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OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Tevery Best posted:

Yes, but this polling collapse seems to have happened fairly recently (survation was a swing of 16pp net over 24 days). How do you poo poo the bed so badly in a month on the job, especially when two weeks of that month were a national time out for the Queen's funeral? What caused the housing prices to fall, was it the tax cut announcements? What's that about pension cuts? Why are there calls for a no confidence vote? Is the Bank of England about to go bankrupt? Is the government insolvent? When did all of this happen she's been there a month or effectively two weeks

like I know who liz truss is and that she wants to ape the domestic policies of maggie thatcher and acts like this is a good thing but my knowledge of british politics over the last two years or so has been from the politoons thread

what is going on over there, how do you go from a fairly stable government under bojo the man of teflon to a complete freefall so fast

This is literally the first and only thing she has done since she became PM and everybody hates it. The difference is that johnson was not a pure spiteful neoliberalism elemental and also was much better at presenting himself as a buffoon rather than just a giant intentional piece of poo poo.

They spent months putting a new leader up and basically the first thing she has done is kill the queen, take two weeks off, then spit directly in the eye of every conservative voter personally.

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Inexplicable Humblebrag
Sep 20, 2003

sadly this remains the most easily trolled thread in existence

Ash Crimson
Apr 4, 2010

Tevery Best posted:


Finally a question I feel competent to answer! It's barbecue, although sea salt & vinegar are a great experience as well (but has to be rationed carefully). Variations on chili pepper & lime as a sometimes treat.

You tried those scampi ones?

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Tevery Best posted:

what is going on over there, how do you go from a fairly stable government under bojo the man of teflon to a complete freefall so fast

The main killer was the budget announced on Friday. A declaration of tax cuts worth almost £80bn. When that was announced, that was worth nearly $100bn, now it's worth $85bn.

The crash of the pound and general fiscal malaise is that bankers may be evil, but they are smart. The way the tax cuts are being made cuts away at the parts of the state that help the markets function efficiently. If you see someone obviously incompetent about to poo poo the bed, you roll out of bed ASAP, and the markets indeed pulled their money out of the UK since it's being run by gibbering idiots.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Inexplicable Humblebrag posted:

sadly this remains the most easily trolled thread in existence

carpark

u and me

10 minutes

Ash Crimson
Apr 4, 2010

NotJustANumber99 posted:

yeah, you're determined to come across as a worthless oval office. I wonder why that is?

I genuinely think it's something called rejection sensitive dysphoria, where you push others away before they get a chance to hurt you

Gorn Myson
Aug 8, 2007






Ash Crimson posted:

Whats your favourite flavour of crisp
Thread favourite is pickled onion Monster Munch, I put forward the Co-Op posh salt and vinegar crisps as a god-tier crisp above all else.

goddamnedtwisto is gone, we can resume crisp chat.

Ash Crimson
Apr 4, 2010

Gorn Myson posted:

Thread favourite is pickled onion Monster Munch, I put forward the Co-Op posh salt and vinegar crisps as a god-tier crisp above all else.

goddamnedtwisto is gone, we can resume crisp chat.

I can't stand monster munch, hate the texture

I also hate wotsits

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting

Ash Crimson posted:

I genuinely think it's something called rejection sensitive dysphoria, where you push others away before they get a chance to hurt you

well i dont know anything but this thread often, whilst making GBS threads itself, reveals people that know poo poo about stuff so maybe someone will offer some advice. Even if they don't, you've self diagnosed... er and I'm no expert but yeah seems legit. Find someone to help with that and maybe you can become as positive a poster as me.

josh04
Oct 19, 2008


"THE FLASH IS THE REASON
TO RACE TO THE THEATRES"

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The walkers hot wing flavour crisps are pretty good. I felt right hacked off when they got rid of the KFC branded ones and immediately replaced them with a different chicken flavour that tasted nothing alike though.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Ash Crimson posted:

I genuinely think it's something called rejection sensitive dysphoria, where you push others away before they get a chance to hurt you

FWIW this was why I was addressing your recent posts. I didn't ask for a threadban, I was asking for you to reconsider your posting style. You're allowed to hate this country, especially the English, but specifically picking emotional triggers tends to cause the push-away response you seem to be seeking. I guess there's nothing I can do if it's your own desire, but I do once more ask you reconsider, for your own sake.

