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Two days in, making steady progress until I read a book so boring it killed me. Fell on my rear end trying to punch Cuno, I deserve this.
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NoEyedSquareGuy posted:I read a book so boring it killed me i had to drop out of university to avoid the same fate irl
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King Carnivore posted:It’s one of the few ways you can actually “gently caress up” a run I stumbled into one of the other ways on my first run... I got soft locked because I broke into the old gym behind the bookstore right around 2100, couldn't go back into the bookstore because it was closed, and couldn't go deeper into the DCA because I didn't have a flashlight
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if im gonna a totally non-gamer to play DE, is it worthwhile giving them a build that has a good chance of succeeding in the checks required to talk to the phasmid and if so, what would i want to tell them to invest in? (its been too long since ive played to remember exactly how that works)
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While that part is very cool, I think you lose a huge part of the experience and pleasure by being railroaded by someone else. It is probably the most actual role playing game I can remember and the thing I (and others I know) most like about it. I think limit advice to: - there are no wrong decisions and failing rolls is not a bad thing - you can click on the plus button above your health/morale to heal yourself, even if you’re about to die (if you have items) is enough.
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Verviticus posted:if im gonna a totally non-gamer to play DE, is it worthwhile giving them a build that has a good chance of succeeding in the checks required to talk to the phasmid and if so, what would i want to tell them to invest in? (its been too long since ive played to remember exactly how that works) That check's determined way more by the modifiers than by your skill levels (I never leveled up the corresponding skill in my entire run and passed the check with 1), so I don't think that in particular would be a problem. Only build advice I'd suggest for a non-gamer would be giving them more than 1 in PSY and PHYS, since dying while grabbing a tie in the first few minutes of the game can be a funny anecdote for regular players but I'd imagine it would be extremely frustrating for someone who just wants to see what's the big hubbub and now has to sit through the entire opening monologue again.
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Oct 9, 2022 01:47
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Verviticus posted:if im gonna a totally non-gamer to play DE, is it worthwhile giving them a build that has a good chance of succeeding in the checks required to talk to the phasmid and if so, what would i want to tell them to invest in? (its been too long since ive played to remember exactly how that works) Deciding which skills to invest in is part of the fun, like Sticko says there's no objectively better build and it's made for postgame "holy poo poo, you can do that?" discussions If they are stuck though, IIRC Inland Empire is the main check gating that and Electrochemistry gives you a bonus, I think you have a good chance of making the check if you start with the Sensitive build
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Oct 9, 2022 01:49
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my run with points only in physique and motorics and the ultraliberal quest continues to be absurd in the best way. Filled up my thought cabinet to get secondary PSY and INT points, but this has been ridiculous. (Ok, I did put one point into inland and esprit de corps but that’s it) Highly recommended if anyone wants to try it. I’ve never fully filled the thought cabinet before, and it rules.
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Oct 9, 2022 01:59
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Verviticus posted:if im gonna a totally non-gamer to play DE, is it worthwhile giving them a build that has a good chance of succeeding in the checks required to talk to the phasmid and if so, what would i want to tell them to invest in? (its been too long since ive played to remember exactly how that works) It's not that simple, but in general just have them go with at least 3 PSY anyway because first-time players deserve the necktie experience when they go downstairs
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Oct 9, 2022 03:21
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just tell them two things: 1) keep calling 2) don’t wash off the pheromones
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ziasquinn posted:just tell them two things: No, don’t call Abigail!
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successfully made it into the shipping container and uhhhh failing the conceptualization check with the mega rich guy and trying to sell him on a RPG and him saying “yeah been there funded that the creators are failures” hits REAL DIFFERENT THIS WEEK
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Oct 9, 2022 05:15
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That guy's modeled after one of the IRL investors who just hosed them over so... yeah.
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SexyBlindfold posted:That guy's modeled after one of the IRL investors who just hosed them over so... yeah. yeeeeaah I remember seeing somewhere it was a “homage” to one of the two lmao
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Sticko posted:While that part is very cool, I think you lose a huge part of the experience and pleasure by being railroaded by someone else. It is probably the most actual role playing game I can remember and the thing I (and others I know) most like about it. I think limit advice to: I'd add some very general advice around that the game gives you a ton of tasks early on, but just to chill and do whatever they want and that there isn't really any time pressure.
