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josh04 posted:the description for this one gets more outlandish every time it comes up I mean it happened: https://twitter.com/AliceAvizandum/status/1253261290732224517?s=20&t=zWz6FL33gb0gxsw9i-1gxg It’s kind of wild that in that one thread alone she lays in to the victim over and over again, but that wasn’t enough so took to subtweeting about having landlords lynched. She’s frankly an rear end in a top hat.
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Oct 9, 2022 15:52
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Yes but have you considered that they might need to mass-disenfranchise a ton of people real quick in order to achieve their stated policy goal of perpetual power for simply not being the other guys? https://twitter.com/SuellaBraverman/status/1578865948911489024 Stop Labour being or doing what? Who knows. Keith doesn't even know that. But they must be stopped, for they are not us.
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Oh they're doing the Trump 'save America' bit. I look forward to the next stage of claiming the election was fraudulent and storming parliament.
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Very much enjoying all of the pikachu faced  journalists today who are somehow shocked at the fact that Nicola Sturgeon hates the tories and doesn't have a problem saying so on TV.
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Oct 9, 2022 16:11
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josh04 posted:the description for this one gets more outlandish every time it comes up It'd be like if I took it upon myself to 'gently remind' people that bustin keaton is so racist he can't tell two asian men apart, even when one is apparently one of his favourite writers. It's taking the least generous interpretation of what happened and spreading it around to defame the person's character. Like I'm not going to spread that because I'm not a oval office, but hopefully if reading that gave you a jolt of anger, it'll help you see how easily this happens when you allow that level of interpretation. Contrapoints' did a whole video on cancel culture but it's like 2 hours long and briefly mentions this problem in a bit I can't be arsed to go look for (and ironically when I've posted it before it's just turned into a big discussion about Natalie being problematic rather than actually deal with the point raised). But it talks about the subtle linguistic trick behind this shift - changing it from "they did this thing that looks bigoted" to "they are bigoted" which then allows the kind of guilt-by-association ad hominem the initial post attempted, i.e. "I don't know why you'd recommend trashfuture, a transphobic podcast." It's a lovely thing to do and it just gives more ammo to culture warriors banging on about cancel culture, and it also diverts the discussion into this kind of bullshit instead of dealing with the actual point that was made. If someone has actually done something harmful, fine. But don't exaggerate harmful claims just because you don't personally enjoy something. bustin keaton posted:I mean it happened: Don't take the piss out of people on twitter if you're not willing to have people take the piss back.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:What happened? This makes no goddamn sense without the tweets Freja deleted and says nothing like what you're claiming. Alice made a joke quote tweeting an old post (now deleted presumably because it made her look bad) and calling her out for hypocrisy, and then didn't immediately grovel when freja started playing the victim in a thread which started with her accusing another person who's situation she didn't know of being a hypocrite. Freyja said an artist Alice likes wasn't really punk Then the argument happened. AFaik You can still read stuff it's just cause Freyja has Alice blocked her QT don't work so you have to click the link. https://twitter.com/BathysphereHat/status/1133019837893156864 Alice is just poo poo tho
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Freja called someone a sell out. Alice calls her a hyprocrite for renting out a room (thus being a landlord) and making someone homeless. Ignoring the fact they chucked this person out because they tried to rape them. Alice is a twitter poisoned shithead. Who makes jokes about people with autism and regards asexuals as "insufferable". Normally I'm pretty forgiving for the occasional bad joke/take on twitter, its easy for even good people to slip up when they are posting like 100 posts a day. But whenever anyone lays receipts at her feet her response is either to attack them with irony poisoned joke replies or to call them 'transphobic/islamophobic' She is NOT a good person and you shouldn't defend her.
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So this is a couple of terminally-online idiots - one or both of whom may be awful people - having a slapfight online?
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While I’m in favour of decriminalising cannabis (and probably most psychedelics and entactogens, for that matter), I hope there is room in progressive circles to discuss and imagine what different outcomes for decriminalised recreational cannabis use might look like; our society’s relationship with alcohol and tobacco is for the most part hosed up, so I don’t necessarily think giving cannabis the same status as those is the best we should hope for (even if it would be an improvement on where we are today). Right now alcohol* is the only drug that you might have to explain, if only briefly, why you don’t use it. I think it’d probably be a net bad thing socially to have society treat even more drugs this way, with the default expectation that a person is a user. *caffeine too, and maybe that’s a substance that is as close to a free lunch as we can get.
