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"Why would Russia do this now, instead of midwinter?" I'd say it's probably to show what they can do come midwinter.  A new pipeline between Norway and Poland opened today btw (Edit: The "Baltic pipe" in the pic), it runs through the Baltic a few kms away from todays blasts... https://www.euronews.com/2022/09/27/baltic-pipe-norway-poland-gas-pipeline-opens-in-key-move-to-cut-dependency-on-russia Caconym fucked around with this message at 22:34 on Sep 27, 2022 |
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Nick Soapdish posted:I am sure the ballot was like: Imagine having to hand this ballot to an armed Nazi standing next to the ballot box and giving you the stinkeye in 1938 Austria:  No secret ballot. 99.7% of Austrians voted for the Anschluss, what a surprise! Lemniscate Blue fucked around with this message at 22:34 on Sep 27, 2022 |
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Lemniscate Blue posted:Imagine having to hand this ballot to an armed Nazi standing next to the ballot box and giving you the stinkeye in 1938 Austria: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMZYFqpz1tM&t=16s
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gay picnic defence posted:You don’t think they’re getting Russian money to achieve exactly what you’ve just posted? I don't think Mike Pompeo is, no. that said I also think it's kind of pointless to speculate generally on who is and isn't getting paid to have bad opinions, but I certainly wouldn't disagree that that's 100% a message that russia signal boosts (and China takes advantage of in its own way, too) Nick Soapdish posted:I am sure the ballot was like: poll workers were accompanied by a pair of heavily armed guys in every video of them that I saw Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 22:52 on Sep 27, 2022 |
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gay picnic defence posted:You don’t think they’re getting Russian money to achieve exactly what you’ve just posted? I think Mike Pompeo is a fascist piece of poo poo all on his own.
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https://twitter.com/apmassaro3/status/1574528707997450240/photo/1 I don't get why Americans are getting so butt mad about defense spending/handing assets/weapons to Ukrainians. It's a proud American tradition to outsource our killing power.
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Nick Soapdish posted:I am sure the ballot was like:
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CabooseRvB posted:https://twitter.com/apmassaro3/status/1574528707997450240/photo/1 Not to mention JERBZ. Every HARM given to Ukraine is 2-3 more AARGMs we need to replenish our stocks! Every Javelin needs to be replaced with 2-3 more so we have more to send to them as well as some to keep in reserve for us!
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CabooseRvB posted:I don't get why Americans are getting so butt mad about defense spending/handing assets/weapons to Ukrainians. When was the last time that the US has armed someone fighting against a Christian country? The only one I can think of was over 70 years ago, and also had a lot of right wingers insisting that the US switch sides.
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Nick Soapdish posted:I am sure the ballot was like: https://youtu.be/kasSSZlBFDs
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VictualSquid posted:When was the last time that the US has armed someone fighting against a Christian country? Iran Contra.
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12B is a bargain deal compared to whatever the gently caress the US was spending a loving year in a shithole like Afghanistan, 12B is couch cushion change. Big difference is motivation, 12B dollars worth of arms and ammo, to a motivated populace, makes a hell of a lot more of a difference than trying to completely build the ANA from the ground up even though they really didn't give a poo poo. orange juche fucked around with this message at 00:13 on Sep 28, 2022 |
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orange juche posted:12B is a bargain deal compared to the US spending a trillion dollars a loving year in a shithole like Afghanistan, 12B is couch cushion change. Not to mention we have a good idea of where it's going and it won't just up and disappear
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orange juche posted:12B is a bargain deal compared to the US spending a trillion dollars a loving year in a shithole like Afghanistan, 12B is couch cushion change. Seriously, this is some of the best ROI spending ever. I mean first of all it’s morally correct unless you’re a poo poo eating goblin or Glenn Greenwald. The Taliban, while a security threat (varying degrees now), is nothing compared to what Russia has done to US and still is trying to do to us and the rest of the World, and that’s not even factoring in Ukraine. Also Taliban seems like it’s fine just staying in Afghanistan currently. Hell you could 33.33 of those Ukraine arms packages, before it would equal the minor student debt relief Biden did.