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Oct 9, 2022 12:23
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SixFigureSandwich posted:I'd add some very general advice around that the game gives you a ton of tasks early on, but just to chill and do whatever they want and that there isn't really any time pressure. One step at a time in the cold wind and snow. *mournful trumpets can be heard in the distance*
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Oct 9, 2022 12:32
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Verviticus posted:if im gonna a totally non-gamer to play DE, is it worthwhile giving them a build that has a good chance of succeeding in the checks required to talk to the phasmid and if so, what would i want to tell them to invest in? (its been too long since ive played to remember exactly how that works) You don't get that from a check, you talk to them if you complete the proper quest. I hadn't completed the proper questline (Cryptozoologists) and there was a Target Number 20 Electrochemistry check in the way. Save scummed more than thirty times before I caught the game rolling double sixes and failing me anyway. The price for me cheating was saving after I drank some commodore red to boost my physical, which (A) didn't help, (B) was the only time in the game I drank, and (C) came up at the RCM officer tribunal.
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Mystic Mongol posted:You don't get that from a check, you talk to them if you complete the proper quest. I hadn't completed the proper questline (Cryptozoologists) and there was a Target Number 20 Electrochemistry check in the way. Save scummed more than thirty times before I caught the game rolling double sixes and failing me anyway. The price for me cheating was saving after I drank some commodore red to boost my physical, which (A) didn't help, (B) was the only time in the game I drank, and (C) came up at the RCM officer tribunal. Even if you got the pheromones to make it possible you do still need a white Inland Empire check to actually talk to them, and a red Electrochemistry check to even approach. But you can have pretty big bonuses to the checks as someone mentioned.
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I'm going to spoiler tag all this for folks going through the game for the first time. It's all endgame stuff. For me the overwhelming beauty of that scene came because I had, in my brain, completely given up on the cryptid, but spitefully went through the motions of hope anyway because I cared about the people involved. The cryptid subplot was presented as an absurd waste of time busy work side quest. That's gonna be the best kind of quest in a game like this, so I was all in from the start, especially since Lena was so nice to me right from the start, when I had only the barest conception of the world (and an embarrassing need for money). The best trick was that there was actually a really solid and conclusive ending to that quest. After running around, meeting and talking to everyone involved, you can eventually find out that Lena doesn't fully believe what she saw. It's so fundamental to her relationship though that she's really anxious. Everything becomes thematically clear: like communism, even if it never existed, what's really important is what they built together. The truth isn't important, love is. I thought this was a really touching and meaningful message. I decided it wasn't important if the cryptid was materially real, because it was so obviously emotionally real. I had them spray me with pheromones and checked all the traps again and never bathed, not to find the cryptid that I couldn't really believe in, but because I believed in Lena's love. And then that plot was over and it was time to deal with the murder at last. And it turned out the murder was about communism, women, lost ideals. A great finale to the game. A melancholy reflection on personal connections in a fallen world. Except then, out of nowhere, the Insulindian Phasmid is right there. Honestly, my first reaction was to think I had finally lost it. There were even dialog options implying I had realized I finally lost it. But there was an option to ask Kim. When Kim said he saw it too- that's the moment I broke down. I was not at all emotionally prepared. I was completely blindsided by the beauty of the Phasmid's words. Just the fact of it changed everything. And it spoke of hope and humanity. It was one of the most moving things I ever experienced. That all is to say, I would personally not tell new players to keep the pheromones on. If I had been told that I would be waiting for a payoff. The experience I had was as overwhelming as it was because I had convinced myself it wasn't going to happen. I got to experience the impossible. Everyone will have a different experience, and I get the feeling of not wanting someone else to miss out, but this game has just gotta be experienced in its own terms.
