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Twincityhacker posted:...I miss Geocities. It might not have been morr than the barebones of a website, but it was mine. Neocities is its spiritual successor
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Jaxyon posted:Never underestimate the influence of the Webring That was the Xanga era, that's too modern. No more hyperlinking. Learn MLA or AP style and block quote. Also forcibly lock the infrastructure to 56k again. Medical and government systems can have DSL.
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Twincityhacker posted:...I miss Geocities. It might not have been morr than the barebones of a website, but it was mine. For some reason, I miss links that went to pages that just said "under construction" in a format that looked like a roadwork sign. My geocities page had my quake 3 maps on it.
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Crain posted:That was the Xanga era, that's too modern. No more hyperlinking. Learn MLA or AP style and block quote. I definitely was part of both geocities and angelfire webrings in middle school (96-99) and also spent a lot of time in Yahoo games chat rooms
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Meatball posted:For some reason, I miss links that went to pages that just said "under construction" in a format that looked like a roadwork sign. <blink>UNDER CONSTRUCTION</blink>
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My geocities page had an embedded Metallica midi No, I'm not sorry
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Paracaidas posted:Justice has made a motion to expedite their Cannon appeal Trump has filed his reply, and it amounts to "nuh uh". They'd like oral arguments to begin no sooner than January of 2023 (  ) and argues in conclusory fashion that the government "cannot possibly be prejudiced" if the appeal drags on as long as Trump would like and that the govenrment "has not and cannot possibly articulate any real risk of loss or harm resulting from a more deliberative process".I've included in this post the sum total of their cites to back these arguments: 
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BlueBlazer posted:The act of a recommendation is a form of editorialization that should have to allow for human consent. I frankly hope for a Dune style Jihad that wipes algorithmic decision making off the map. I’m trying to think of exactly how the SC will carve out a position to allow right wing rhetoric to flourish while also forcing other content to be blocked (from porn and gore to promotion of leftist ideas to just being a LGBTQ human being). It’s obvious that rules and laws mean nothing to the court so I’m curious what pretzel they’ll mold themselves into and the long term strategy to set up future cases.
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Star Man posted:I feel like "date rapist" is also in that job description. Thank you for your service
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Baronash posted:Cool, now do white supremacists. Or Q. Or anti-vaxxers.  I've never claimed that Youtube shouldn't take more responsibility or that they're my friend? And, like my previous example, I think the better way to fight white supremacy/Q or similar conspiracy theories/anti-vaxxers is to fight it on a higher level, instead of playing whack-a-mole with various individuals posting videos  Especially when it could have a chilling effect on good content that exists
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Kalit posted:
What does fighting white supremacy on "a higher level" even mean when "various individuals posting videos" are the folks driving these respective movements? They are the sources of disinformation, they are the radicalization pipeline, and they are using their access to these platforms to accomplish their goals and monetize their message.
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Twibbit posted:Neocities is its spiritual successor Geo-tokyo is about to E.X.P.L.O.D.E
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Baronash posted:What does fighting white supremacy on "a higher level" even mean when "various individuals posting videos" are the folks driving these respective movements? They are the sources of disinformation, they are the radicalization pipeline, and they are using their access to these platforms to accomplish their goals and monetize their message. By "a higher level", I mean through things that will make a more, permanent impact versus something like "out of sight, out of mind"*. I know this is vague, but that's because it's probably slightly different for each issue. But, as a high level view, I think educating people from an early age is extremely important. Also, giving support to those who need it so they don't feel left behind and turn to [bad] radical ideas. *My words, not trying to put words in your mouth. I just feel like it's easy to fall into thinking X is becoming a worse issue because the internet has given it more visibility, even though it's less of an issue now than it had been in the past. Kalit fucked around with this message at 21:47 on Oct 3, 2022 |
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Kalit posted:By "a higher level", I mean through things that will make a more, permanent impact versus something like "out of sight, out of mind"*. I know this is vague, but that's because it's probably slightly different for each issue. But, as a high level view, I think educating people from an early age is extremely important. Also, giving support to those who need it so they don't feel left behind and turn to [bad] radical ideas. "Higher order" might be clearer than "higher level" for that meaning. Policies addressing such activities would need to vary by subject content, and would need to come from multiple directions- education is probably one of the hardest places for government regulation to directly address them, because it's another highly protected area. As I've discussed in the past, product regulation is a core element to this activity because many forms of extremism are self-perpetuating due to a profit motive- alt-med and antivaxx and many fringe political groups persist because there's a direct or indirect way to sell something to participants. Improved regulation and enforcement of tax preparers, MLMs and dietary supplements would remove the incentives that drive people like alex jones or many right wing fringe groups.
