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GundamHealer
Jul 23, 2022

GolfHole posted:

uhh hmm

the united states of america hates iran. they want iran to die and destabilize. this is well documented by history.

it's why you aren't seeing any of this poo poo on tv. the us doesn't give a gently caress and it doesn't want its populace to give a gently caress to this otherwise EASILY-relatable cause. it screws up the narrative of iran = bad.

it's not organized propaganda dude it's just world politics.

edit: unless you consider politics propaganda. which you should! it is.

Uhhhhhhhh hmmmmmmm HRmmmmmmm I say as I stick my foot deep inside my own throat and then get pissy with anyone pointing out how loving ridiculous I look

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Samovar
Jun 4, 2011

When I want to relax, I read an essay by Engels. When I want something more serious, I read Corto Maltese.
Solidarity forever. Does the heart good to see those flags in Lebanon.

Cartoon Man
Jan 31, 2004


https://apnews.com/article/iran-middle-east-dubai-united-arab-emirates-tehran-b25d75864157bf1e4dff602276346115

Latest on the situation, the government is very worried.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
Unsurpisingly, they're also blaming Amerikkka and the Jews

quote:

Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said Monday protests over the death of a woman in police custody were plotted "by America and the Zionist regime" rather than by "ordinary Iranians," in his first comments on unrest that has swept the country since September 17.

Iran has been paralyzed in three weeks of mass protests triggered by the death of Mahsa Amini in the custody of the so-called "morality police," after she was detained for allegedly wearing the mandatory Islamic headscarf too loosely.

In comments reported by state media, Khamenei said the death of 22-year-old Mahsa Amini "deeply broke my heart," calling it a "bitter incident."

But he said "some people had caused insecurity in the streets," saying here had been planned "riots." He expressed strong backing for the security forces, saying they had faced injustice during the protests.
https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east...c7-fff487380000

Also, Khameni alive? Not really clear since it's all based on state media reporting.

Cartoon Man
Jan 31, 2004


https://i.imgur.com/SIQ22lS.mp4

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

Allah bless these people, it really does feel like change has to happen to end this, and the regime cannot deliver....

Cartoon Man
Jan 31, 2004


More:

https://i.imgur.com/m755tGZ.mp4



Refried Noodle
Feb 23, 2012

Every one of those girls is so loving cool.

Just to double check: there is no way to help these people a bit from outside, right? I want to smash a help button with my wallet, but cant think of one.

KitConstantine
Jan 11, 2013

mobby_6kl posted:

Also, Khameni alive? Not really clear since it's all based on state media reporting.

Apparently he is - gave an address earlier today apparently
https://twitter.com/Alfoneh/status/1576912548510588928?s=20&t=OAbSKAg_KEIj7u5ehn5Gag
https://twitter.com/Alfoneh/status/1576924799561273344?s=20&t=OAbSKAg_KEIj7u5ehn5Gag
Remarks reproduced on his twitter page (!) - not threaded though. Selections below, the rest are in reverse chronological order on his timeline

The start
https://twitter.com/khamenei_ir/status/1576879526860103680?s=20&t=OAbSKAg_KEIj7u5ehn5Gag
Anti Jewish rhetoric immediately following
https://twitter.com/khamenei_ir/status/1576886347151069184?s=20&t=OAbSKAg_KEIj7u5ehn5Gag
There's more but from the middle:
https://twitter.com/khamenei_ir/status/1576909742219612160?s=20&t=OAbSKAg_KEIj7u5ehn5Gag
And End:
https://twitter.com/khamenei_ir/status/1576960039582998528?s=20&t=OAbSKAg_KEIj7u5ehn5Gag
Theory on why it took so long
https://twitter.com/i24NEWS_EN/status/1576981917894852610?s=20&t=OAbSKAg_KEIj7u5ehn5Gag
Looks like the good ol' middle finger has become a protest symbol
https://twitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1576995135313047552?s=20&t=OAbSKAg_KEIj7u5ehn5Gag
https://twitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1576998591776051201?s=20&t=OAbSKAg_KEIj7u5ehn5Gag

2nd Amendment
Jun 9, 2022

by Pragmatica

Refried Noodle posted:

Every one of those girls is so loving cool.