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Eiba posted:I'm going to spoiler tag all this for folks going through the game for the first time. It's all endgame stuff. A+++++
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SexyBlindfold posted:That guy's modeled after one of the IRL investors who just hosed them over so... yeah. While they're pissed off, from the tone of their messages they don't seem exactly shocked that they got screwed over. Sounds like they knew exactly the sort of people they were dealing with.
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I've been through four times and I didn't even know there was an option to remove the pheremones... I was just humoring the old guy and didn't think it had any impact on the game. haha
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Doing all the tasks out of order is cool too; gonna have different reactions to things depending on what you’ve already seen and some checks will either be way easier or way harder. Every little side quest and story is fun and worthwhile. I wish I was playing it again for the first time; I’m not really a “complete everything” kind of gamer so I missed out on so much my first time. There will be a questline relating to a church; the payoff is worth all the running around.
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Eiba posted:I'm going to spoiler tag all this for folks going through the game for the first time. It's all endgame stuff. Yeah, the most advice I would give to a new player who wants it would be "have an open mind" so your preconceived cynical notions about games don't cloud your judgment.
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I tell new players to set their physical stat to 1 and reach for the tie first thing.
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Eiba posted:I'm going to spoiler tag all this for folks going through the game for the first time. It's all endgame stuff. Well stated. The Phasmid is just such an utterly impossible miracle, perhaps a symbol for revolutionary hope in the wreckage of history. I think a lot of people sleep on the symbolism of it, but it coupled with the final dream represent a full swing from the depths of despair to hope for the future. It's beyond beautiful, and low-key some of the funniest lines in the game. "She was middle-class, it doesn't take a three meter insect to tell you that."
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Eiba posted:That all is to say, I would personally not tell new players to keep the pheromones on. If I had been told that I would be waiting for a payoff. The experience I had was as overwhelming as it was because I had convinced myself it wasn't going to happen. I got to experience the impossible. extremely agreed
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I also hope that the convention of "do whatever" eventually and somehow makes into the annals of game design, in terms of rpg character planning or however you may want to call it of course that will require rethinking games having failure states as new avenues instead of penalties, but one may hope
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the escape goat posted:my run with points only in physique and motorics and the ultraliberal quest continues to be absurd in the best way. Filled up my thought cabinet to get secondary PSY and INT points, but this has been ridiculous. (Ok, I did put one point into inland and esprit de corps but that’s it) You're not an ultraliberal, Harry. Get the gently caress out of here. Don't be a... 
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Anyway, speaking of Insulindean plasmids, I want to talk about Insulinde. Specifically the word, and where it comes from. In Disco Elysium's world an interesting mix of European languages is used, like Finnish, French, English and Dutch. It is from the latter they likely pulled the world Insulinde. As you may know, the Netherlands used to be a colonial empire, and the biggest, most important colony it possessed was Indonesia, then called the Dutch East Indies. A popular pet name used by the Dutch, though never seeing any official usage, was insulinde. The word deriving from Latin "insula" and "indiae", for Indian Islands. The word Indonesia is derived similarly, but from Greek rather than Latin. From what I can find, English has a similar word, insulindia, which is also sometimes applied to the Dutch East Indies colonies, and/or the Portuguese East Indies colonies, and/or French colonial possessions in the region as well. Though since Disco Elysium uses specifically "Insulinde" as the name of its isola, and features other Dutch references as well, I think it likely the source is the Dutch usage. The most famous Dutch usage is by Dutch writer Eduard Douwes Dekker, aka Multatuli, in his book Max Havelaar. Still seen as the most important Dutch literary work today, it is an indictment of Dutch colonialism in Indonesia written in the mid 19th century, informing Dutch citizens that their wealth originates from the suffering of the Indonesian people, and ends with a direct plea to king William II to intervene on behalf of his Indonesian subjects. It is in this last chapter that we find the passage: "...’t prachtig rijk van INSULINDE dat zich daar slingert om den evenaar, als een gordel van smaragd..." which translates to: "... the beautiful land of INSULINDE which