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Kalit posted:Trying to go after individuals posting videos is not very effective. In my naïve view I think it's very, very naive to think that the content hose that gets directed at youtube, etc, is just a few uncoordinated "individuals." Just look at the algorithmically created children's videos. It's shells of shells of shells, coming from just a few sources but distributed through an exponential number of channels. If ISIS or white supremacists have their poo poo more together than Spiderman and Batman pooping on Elsa then I think a larger hammer is warranted. Paracaidas posted:It's stupid because "someone uploaded a terrorist video and your algorithm promoted it" is indistinguishable from "someone uploaded a terrorist video and you have an algorithm", and for all the many horrors of youtube and facebook's engagement strategies, "you lose all liability protection for user content if you do any curation, moderation, or serve content in anything but a purely random way" is a godawful and worse solution. I don't think those two are indistinguishable. There's a difference between a terrorist video being uploaded on to a server and then sitting there until someone searches for it by name, versus pushing the terrorist video in front of users because the algorithm detects it's getting great engagement. I think there may be a vast middle ground between "purely random" or no content delivery and "getting sued for any and all user content." Youtube, TikTok, Instagram, etc are making a ton of money and just straight up ignoring a lot of problems because that problematic content generates engagement. They can survive being forced to sacrifice some of that engagement by being more strict and/or better moderating the content some randos and huge webs of shell companies fire hose onto their platforms. Does this court case lend itself to that nuance, though? Barrel Cactaur posted:Changes to 230 are too complex for the binary of a courtroom. You need actual reforms to the underlying law (you almost certainly don't, but alas) Maybe not, but perhaps we can get better written laws and actual enforcement of those laws so you don't have people across the political spectrum crying for blood. Or maybe we just move on with our lives when the internet ceases to exist.
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https://twitter.com/AnthonyMKreis/status/1577005406593122305?s=20&t=UgnO6vt2cBKFPzpWYQCE0Q https://twitter.com/web_rant/status/1577046034454233088?s=20&t=UgnO6vt2cBKFPzpWYQCE0Q https://twitter.com/Splatterthought/status/1577040866942021633?s=20&t=UgnO6vt2cBKFPzpWYQCE0Q
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The issue is not simply that nazis make youtube videos, but that the algorithm grabs and circulates them widely, giving them an advantage over other videos and basically guaranteeing that everyone will see one eventually. There’s a reason that every middle-school boy in America is repeating Andrew Tate’s lines, and it’s not because he’s clever.
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cgeq posted:I don't think those two are indistinguishable. There's a difference between a terrorist video being uploaded on to a server and then sitting there until someone searches for it by name, versus pushing the terrorist video in front of users because the algorithm detects it's getting great engagement. The hard part here is creating an algorithm that performs the task of sorting videos while never serving a terrorist recruitment video. Like showing the newest videos first doesn't work because there's no guarantee the newest video isn't from ISIS.
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Zotix posted:What's going on with Credit Suisse? Is it Lehman Brothers 2.0 this week like some people are alluding to? This goes back a page, but external analysts are saying that Credit Suisse does not present a systemic risk the way that Lehman did. They may present the same risk to themselves and/or other European banks, but it's unlikely to affect US markets. Link here. quote:“We struggle to see something systemic,” analysts at Citi said a report about the possible “contagion impact” on U.S. banks by “a large European bank.” The analysts did not name Credit Suisse.
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Kalit posted:
That's why this lawsuit isn't targeting individuals posting videos. It's targeting the algorithm that detects "this person might be open to white supremacist ideology and conspiracy theories" and starts filling their recommends and autoplays with white supremacist conspiracy theory videos.
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James Garfield posted:The hard part here is creating an algorithm that performs the task of sorting videos while never serving a terrorist recruitment video. Like showing the newest videos first doesn't work because there's no guarantee the newest video isn't from ISIS. I don't think it would be an issue if the video gets served by an algorithm that treats all content equally (sorting by timestamp or alphabetically, etc). That would prevent any video from exploiting a positive feedback loop and so when it gets reported or otherwise moderated there shouldn't be a conflict of interest that results it in staying on the platform instead of being removed because its engagement numbers are just too good. It takes away one (of the many) tools hate groups have to get their messages out and it hampers the platform from making money off them. Sure, it takes away that tool from minorities and left groups but lol the platforms are already hostile. cgeq fucked around with this message at 23:42 on Oct 3, 2022 |
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Hey so in case you were worried there wasn't systemic sexual misconduct and toxic leadership in every women's sport, I have terrible news for you https://www.kslaw.com/attachments/000/009/931/original/King___Spalding_-_Full_Report_to_USSF.pdf?1664809048 quote:On October 2, 2021, the U.S. Soccer Federation (“USSF” or “the Federation”), the official governing body of the sport of soccer in the United States, retained Sally Q. Yates and King & Spalding LLP to conduct an independent investigation into allegations of abusive behavior and sexual misconduct in women’s professional soccer.
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Dick Trauma posted:https://twitter.com/AnthonyMKreis/status/1577005406593122305?s=20&t=UgnO6vt2cBKFPzpWYQCE0Q This is really brilliant and really funny at the same time, and very much worth reading. I hope it does some good.