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Alice is sort of a minor left media celebrity I guess, she's on a bunch of podcasts and I think used to be a journalist.Halisnacks posted:While I’m in favour of decriminalising cannabis (and probably most psychedelics and entactogens, for that matter), I hope there is room in progressive circles to discuss and imagine what different outcomes for decriminalised recreational cannabis use might look like; our society’s relationship with alcohol and tobacco is for the most part hosed up, so I don’t necessarily think giving cannabis the same status as those is the best we should hope for (even if it would be an improvement on where we are today). I mean I can't say my lack of drinking has ever really caused me any issues, everyone else seems to drink constantly and it's gross but people do lots of gross things so *shrug* Plus historically this does seem to be just... how humans interact with drugs in general? Absent what I would consider to be worse religious strictures I don't think you can really stop people drinking. The desire to drink has driven a lot of human effort. No idea how you get people en masse to stop doing that other than the fully automated communism thing. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 16:42 on Oct 9, 2022 |
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“All they stabbed for”
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kingturnip posted:So this is a couple of terminally-online idiots - one or both of whom may be awful people - having a slapfight online? No it's an rear end in a top hat attacking someone and people leaping to defend her because they like her podcasts.
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OwlFancier posted:I mean I can't say my lack of drinking has ever really caused me any issues, everyone else seems to drink constantly and it's gross but people do lots of gross things so *shrug* I definitely don’t think alcohol should be scheduled or the ability to purchase it curtailed. I actually don’t think there is much that the state should do, though there could be merit in restricting companies’ abilities to market (and glorify) it. My point is that with cannabis and other drugs, we have the opportunity to be more thoughtful about the way their (potential) future legal use plays out in society once we hit that juncture. If we land on the facile “let’s just treat it like we treat alcohol!”, that would be lazy, unimaginative, and an opportunity squandered IMO.
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Mega Comrade posted:She is NOT a good person and you shouldn't defend her.
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I guess, though if the problem with how people treat alcohol is mostly a captialism problem (or at least the parts of it you can do anything about are capitalism problems) then treating it like alcohol makes sense, in that it is probably the best you can get in society at the moment and also it's probably not very good objectively. I suppose I also just don't really have a vision of what a "good" relationship with drugs is other than just not wanting to use them most of the time? And I don't know how you produce that desire and also it doesn't seem consistent with what a lot of other people would consider a good relationship with them to be. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 17:08 on Oct 9, 2022 |
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smellmycheese posted:“All they stabbed for” https://twitter.com/C4Ciaran/status/1579127338885074944?t=8fvInzyEI6sQbUkxMyU7Yg Double down Nic.
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I am curious what it does mean if not individuals or tory supporters, unless there is an immanent supernatural force of toryism I don't know what else you could direct it at.
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OwlFancier posted:I guess, though if the problem with how people treat alcohol is mostly a captialism problem (or at least the parts of it you can do anything about are capitalism problems) then treating it like alcohol makes sense, in that it is probably the best you can get in society at the moment and also it's probably not very good objectively. Low-hanging fruit: treat it more like tobacco than alcohol. A non-zero amount of the social desire to use alcohol is because it is advertised (if this didn’t increase demand, purveyors would not invest in marketing).
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keep punching joe posted:https://twitter.com/C4Ciaran/status/1579127338885074944?t=8fvInzyEI6sQbUkxMyU7Yg Based
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Mean Scottish woman said something bad about are Liz. Better fill the next seven pages on how mean she is. - UK Media for next few days.
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OwlFancier posted:I am curious what it does mean if not individuals or tory supporters, unless there is an immanent supernatural force of toryism I don't know what else you could direct it at. She hates Tories as a collective. It's like in high school where all the cool kids would be dicks in their clique but if you met one in town they'd be perfectly polite. It's a funny snowflake reaction to what's an extremely common opinion in most of Scotland and I'd assume quite a lot of England & Wales. Tory policy is far more divisive than being mean to Tories
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There’s definitely a moral difference between Tory MPs, Tory members, and Tory voters who are not also in the first two groups; as a political leader it’s probably wise not to alienate literally everyone in that last group.
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Halisnacks posted:There’s definitely a moral difference between Tory MPs, Tory members, and Tory voters who are not also in the first two groups; as a political leader it’s probably wise not to alienate literally everyone in that last group. I don't think Nicola Sturgeon has to worry too much about alienating Tory voters.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:The whole post was written in such a deeply overwrought way that made me instantly doubt every claim. Like I guess the landlord claim is that by attacking a trans woman, Alice (a trans woman) has revealled herself to be transphobic? It's so tumblr it actually harms the legitimacy of the claims to the point that I'd need to see receipts to believe any of the claims (and having now seen one of the receipts, gently caress off with that). It seems you’ve decided the point was that Trashfuture is a transphobic podcast, which nobody in here has even remotely claimed. In fact my first post was justI saying I skip over their content these days because I think one of them is a bad person and I don’t care for some of the other hosts. I’m sorry I don’t like the podcast you like, it’s not personal.