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Pine Cone Jones posted:Not to mention we have a good idea of where it's going and it won't just up and disappear Yeah apparently the US spent "9B" a year in Afghanistan and yeah thats' a fuckin lie, the DOD was funneling cash into any hole that would accept it in hopes of shoring up the Afghan government and military, they just didn't give a poo poo.
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orange juche posted:Yeah apparently the US spent "9B" a year in Afghanistan and yeah thats' a fuckin lie, the DOD was funneling cash into any hole that would accept it in hopes of shoring up the Afghan government and military, they just didn't give a poo poo. It was a long con to trick Russia into trying it with Ukraine.
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orange juche posted:12B is a bargain deal compared to whatever the gently caress the US was spending a loving year in a shithole like Afghanistan, 12B is couch cushion change. Speaking of which, good lord did Biden get us out of Afghanistan at a critical time. Of course he didn't know Ukraine would happen, but that's a call that is looking real good in hindsight.
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Uncle Enzo posted:Speaking of which, good lord did Biden get us out of Afghanistan at a critical time. Of course he didn't know Ukraine would happen, but that's a call that is looking real good in hindsight. Oh absolutely, loving hell I don't think people would be as all-in on the Ukrainian assistance if the US were still in Afghanistan. Biden also hit the right notes when he went all in on assistance for Ukraine calling the US the "Arsenal of Democracy" which, well, we're really good at giving guns to people who want to do things we want them to do.
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Uncle Enzo posted:Speaking of which, good lord did Biden get us out of Afghanistan at a critical time. Of course he didn't know Ukraine would happen, but that's a call that is looking real good in hindsight. Look at this guy who doesn't know Biden planned all this and got out of Afghanistan because he was about to start the war in Ukraine, a thing the US is solely responsible for. 
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Grand Fromage posted:Look at this guy who doesn't know Biden planned all this and got out of Afghanistan because he was about to start the war in Ukraine, a thing the US is solely responsible for. Nonsense, it was NATO!! Oh wait
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From the gibbis threadselec posted:Seems like this is a very obvious lead to follow up on figuring out who did it:
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Pine Cone Jones posted:Not to mention we have a good idea of where it's going and it won't just up and disappear the single most unbelievable thing about this war so far is that there's still zero evidence of any significant american provided material ending up outside of Ukraine. For how much materiel has been handed over, it's incredible that tons of stuff hasn't been popping up all over the place. that said, I would really, really not want to get caught by the SBU trying to smuggle anti-vehicle weapons out of Ukraine right now
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Pine Cone Jones posted:Not to mention we have a good idea of where it's going and it won't just up and disappear Plus when training Ukrainians high odds they are literate & have a steam account, very low odds they will open fire on a visiting general.
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My Spirit Otter posted:From the gibbis thread so far it's been just some Russian propagandists, louise mench and partisangirl, who apparently cleared up time from denying syria's use of chemical weapons against civilians, who are making noise that it was the US who blew up the pipeline. seems weird that russia had a whole media campaign ready to go on that one anyways wake me up when someone with a shred of credibility suggests it was the US that blew it up.
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Hyrax Attack! posted:Plus when training Ukrainians high odds they are literate & have a steam account, very low odds they will open fire on a visiting general. Cs:go player count dropped drastically on the mobilization order. I dont know why you would assume russians dont play vidya
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VictualSquid posted:When was the last time that the US has armed someone fighting against a Christian country? Oh, buddy. https://usafacts.org/articles/how-much-does-the-us-give-other-countries-in-military-aid/
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CabooseRvB posted:https://twitter.com/apmassaro3/status/1574528707997450240/photo/1 Because team butt mad are mad at all spending and the deficit and and and when it's the dems doing it. When it's Republicans... what spending? They're fiscal conservatives. No way they'd increase the deficit. Show them the deficit vs who's in power and its all liberal propaganda.
