to that moment. The only testimony I can think of that's remotely "entertaining" (such as it is) is Paz's testimony, since it's a nonstop parade of plaintiffs' attorneys lining up factual data about Jones' enriching himself on their clients' suffering, with Paz unable to respond with anything other than "lol iunno."
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Sep 27, 2022 16:09
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Even then, Paz was probably the least terrible person involved in this debacle. A hired gun to represent a company, but only giving vague enough yes or no or i dont knows to questions to intentionally gently caress with council. She -is- a lawyer after all, and she was taught under Pattis. I still don't know how that didn't show up as a conflict of interest.
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Faust IX posted:Even then, Paz was probably the least terrible person involved in this debacle. A hired gun to represent a company, but only giving vague enough yes or no or i dont knows to questions to intentionally gently caress with council. She -is- a lawyer after all, and she was taught under Pattis. I still don't know how that didn't show up as a conflict of interest. It's not really a conflict of interest, because they could have had Alex Jones himself represent the company. She being someone the lawyer for the company knows isn't unusual. The fact that she's a sandbag used to weigh down the trial is the egregious part.
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Sep 27, 2022 16:18
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Rampant Dwickery posted:None of the plaintiff's testimonies are "fun," really. Hell, most testimonies given over the past few weeks have been incredibly dark. Jones' own, while incredible to watch, is dark as gently caress once Mattei gets him to that moment. This is ultimately the point, I think, as to why Jones acting the way he does is so gruesome. We have all of this testimony and evidence that shows exactly what hell these parents have gone through, and then the poo poo that Alex added on top of that. What makes it even worse is that when Alex is on the stand, he makes it all about HIM and his own behaviour shows that he hasn't learned his lesson. At all. The man just will not stop. Short of physically restraining him, the only way he can stop doing this is to take away the money that allows him to keep doing this.
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OneMoreTime posted:Apparently Pattis just raised an issue and now we're on a 15 minute recess? Not sure what that's about Apparently the plaintiffs had exhibits that they wanted to introduce today that they didn't show to Norm ahead of time, and apparently Norm doesn't want to default approve it all. So they're going through them all during this break Resumes at 11:30 EST
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That is precisely the point of this ETA: Is there any stream besides the L&C one? I know there was a Reuters one on Thursday, and I hate that the L&C one abetted the very pReSs CoNfErEnCeS that prompted the emergency recess on Friday. Rampant Dwickery fucked around with this message at 16:31 on Sep 27, 2022 |
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Rampant Dwickery posted:That is precisely the point of this Absolutely. It's why whenever I talk to someone about it, I always explicitly mention all of this, because civil cases really do get muddled in public discourse to be about "the money" or whatever, like the McDonald's coffee suit. It's one thing to have an opinion, false or otherwise. It's another thing entirely to propagate that opinion in such a way that it actively harms others, know that it's both wrong and harming people, and not stop. Also, audio's been fixed.
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Faust IX posted:Even then, Paz was probably the least terrible person involved in this debacle. A hired gun to represent a company, but only giving vague enough yes or no or i dont knows to questions to intentionally gently caress with council. She -is- a lawyer after all, and she was taught under Pattis. I still don't know how that didn't show up as a conflict of interest. How would that be a conflict of interest? Paz wants Alex to win as his representative, Paz wants what Norm wants as his student, Norm wants Alex to win as his representative. People involved in a case aren't supposed to be unbiased.
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Sep 27, 2022 16:39
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Eh, I suppose I didn't state that clearly. I meant more along the lines of Pattis and Paz working together on a previous case (not Alex Jones), and her leaving that firm to work on her own. https://casetext.com/case/united-states-v-jones-1969 If I recall correctly, she was the understudy (i'm blanking on the word here), so it's not unlikely that Pattis would understand her thinking process and vice-versa. Might just be me coming up with the wrong words to something much less interesting than I'm seeing it. People change after all, she's probably a better attorney than Norm is now, in my opinion. Back on topic, I feel so bad for Ian up there on the stand. Having half a billion people looking at you, diving into misinformation and lies to attack his character and very real memories of the Sandy Hook tragedy. Edit: god drat is Norm insufferable even in 2016. He really needs to get closer to the loving microphone here.
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red19fire posted:So is anything happening to Alex/Pattis for Friday’s spectacle? Nothing for now. Motion from the plaintiff was dismissed without prejudice, so if something new and awful happens, expect them to renew their request. They weren't asking for anything specific, just for the judge to use her judgment. Pattis indicated that the passed along the request/admonition for Jones not to direct statements at the jury.
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Okay, Pattis isn't paying attention at all today. "We're going to be playing an audio recording from a video deposition" isn't that hard to understand. Especially considering it was done over Zoom during COVID lockdown (unless i got that date wrong).