there swings itself around the equator, like an emerald girdle..." The book is credited with majorly contributing to the eventual implementation of the Dutch Ethical Policy some 40 years after its publication. One of the main parts of this was providing education to at least some of the Indonesian population. Just citing directly from Wikipedia here: "Indonesian novelist Pramoedya Ananta Toer argued that by triggering these educational reforms, Max Havelaar was in turn responsible for the nationalist movement that ended Dutch colonialism in Indonesia after 1945, and which was instrumental in the call for decolonization in Africa and elsewhere in the world. Thus, according to Pramoedya, Max Havelaar is "the book that killed colonialism"" The book has been translated in over 40 languages, including Indonesian finally in 1972, where as far as I can tell it remains popular. Also the revolutionary leaders of the Indonesian independence movement featured a significant contingent of communists. Following independence the policy was to position itself in a non-aligned role in the Cold War. As the first president, Sukarno, started relying more on the communist party in the 60s, declaring his government based on "Nasakom", ie. nasionalisme, agama (religions) and komunisme. Guess what happened next? If you guessed US-backed military coup followed by the mass killings of at least half a million communists, leftists, suspected leftists and ethnic Chinese, you are correct, but as usual win no prizes. I can recommend the documentaries "The Act of Killing" and "The Look of Silence" if you want to know more about the mass killing part and also feel horrible. Anyway, I think it likely that's where and possibly why they chose to use the name Insulinde, and now y'all might know some interesting poo poo about that. Orange Devil fucked around with this message at 23:24 on Oct 9, 2022 |
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cool post, thank you!
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The Jakarta Method is a text that covers a lot of ground for the US's overseas anti-communism programs, mostly via sponsoring right-wing massacres.
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After finishing an all skills max run half a year ago I'm concidering doing a fourth run through over the winter, the one combi I didn't try yet is drug/alcohol user and fascist. Is this a worthwhile character or is it as depressing and lovely as it feels like? Wondering if theres enough content there to make it worth while.
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wiegieman posted:The Jakarta Method is a text that covers a lot of ground for the US's overseas anti-communism programs, mostly via sponsoring right-wing massacres. Really really good book, I'll second this recommendation. The Audible version is good too
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Another big summary post, less rpgcodex-y this time: https://literallysatanofficial.tumblr.com/post/697526666112745472/updates-corrections-and-citations The one big new piece of information there is that someone found that Kurvitz is taking ZA/UM to court in November. quote:“[Kurvitz]’s statement against ZA/UM studio for information and document inspection”
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I do like "buy Disco Elysium to help fund shareholder Kurvitz's lawsuit against ZA/UM", now there's a big brain move.
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Son of Rodney posted:After finishing an all skills max run half a year ago I'm concidering doing a fourth run through over the winter, the one combi I didn't try yet is drug/alcohol user and fascist. Is this a worthwhile character or is it as depressing and lovely as it feels like? Wondering if theres enough content there to make it worth while. the Fascist vision quest is worth it but after Day 4 it gets less and less rewarding. You burn through a lot of magnesium keeping your morale up when being a fascist AND drinking alcohol. Might be OK if you start with high psy and mot, then combine Fascism with Boiadeiro and the thought that removes the morale penalty for alcohol.
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[AUTHORITY - Challenging: Failure] So the communist scum wants to use the Law? Pssht. [RHETORIC - Legendary: Success] To use the contradictions of capitalism against itself is perfectly valid. In fact, it can be highly effective! [CONCEPTUALIZATION - Heroic: Success] Besides, think of the narrative. The ingenious underdog Bob Kurvitz, one of the creators of one of the most famous cultural efforts in Estonian history, against treacherous, rotten businessmen? [SAVOIR FAIRE - Medium: Failure] Mmmmhm. Already feeling a spectacular documentary in Venice, about the valiant struggle for art... [DRAMA - Heroic: Success] Sire, I wish we lived in another world, one where Estonian writers are the crème-de-la-crème of character studies... Doesn't mean we can't pretend, however.
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dead gay comedy forums posted:[AUTHORITY - Challenging: Failure] So the communist scum wants to use the Law? Pssht. ENCYCLOPEDIA - Contact Mike signed a contract
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[ELECTROCHEMISTRY - Easy: Success] What the gently caress are you doing? You have beer to drink.
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