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orange juche posted:Oh absolutely, loving hell I don't think people would be as all-in on the Ukrainian assistance if the US were still in Afghanistan. One thing I read elsewhere that I felt made a really good point was this: The Arsenal of Democracy isn't just HIMARS and M777s and bullets and rockets. It's satellite photos, bulk shipping, the diplomatic corps, the grain in Iowa, the refined lubricants from the Gulf Coast, hundreds of people making phone calls and teleconferences to friendly Slavic nations sourcing Warsaw pact ammo and spare parts so that they show up where they're needed and when they're needed. If Ukraine makes a phone call tomorrow saying "Hey we could use some train engines." someone on our end can say "Listen buddy, we have yards full of them just sitting around. Pick a model." We've got a cave full of cheese and millions of ton of grain just sitting there doing nothing. America is paranoid prepper land and we were ready for this.
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A.o.D. posted:One thing I read elsewhere that I felt made a really good point was this: The Arsenal of Democracy isn't just HIMARS and M777s and bullets and rockets. It's satellite photos, bulk shipping, the diplomatic corps, the grain in Iowa, the refined lubricants from the Gulf Coast, hundreds of people making phone calls and teleconferences to friendly Slavic nations sourcing Warsaw pact ammo and spare parts so that they show up where they're needed and when they're needed. If Ukraine makes a phone call tomorrow saying "Hey we could use some train engines." someone on our end can say "Listen buddy, we have yards full of them just sitting around. Pick a model." America's true superpower is its absolutely breathtaking industrial capacity married to its ability to direct the output of that capacity to anywhere on the globe in very short order. There has never been anything like it in the history of humanity.
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pantslesswithwolves posted:Referendum results grimmer than anticipated don't tell the ukrainians I said this, but almost all of these really roll off the tongue
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My Spirit Otter posted:From the gibbis thread shame on an IGA posted:amazing how every single pro russia twitter account had that clip of biden queued up and ready to go within an hour of this unforseeable event, such coincidence much wow
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I meant more getaloadathisguy. Coincidentally hes been defending his view fervently in the thread and its funny as gently caress.
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A.o.D. posted:One thing I read elsewhere that I felt made a really good point was this: The Arsenal of Democracy isn't just HIMARS and M777s and bullets and rockets. It's satellite photos, bulk shipping, the diplomatic corps, the grain in Iowa, the refined lubricants from the Gulf Coast, hundreds of people making phone calls and teleconferences to friendly Slavic nations sourcing Warsaw pact ammo and spare parts so that they show up where they're needed and when they're needed. If Ukraine makes a phone call tomorrow saying "Hey we could use some train engines." someone on our end can say "Listen buddy, we have yards full of them just sitting around. Pick a model." Yeah it's like if you have a convincing argument that can motivate the US government to support you, you can have access to just about anything your heart desires, hand delivered, in about 48-72 hours. There's never been anything like it in the history of humanity. Also the cheese cave will never stop being funny. M1A1/A2 tanks etc are a bit of a bigger ask, mainly due to logistical support tails on them, and the fact that Ukraine is doing pretty loving good with the platforms they have already; but if the Ukrainians *actually* wanted them, and not people in the US saying they wanted them, then they would be on train cars along with the poo poo needed to maintain them. orange juche fucked around with this message at 02:02 on Sep 28, 2022 |
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Jesus christ we actually have a contingency on what to do if every refinery and oil field on earth gets nuked, and the luxury to actually implement it. What the gently caress is Putin thinking?
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A.o.D. posted:Jesus christ we actually have a contingency on what to do if every refinery and oil field on earth gets nuked, and the luxury to actually implement it. What the gently caress is Putin thinking? Uhhh.......... I think you are mistaken. That would be nine thousand kinds of horrible.
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mlmp08 posted:Uhhh.......... I think you are mistaken. That would be nine thousand kinds of horrible. The Strategic Oil Reserve is a thing, and NO poo poo IT WOULD BE HORRIBLE What the hell are you trying to say?
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orange juche posted:Yeah it's like if you have a convincing argument that can motivate the US government to support you, you can have access to just about anything your heart desires, hand delivered, in about 48-72 hours. There's never been anything like it in the history of humanity. The "Leopards to Ukraine, M1s to the country that gave them the Leopards" kinda makes sense to me.
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