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Pyrtanis posted:Yeah, props to y'all listening, when I saw it was a parent and the line of questioning was the same one as the others, I dipped out. I don't want to ugly cry today.  Just turned it on and a parent took the stand. I'm not gonna be able to handle that again.
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This trial is a great example of why I did not like being a lawyer. You're either representing someone who has been hurt or someone who calls them a liar. Who is actually right? Doesn't matter. You represent a side, and you have to fight for that side. It is your ethical obligation to do things that personally, you don't like - such as cross examining a domestic violence victim. It is very difficult to compartmentalize the horrors of the world away from your non-lawyer life. This is a big part of why lawyers have massive substance abuse problems.
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Mr. Nice! posted:This trial is a great example of why I did not like being a lawyer. You're either representing someone who has been hurt or someone who calls them a liar. Who is actually right? Doesn't matter. You represent a side, and you have to fight for that side. It is your ethical obligation to do things that personally, you don't like - such as cross examining a domestic violence victim. It is very difficult to compartmentalize the horrors of the world away from your non-lawyer life. This is a big part of why lawyers have massive substance abuse problems. Yeah, I had a roommate that was pre-law and all of her "ethics in law" homework completely turned me off looking into law school. Just the worst freaky cases possible that you are suppose to figure out why the horrible people are right and the people getting poo poo on are wrong.
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Sep 27, 2022 17:57
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Mr. Nice! posted:This trial is a great example of why I did not like being a lawyer. You're either representing someone who has been hurt or someone who calls them a liar. Who is actually right? Doesn't matter. You represent a side, and you have to fight for that side. It is your ethical obligation to do things that personally, you don't like - such as cross examining a domestic violence victim. It is very difficult to compartmentalize the horrors of the world away from your non-lawyer life. This is a big part of why lawyers have massive substance abuse problems. Don't civil law countries in Europe not really have this problem to that degree because of how their courts work?
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Woolie Wool posted:Don't civil law countries in Europe not really have this problem to that degree because of how their courts work? Civil Law in general is less high drama. Usually no juries either and a lot less spectacle.
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Mr. Nice! posted:This trial is a great example of why I did not like being a lawyer. You're either representing someone who has been hurt or someone who calls them a liar. Who is actually right? Doesn't matter. You represent a side, and you have to fight for that side. It is your ethical obligation to do things that personally, you don't like - such as cross examining a domestic violence victim. It is very difficult to compartmentalize the horrors of the world away from your non-lawyer life. This is a big part of why lawyers have massive substance abuse problems. TBH if the culture of lawyers changed such that people would just refuse to represent absolute pieces of poo poo, everyone, lawyers included, would be better off.
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pseudanonymous posted:TBH if the culture of lawyers changed such that people would just refuse to represent absolute pieces of poo poo, everyone, lawyers included, would be better off. It's good that everyone has access to representation actually. Pieces of poo poo with enough money would always be able to find representation anyway.
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Every testimony has been difficult to listen to, but this story about the vitamins broke me.
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Mr. Nice! posted:This trial is a great example of why I did not like being a lawyer. You're either representing someone who has been hurt or someone who calls them a liar. Who is actually right? Doesn't matter. You represent a side, and you have to fight for that side. It is your ethical obligation to do things that personally, you don't like - such as cross examining a domestic violence victim. It is very difficult to compartmentalize the horrors of the world away from your non-lawyer life. This is a big part of why lawyers have massive substance abuse problems. This and so many other reasons are why I know I would never, ever be a lawyer and that I would drink myself to death if I were. I actually know several lawyers and like them as people but...good god gently caress that profession.
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Yeah her talking about having to live in a cul de sac because of paranoia just tipped me over the line. I'm done. I was just barely holding out with the unending depression of it, the shift into also being a loving body-snatchers horror premise is beyond me. I wish I still drank. gently caress.
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I just don't see how you cross-examine this witness. I get you got to do your job as a defense lawyer but hooboy' Edit: oh ok here comes the gun issue
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My Son is is autistic and this testimony is hitting me super hard. Dylan sounds exactly like my Son  Also I wish Pattis would speak into the loving mic
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SalTheBard posted:My Son is is autistic and this testimony is hitting me super hard. Dylan sounds exactly like my Son Same, our youngest is autistic and I hope I never have to explain his older brother being gone to him
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Borscht posted:Dang, David Foster Wallace worked for InfoWars? GOD I knew he looked familiar. Also LOL at the idea of having Alex Jones as your boss and dealing with his bullshit every day.
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I wish Pattis would speak into an oncoming train. In minecraft. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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OneMoreTime posted:Every testimony has been difficult to listen to, but this story about the vitamins broke me. the day after parents testify are the hardest to listen to on his show
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InsertPotPun posted:the worst part is that alex jones just goes "well, i didn't kill those childrfen" and his audience just nods as if that's what he's being accused of. don't listen to his show what's wrong with you
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