Just to double check: there is no way to help these people a bit from outside, right? I want to smash a help button with my wallet, but cant think of one.

Vote for the most hawkish republican you can in the midterms and then the general election.

hot cocoa on the couch
Dec 8, 2009

Refried Noodle posted:

Every one of those girls is so loving cool.

Just to double check: there is no way to help these people a bit from outside, right? I want to smash a help button with my wallet, but cant think of one.

very cringe d&d style post

PIZZA.BAT
Nov 12, 2016


:cheers:


I'm wondering if conceding the hijab issue will be enough to disarm things or if it will just embolden them more

edit: rereading his tweets i don’t think he’s conceding the issue at all

PIZZA.BAT fucked around with this message at 22:42 on Oct 3, 2022

BIG FLUFFY DOG
Feb 16, 2011

On the internet, nobody knows you're a dog.


PIZZA.BAT posted:

I'm wondering if conceding the hijab issue will be enough to disarm things or if it will just embolden them more

edit: rereading his tweets i don’t think he’s conceding the issue at all

Most of historys revolutions are people being extremely mad about one specific policy or event, the guys in charge standing firm, opportunists and people with grievances then making everyone mad about the policy be mad about other things and the guys in charge then conceding in the policy after the protests have become about everyone who’s ever been mad at them about anything ever. Doesn’t mean the regime won’t win (I think it’s likely since I don’t really see them having a limit to their ruthlessness) but it’s going to end ugly nmw now.

PIZZA.BAT
Nov 12, 2016


:cheers:


Yeah there’s a protest song that’s been played often at all the events i’ve been to and it’s not just about the hijab- it goes over all the grievances the people have with the government and there’s a lot of them. The hijab issue is what kicked things off but just like how it wasn’t JUST about the one woman being killed in custody it’s also not JUST the hijab. I’ve asked a few Persians about this and they agreed- it’s way past the point where just that one concession will be enough to satisfy them.

MarcusSA
Sep 23, 2007

A lot of people are not very happy with the NYtimes coverage of this.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
Who are those people and why are they mad? What's the NYT cover been like?

Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011

PIZZA.BAT posted:

Yeah there’s a protest song that’s been played often at all the events i’ve been to and it’s not just about the hijab- it goes over all the grievances the people have with the government and there’s a lot of them. The hijab issue is what kicked things off but just like how it wasn’t JUST about the one woman being killed in custody it’s also not JUST the hijab. I’ve asked a few Persians about this and they agreed- it’s way past the point where just that one concession will be enough to satisfy them.

It's a small gripe, but maybe don't generalize Iranians as "Persians" (though I guess everyone you spoke to might have been)? Persians make up 60% of the population, and Persia is only a specific region in Southwestern Iran, the country is not Persia nor are all of its people Persians. The woman who was killed was Kurdish and the most significant demonstrations and clashes have been in Iranian Kurdistan, and abroad it seems the Iranian Kurdish diaspora have often taken a leading role in solidarity protests as well.

ekuNNN
Nov 27, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Also, at the protests in the Baloch and Kurdish regions the violence of the Iranian government has been much more brutal, with the army shooting into crowds and bombing border areas

MarcusSA
Sep 23, 2007

mobby_6kl posted:

Who are those people and why are they mad? What's the NYT cover been like?

Social media people.

I guess the NYT has done one story and they are saying the unrest is because of the economy.

PIZZA.BAT
Nov 12, 2016


:cheers:


Randarkman posted:

It's a small gripe, but maybe don't generalize Iranians as "Persians" (though I guess everyone you spoke to might have been)? Persians make up 60% of the population, and Persia is only a specific region in Southwestern Iran, the country is not Persia nor are all of its people Persians. The woman who was killed was Kurdish and the most significant demonstrations and clashes have been in Iranian Kurdistan, and abroad it seems the Iranian Kurdish diaspora have often taken a leading role in solidarity protests as well.