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bustin keaton posted:I’m sorry I don’t like the podcast you like, it’s not personal. E: also the tweet that this all refers to was a joke from Alice which people are taking way, way too seriously which I feel is a relevant point to raise again. Bobby Deluxe fucked around with this message at 18:11 on Oct 9, 2022 |
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Even if you’re not specifically courting their vote it’s probably not good to suggest a voting bloc is irredeemable, see Clinton’s “basket of deplorables” quip. You can detest your direct political opponents without suggesting you detest the people who support them. The project of devising Tory ideology and policy and executing it while in government is morally different to voting Tory once every five years, and it’s a difference in kind, not just degree.
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You’re yet to actually point out what was a lie, even after a page of people replying with tweets, screenshots, summaries.
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One of the few commonalities between Hillary and Nicola is that people will just make poo poo up about what she said anyway. I heard she wants to turn all the women into men and all the men into frogs, that's what I heard. May as well just speak your mind if people are going to do that. OwlFancier posted:I guess, though if the problem with how people treat alcohol is mostly a captialism problem (or at least the parts of it you can do anything about are capitalism problems) then treating it like alcohol makes sense, in that it is probably the best you can get in society at the moment and also it's probably not very good objectively. You can see similar with a lot of other drugs. The East Midlands has used opium medicinally and recreationally since the neolithic, and despite moralizing by everyone from bishops to Cromwell to Victorian home secretaries it was never anywhere near the scale of a social problem as cheap refined heroin from post-Revolution Iran headed to marginalized communities in post-Thatcher Britain. You can draw a near identical timeline for coca and Latin America and the crack epidemic in the US (and the even more damaging attendant moral panic). The only thing that all of these threads have taught us is that you can make something Class AAA** Super Prohibited and it just increases the prison population and scares people away from engaging with health and social services.
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Halisnacks posted:Even if you’re not specifically courting their vote it’s probably not good to suggest a voting bloc is irredeemable, see Clinton’s “basket of deplorables” quip. You can detest your direct political opponents without suggesting you detest the people who support them. I don't really think she's got much to lose by ostracising tory voters in Scotland because they already despise her, and she's got more to lose with her actual voters by backing down from the idea she detests tories because most of her voters do, too, along with labour voters and others. People might waver on whether they want to vote SNP and this kind of headline reminds them: that's right, because gently caress the tories. The tories are far in the minority in Scotland and she can do without all of them, i don't think there are many snp/tory fencesitters anyway more like snp/labour, so it's not really comparable to Clinton where she actually needed to trick votes from the people she was casually condemning. The english media can kick up a storm about this and english tories or fencesitters can be appalled but they can't really hurt her. roomtone fucked around with this message at 18:17 on Oct 9, 2022 |
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Guavanaut posted:One of the few commonalities between Hillary and Nicola is that people will just make poo poo up about what she said anyway. I heard she wants to turn all the women into men and all the men into frogs, that's what I heard. 
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It's funnier because Labour spent yesterday complaining about divisive rhetoric from the SNP against them. Now that's totally dropped from the news because Nicola called all the tories cunts.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:You're entitled to not like a podcast ffs, just don't lie about the host and pretend like nothing they say can ever be relevant. That was the point of your reply to me. And you claim you are not defending her???
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bustin keaton posted:You’re yet to actually point out what was a lie, even after a page of people replying with tweets, screenshots, summaries.
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roomtone posted:The tories are far in the minority in Scotland and she can do without all of them, i don't think there are many snp/tory fencesitters anyway more like snp/labour, so it's not really comparable to Clinton where she actually needed to trick votes from the people she was casually condemning. Clinton’s comment was not only bad for the role it played in Trump’s victory - it was bad in principle. It was quite rightly a scandal and the coverage of it only seemed disproportionate in relation to the tyre fire of Trump’s candidacy. Our political leaders should not think, much less declare, that a portion of the electorate is either deplorable or detestable.
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There's a linguistic aspect too. "Labour" is always a vague uncountable concept - "I hate Labour" or "Labour will bankrupt the country" doesn't directly refer to individuals, and is thus more readily assigned to the party leadership I think. Whereas "Tories" is countable and refers to specific people - so you end up debating which ones. Cabinet, MPs, party members, voters, small-c conservatives. Makes it easier to feign outrage whenever someone says they hate Tories. -- Mostly unrelated, I came across articles in the Dutch and UK news with a common theme: both Schiphol security personnel and British teaching assistants are leaving those jobs to be better paid at supermarkets, leading to much confused gnashing of teeth from employers. Interesting that supermarkets have become the kind of backstop employer, chosen over putting up with sticky toddler tantrums in your face, or working in schools.
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