And as you'll likely say, it's my opinion which you'll say I'm entitled to. But you're also entitled to hold yourself in higher self-esteem.

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018
I wasn't gonna weigh in before, but if it's worth anything I now think that Ash should be threadbanned because they're just doing the exact same kind of tedious aggro poo poo that got pissflaps banned

Ash Crimson
Apr 4, 2010

Tesseraction posted:

FWIW this was why I was addressing your recent posts. I didn't ask for a threadban, I was asking for you to reconsider your posting style. You're allowed to hate this country, especially the English, but specifically picking emotional triggers tends to cause the push-away response you seem to be seeking. I guess there's nothing I can do if it's your own desire, but I do once more ask you reconsider, for your own sake.

And as you'll likely say, it's my opinion which you'll say I'm entitled to. But you're also entitled to hold yourself in higher self-esteem.

I guess there's something darkly humorous about someone in an advowedly socialist leaning thread advocating such an individualistic take

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting
i think its maybe just your avatar that annoys me

Ash Crimson
Apr 4, 2010

NotJustANumber99 posted:

i think its maybe just your avatar that annoys me

You have avatars on?

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

josh04 posted:

The walkers hot wing flavour crisps are pretty good. I felt right hacked off when they got rid of the KFC branded ones and immediately replaced them with a different chicken flavour that tasted nothing alike though.

I hadn't tried the new ones yet. I assumed they were just the old ones without the KFC branding. If they changed the flavour then gently caress those guys, the KFC ones were drat good.

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


Tevery Best posted:

what is going on over there, how do you go from a fairly stable government under bojo the man of teflon to a complete freefall so fast

Imagine that the country is a person, who the rich and powerful slowly drain of blood like vampires, slowly enough that they can still live and somehow argue that actually it's just the way of things.

Liz Truss walked up to that person on day one and knifed them in the stomach, then said "there, lots of lovely blood for all my vampire buddies!" and gave everyone a big, vacuous grin like this was perfectly normal and fine, no notes needed.

Even the vampires have some basic sanity; slowly gouging the poor is evil but somewhat sustainable, Liz Truss just crippled the entire country immediately without understanding that there's supposed to be some sort of balance and kayfabe to all this. She's dangerously stupid to a speed and extent that has blindsided everyone.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



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josh04 posted:

The walkers hot wing flavour crisps are pretty good.
It's also part of the real Great Reset, getting cheese and onion packets the original colour that Henry Walker wanted them.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Tevery Best posted:

Yes, but this polling collapse seems to have happened fairly recently (survation was a swing of 16pp net over 24 days). How do you poo poo the bed so badly in a month on the job, especially when two weeks of that month were a national time out for the Queen's funeral? What caused the housing prices to fall, was it the tax cut announcements? What's that about pension cuts? Why are there calls for a no confidence vote? Is the Bank of England about to go bankrupt? Is the government insolvent? When did all of this happen she's been there a month or effectively two weeks

like I know who liz truss is and that she wants to ape the domestic policies of maggie thatcher and acts like this is a good thing but my knowledge of british politics over the last two years or so has been from the politoons thread

what is going on over there, how do you go from a fairly stable government under bojo the man of teflon to a complete freefall so fast

The tax cuts were "unfunded", or rather funded by debt, because they'd magically make growth happen apparently. This caused the markets to poo poo themselves, the value of the £ vs the $ dropped 5%, briefly hitting an all-time low of $1.03 on Monday, from about $1.13 on Friday morning before the mini-budget was announced/published.