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https://twitter.com/sollenbergerrc/status/1577071370457923584?s=46&t=znFWX9IdAnYoWSkTYw-_LA I know people always joke about conservative politicians secretly paying for abortions but generally they aren’t stupid enough to send get well cards to the girlfriends for whom they paid! I want to believe this could move the needle a little but I’m just not sure in 2022.
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cgeq posted:I don't think it would be an issue if the video gets served by an algorithm that treats all content equally (sorting by timestamp or alphabetically, etc). This would be an absolutely nonsensical site. You'd be constantly suggested absolute random poo poo that has nothing to do with one another, and the system would immediately be gamed by people naming things AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA or constantly reuploading The issue of these videos being surfaced to people is only an issue because these videos are on the site to begin with. YouTube and other sites are delinquent in their moderation rules and processes. They should be removing this poo poo from the site and then there'd be no problem. Like, their algorithm is effective. Most of what I watch on YouTube is cooking videos. Consequently i have genuinely never been surfaced one of these white supremacist videos, but what I have been suggested is great cooking videos from users who are similar to those that i came to the site to watch. The algorithm itself is not the problem and eliminating it will not ameliorate this situation until and unless the actual content is removed
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Fifteen of Many posted:https://twitter.com/sollenbergerrc/status/1577071370457923584?s=46&t=znFWX9IdAnYoWSkTYw-_LA Like this guy is easily one of the worst candidates the GOP has run in a very long time and he's consistently within a handful of points and 538 rates that race as a toss-up.
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FlamingLiberal posted:It's probably not going to matter that much, to be honest Yeah, the whole "See, I WAS a baby-killing decadent rear end in a top hat before I saw Jesus' light!!" is a well-established trope in conservative politics by now.
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Sephyr posted:Yeah, the whole "See, I WAS a baby-killing decadent rear end in a top hat before I saw Jesus' light!!" is a well-established trope in conservative politics by now.
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Fifteen of Many posted:https://twitter.com/sollenbergerrc/status/1577071370457923584?s=46&t=znFWX9IdAnYoWSkTYw-_LA The funniest part is that Walker's campaign kept actively reaching out to her to try to get her to endorse him. quote:The woman, a registered Democrat who still communicates with Walker, said he did not tell her about his plan to run for the Senate before his announcement in August 2021. Since then, however, one of Walker’s top surrogates has asked her repeatedly if she would be willing to vouch for his character, reaching out as recently as this August.
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Main Paineframe posted:That's why this lawsuit isn't targeting individuals posting videos. It's targeting the algorithm that detects "this person might be open to white supremacist ideology and conspiracy theories" and starts filling their recommends and autoplays with white supremacist conspiracy theory videos. I was trying to speak to the broader point of what projecthalaxy posted for combating these ideals. But focusing on the lawsuit itself, is this an actual issue? Like my previous comment, white supremacist/etc is more visible, but are YouTube/etc algorithms indoctrinating these beliefs into people at an increasing rate? This study indicates that this isn’t the case. Granted, I’m not well versed in this area and am on my phone. So this is the first result I found with a generic Google search. Please correct me if there are other studies that contradict this Kalit fucked around with this message at 03:09 on Oct 4, 2022 |
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His son, uh, appears to have had enough https://twitter.com/ChristianWalk1r/status/1577101530586484736 https://twitter.com/ChristianWalk1r/status/1577104266543497216
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Looking at the rest of that account, it’s definitely a Worst Person You Know Made A Great Point situation
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sniper4625 posted:His son, uh, appears to have had enough Is this guy legit? He’s still putting out pro-Desantis stuff elsewhere on that account. Weird poo poo.
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He's an avowed right-winger and is a "I'm gay but not one of those lgbt types!" transphobe. Also loves to whitewash systemic racism.
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OPEC really hates our Brandon. https://mobile.twitter.com/nytimes/status/1576933847526170632
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cgeq posted:I don't think those two are indistinguishable. There's a difference between a terrorist video being uploaded on to a server and then sitting there until someone searches for it by name, versus pushing the terrorist video in front of users because the algorithm detects it's getting great engagement. quote:"you lose all liability protection for user content if you do any curation, moderation, or serve content in anything but a purely random way" cgeq posted:I think there may be a vast middle ground between "purely random" or no content delivery and "getting sued for any and all user content." cgeq posted:Youtube, TikTok, Instagram, etc are making a ton of money and just straight up ignoring a lot of problems because that problematic content generates engagement. They can survive being forced to sacrifice some of that engagement by being more strict and/or better moderating the content some randos and huge webs of shell companies fire hose onto their platforms.
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https://twitter.com/MacFarlaneNews/status/1577035026373672960 I think Florida has an anti-slapp law? Not a lawyer but I doubt this goes through.
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Bugsy posted:https://twitter.com/MacFarlaneNews/status/1577035026373672960 As a ianal, lmao
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Bugsy posted:https://twitter.com/MacFarlaneNews/status/1577035026373672960 He’s probably trying to get this in front of the corrupt judge who just appointed a special master for him.
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