Everyone I speak to identifies as Persian but I also don’t know what the rules are. My girlfriend’s hometown is where this all kicked off and she refers to herself as Persian / Kurdish interchangeably. I’m well aware that the Kurdish region has been receiving the worst of this. Two of her friends are arab-Iranian and they refer to themselves as Persian as well. Maybe it’s just something they say to ignorant foreigners but i’ve never picked up on any of them taking issue with it

PIZZA.BAT
Nov 12, 2016


:cheers:


MarcusSA posted:

Social media people.

I guess the NYT has done one story and they are saying the unrest is because of the economy.

It’s not a wrong take but it’s certainly incomplete. Before these protests started I regularly heard about them talking about how insane food prices were getting back home and how hard it was to get any sort of well paying job unless you went into oil. Just like if you said these protests were ‘just’ about hijabs it’d be incomplete as well.

I also haven’t read the article so idk. If they were saying it was JUST economic factors with no mention of hijabs then that’s pretty terrible reporting but it’s also the NYT, what do you expect

ninjoatse.cx
Apr 9, 2005

Fun Shoe

MarcusSA posted:

Social media people.


:eyepop::eyepop::eyepop::eyepop::eyepop::eyepop::eyepop::eyepop:

Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011

PIZZA.BAT posted:

Everyone I speak to identifies as Persian but I also don’t know what the rules are. My girlfriend’s hometown is where this all kicked off and she refers to herself as Persian / Kurdish interchangeably. I’m well aware that the Kurdish region has been receiving the worst of this. Two of her friends are arab-Iranian and they refer to themselves as Persian as well. Maybe it’s just something they say to ignorant foreigners but i’ve never picked up on any of them taking issue with it

I guess it might be a host country thing, I don't think I've ever encountered "Persian" used much either by or referring to Iranians in Norway, but doing so seems more common in Canada and the United States and possibly the Anglosphere in general.

Still I'd say that referring to the country and inhabitants in general, it's better to use Iranian than Persian, because there is a difference, even though anecdotally the use case might not be as clear cut among (in this case) the Iranian diaspora itself, a thing I'd again hazard to guess might have to do with the words that are used in the respective host countries' languages.

EasilyConfused
Nov 21, 2009


one strong toad

Holy poo poo

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

looks like they havent managed to crush it yet. maybe because the dear leader is about to stroke out and they are in the middle of trying to pick a successor plus all the attempted separatist break away stuff.

2nd Amendment
Jun 9, 2022

by Pragmatica
People who want to give the Shah smooches usually identify as Persian.

ekuNNN
Nov 27, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
This person posts a lot of Iran content, but be warned there is a lot of video of beatings and shootings by government forces
https://twitter.com/no_itsmyturn

20 Blunts
Jan 21, 2017
if we're still chatting about how this is getting covered in the states...i mean NYT had this weird article out over the weekend about how protests aren't working anymore across the globe, concluding with:

quote:

While it is hardly the case that mass protests now necessarily fail in today’s world, their plummeting odds of success may have ripple effects beyond even the decline of democracy.

For one thing, armed rebellion, long disavowed by democracy activists as counterproductive, has seen its effectiveness decline more slowly than that of nonviolent protest, the Harvard data shows, making the two methods now nearly tied in their odds of succeeding.

“For the first time since the 1940s, a decade dominated by state-backed partisan rebellions against Nazi occupations,” Dr. Chenoweth has written, “nonviolent resistance does not have a statistically significant advantage over armed insurrection.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/30/world/middleeast/iran-protests-haiti-russia-china.html

KitConstantine
Jan 11, 2013

Critical Threats summary of the day
https://twitter.com/criticalthreats/status/1577056106383171585?t=9XwD-aT_ns5_c26Pv6S4-w&s=19
https://twitter.com/criticalthreats/status/1577056120329289728?t=knUoiOG2hHQCdr8aNdynDA&s=19
Article link: https://www.criticalthreats.org/analysis/iran-crisis-update-october-3

Selections:

quote:

....