Bond prices went up, meaning people want more return for apparent additional risk on 10 & 30 year bonds because of that lack of confidence. Part of is the running up debt but part is that the mini-budget seemed to run contrary to what the Bank of England have been doing to try reduce inflation, and that conflict/confusion makes traders panic.

And then on Tuesday the BoE were forced to buy a load of bonds (emergency QE, after a stated policy of QT). This was because the UK market is on the verge of collapse, like, the British pension pots seem to have come perilously close to going the way of Northern Rock in 2007. Which would be catastrophic.

Banks & mortgage providers panicked because they expect a emergency in interest rates and pulled their products after market close on Monday. This seems to have caused about 10,000 pending house purchases to collapse. And when we do have the higher rates confirmed then obviously that means people can borrow less as the interest will be significantly higher. Which probably means the housing market deflates somewhat, or possibly even pops.

All this means either the Tories u-turn on the budget, which seems unlikely, or they have to cut public spending to cover that £45bn hole from these tax cuts. And this is after almost 15 years of austerity as the policy de rigeur of the British government, so there is little fat to cut by way of "efficiency savings" so it's going to have to be public services. They've already announced benefits won't rise this year despite the high inflation and the energy crisis, but what else? The answer is the health service.

TL;DR they did it by causing a run on the pound & nearly bankrupting the pension pots of millions, all to fund taxcuts for the 1%. And they did it in such a transparent way that even their own MPs are suddenly panicking. Oh, also they've basically hidden from public view since the mini-budget announcement when the markets really wanted to be reassured. They have just acted in about the worst way possible at every turn


Ash Crimson posted:

I guess there's something darkly humorous about someone in an advowedly socialist leaning thread advocating such an individualistic take

In which Ash Crimson discovers left-libertarian thought for the first time

Ash Crimson
Apr 4, 2010

Doctor_Fruitbat posted:

Imagine that the country is a person, who the rich and powerful slowly drain of blood like vampires, slowly enough that they can still live and somehow argue that actually it's just the way of things.

Liz Truss walked up to that person on day one and knifed them in the stomach, then said "there, lots of lovely blood for all my vampire buddies!" and gave everyone a big, vacuous grin like this was perfectly normal and fine, no notes needed.

Even the vampires have some basic sanity; slowly gouging the poor is evil but somewhat sustainable, Liz Truss just crippled the entire country immediately without understanding that there's supposed to be some sort of balance and kayfabe to all this. She's dangerously stupid to a speed and extent that has blindsided everyone.

I genuinely think she might be on the spectrum

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?

Ash Crimson posted:

I genuinely think it's something called rejection sensitive dysphoria, where you push others away before they get a chance to hurt you

Hello! I suffer from this as part of my raging ADHD. I don't think it gives you free reign to be a dickhead to people. But I also worry about you - I see you post here and elsewhere and you seem honestly kind of unhappy and it makes me concerned. Please, if nothing else, look after yourself okay? Don't marinate in annoying other people. It's not good for you.

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?

Ash Crimson posted:

I genuinely think she might be on the spectrum

nah that's a poo poo take and a bit insulting

Ash Crimson
Apr 4, 2010

HopperUK posted:

Hello! I suffer from this as part of my raging ADHD. I don't think it gives you free reign to be a dickhead to people. But I also worry about you - I see you post here and elsewhere and you seem honestly kind of unhappy and it makes me concerned. Please, if nothing else, look after yourself okay? Don't marinate in annoying other people. It's not good for you.

I'm unhappy about the fact that i am utterly powerless to do anything other than ride the oncoming waves and hope for the best

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?