Anti-regime protests increased in number on October 3. CTP assesses with moderate-to-high confidence that demonstrations occurred in at least 18 Iranian cities in 16 different provinces. Iranian social media users documented unrest in the following locations, all of which occurred on or in the vicinity of university campuses:

Karaj, Alborz Province
Tabriz, East Azerbaijan Province (violence reported)
Esfahan City, Esfahan Province
Jahrom, Fars Province
Shiraz, Fars Province
Gorgan, Golestan Province
Kerman City, Kerman Province
Kermanshah City, Kermanshah
Mashhad, Khorasan Razavi Province
Sanandaj, Kurdistan Province
Khorramabad, Lorestan Province
Damghan, Semnan Province
Semnan City, Semnan Province
Birjand, South Khorasan Province
Shahriar, Tehran Province
Tehran City, Tehran Province (violence reported)
Urmia, West Azerbaijan Province
Zanjan City, Zanjan Province

...
Sharif University announced that its classes will be held virtually until further notice.[5] The Iranian Teacher’s Trade Association released a statement urging all teachers and students to boycott classes and join nationwide strikes and protests on October 3.
...

The IRGC likely attacked anti-regime Kurdish militia positions in Iraqi Kurdistan for the eighth consecutive day. An Iraqi media source stated that the IRGC attacked positions in Sidekan, Soran District, Erbil Province.[12] The source said the attack did not cause casualties or damage any property. CTP cannot independently validate this report.

I didn't know the Iranian Teacher's Association was supporting the protests - that seems pretty big.

Tai
Mar 8, 2006
Slava Iran

Toxic Mental
Jun 1, 2019

Just gonna say it - theocratic oligarchy shouldn't be tolerated!

Samovar
Jun 4, 2011

When I want to relax, I read an essay by Engels. When I want something more serious, I read Corto Maltese.
Those girls are braver than I have ever been.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
They seem to be pretty mad!

https://i.imgur.com/EoclevG.mp4

Strategic Tea
Sep 1, 2012

2nd Amendment posted:

People who want to give the Shah smooches usually identify as Persian.

love 2 live in a theocratic hellscape as long as it owns a dictator who has been dead for decades

Strategic Tea
Sep 1, 2012

Toxic Mental posted:

Just gonna say it - theocratic oligarchy shouldn't be tolerated!

No that's imperialist, you have to respect that other people have other cultures, and by other people I mean a few thousand senile priests and bumpkin clan patriarchs who have the right to poo poo on everyone and everything.

exquisite tea
Apr 21, 2007

Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."


Persian is the predominant ethnicity within Iran, which is itself a very ethnically diverse country. People identify as Persian because... they are Persian. That's what they are.

We Got Us A Bread
Jul 23, 2007

exquisite tea posted:

Persian is the predominant ethnicity within Iran, which is itself a very ethnically diverse country. People identify as Persian because... they are Persian. That's what they are.

This. It's usually best to let the people from a country tell you what they are, rather than deciding for them.

PIZZA.BAT
Nov 12, 2016


:cheers:


protests continuing

https://twitter.com/KhosroKalbasi/status/1577277124037132288?s=20&t=e6BJRRjHRVsOhmPgqpeGpQ

https://twitter.com/hdagres/status/1577276850669248513?s=20&t=e6BJRRjHRVsOhmPgqpeGpQ

put behind a spoiler because it's a description of torture
https://twitter.com/AlinejadMasih/status/1577249230535942144?s=20&t=e6BJRRjHRVsOhmPgqpeGpQ

PIZZA.BAT fucked around with this message at 14:16 on Oct 4, 2022

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
https://i.imgur.com/u4VL3jX.mp4

Today. Pixelated by the OP to protect the innocent

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Toxic Mental
Jun 1, 2019

Strategic Tea posted:

No that's imperialist, you have to respect that other people have other cultures, and by other people I mean a few thousand senile priests and bumpkin clan patriarchs who have the right to poo poo on everyone and everything.

lol That's Western colonialist ideology!!!

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