Ash Crimson posted:

I'm unhappy about the fact that i am utterly powerless to do anything other than ride the oncoming waves and hope for the best

Yeah, it loving sucks. :/

Ash Crimson
Apr 4, 2010

HopperUK posted:

nah that's a poo poo take and a bit insulting

Cool, well im autistic and i think she might be on the spectrum, especially given how ham-fisted her approach has been, her genuine lack of social skills and how rigid her ideology is

Im trying to give her the benefit of the doubt here ok

Rather than assuming she's intentionally evil

Dabir
Nov 10, 2012

Ash Crimson posted:

I guess there's something darkly humorous about someone in an advowedly socialist leaning thread advocating such an individualistic take

Nobody else can come and type better posts for you

Ash Crimson
Apr 4, 2010

Dabir posted:

Nobody else can come and type better posts for you

I'll pay you to in cheetos and those 99 calorie fibre snacks you find in b and m

Overminty
Mar 16, 2010

You may wonder what I am doing while reading your posts..

So how about those poll figures??!?

WhatEvil
Jun 6, 2004

Can't get no luck.

Overminty posted:

So how about those poll figures??!?

IKR. 20 points ahead, finally. The legends were true.

There's no way at all those numbers hold for a general election, though, and even if they do, like, yay? Red Tories in charge.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I don't honestly know what mechanism the tories have to dig out of this hole, they've essentially torpedoed their whole economic platform and I don't know if they can culture war their way out of it or who they would get to do it, they're stuck between the already unpopular johnson government approach and the wildly unpopular truss government approach.

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting
red tories means a different thing nowadays. given like tories can get not just blue but.... like

The DPRK
Nov 18, 2006

Lipstick Apathy
There's always full fascism. No no no that wasn't a monkey's paw invocation, stop curling nooo

Szmitten
Apr 26, 2008

I really feel like this might be a big dickhead thing to do with consequences for the desperate that you haven't considered and huge potential for significant reprisals for yourself and to maybe reconsider but what do I know.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I think even that might be outside their ideological range, at least the part where you promise some sort of benefit for the ingroup. I think they've been running the scapegoating of outgroups bit for a long time and it's only made everything worse for everyone.

Genuinely think starmer might be better able to pull that off than the tories at this point. Like their best bet at the palingenetic ultranationalism thing I think was johnson and he's pissed about and not done anything with it because he's such a posh failson that he just wants to sit in the big chair and pretend like he's important. Hard to do the whole sweeping away of the old rotten politics thing when you're literally reheating the same bunch of assholes and there is nobody with any vision or competence because your entire organization has been a factory that generates worthless yes men for decades, and you're all utterly mired in the same plodding, sneering, odious little journalism club as everyone else in politics.

I genuinely do not know if any of the established political players in the UK are capable of being proper fascists for the forseeable future, I can only envison it happening from wholly outside the current lot. Some of them might jump ship to it, but I genuinely think that the political system we have is so adept at producing the most boring, uninspiring and uninspired people imaginable that none of them actually have the energy to do a real fascism, just the same grinding bureaucratic misery that the system is set up to produce.

OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 01:11 on Sep 30, 2022

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

Szmitten posted:

I really feel like this might be a big dickhead thing to do with consequences for the desperate that you haven't considered and huge potential for significant reprisals for yourself and to maybe reconsider but what do I know.

Significant reprisals? lol, no. A few local Tories might hate me even more than they do at the moment, but what's going to happen? There will be warm bank places within a stones throw from the Conservative Club that will be open, and I doubt anyone will venture there from my trolling expecting actual warmth and comfort.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Only Kindness
Oct 12, 2016
Dead-o update:

The Queen
Coolio
Laurence Fox's career
Marge The Gathering's marriage
Stadia (of the phrases "What the gently caress is Stadia?" and "Stadia is not shutting down")
This joke don't sign your posts

Tevery Best
Oct 11, 2013

Hewlo Furriend
Thank you very much for all the answers :tipshat:

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

Starmer is the most popular man in Britain.

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Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Nonsense posted:

Starmer is the most popular man in Britain.

Waking up in a cold sweat to this disturbance in the aether.

How you disrespect Ed Sheeran this way.

Now, back to slumber.

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