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Bobby Deluxe posted:I am not responding to you because you have given absolutely no sign that you're willing to read a drat thing anyone says in good faith. That’s one way of reading the last page and a half, I guess
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for me this alice person has committed the ultimate crime of making the There’s your problem podcast unlistenable
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Jel Shaker posted:for me this alice person has committed the ultimate crime of making the UKMT unreadable
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Halisnacks posted:Clinton’s comment was not only bad for the role it played in Trump’s victory - it was bad in principle. It was quite rightly a scandal and the coverage of it only seemed disproportionate in relation to the tyre fire of Trump’s candidacy. Our political leaders should not think, much less declare, that a portion of the electorate is either deplorable or detestable. Attacking the Tories on the other hand is attacking a group that is at its core, politicians and their superfans - the party membership - The latter of course not even being that much larger than that of the SNP. Probably not a great idea if you were trying to court people who might have sympathies towards them, or who were sympathetic towards people who identified as Tories, but it is in no way at the level of the moral and intellectual failure of Clinton's comment.
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Bobstar posted:There's a linguistic aspect too. "Labour" is always a vague uncountable concept - "I hate Labour" or "Labour will bankrupt the country" doesn't directly refer to individuals, and is thus more readily assigned to the party leadership I think. Whereas "Tories" is countable and refers to specific people - so you end up debating which ones. Cabinet, MPs, party members, voters, small-c conservatives. Makes it easier to feign outrage whenever someone says they hate Tories. Yeah this linguistic difference is probably doing some work. Omitting the definite article also adds to the ambiguity. “I detest the Tories” would probably be parsed as a reference to the political leadership of the party, while “I detest Tories” can be interpreted more expansively.
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Guavanaut posted:One of the few commonalities between Hillary and Nicola is that people will just make poo poo up about what she said anyway. I heard she wants to turn all the women into men and all the men into frogs, that's what I heard. A book going into this argument in more detail that "some guy on the internet told me this", for arguing with the Tories in your life. https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/0199588716/
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Bit late to this but yeah, smoking a joint stinks really bad and can make your clothes stink in a very strong, noticeable and lasting way, if you do it in a remotely confined area or if the wind isn't strongly blowing it all away from you. You can smell it when smoking from like 10s of metres away no problem. Vaping *does* still smell but nowhere near as strongly. The smell doesn't linger around as much and if you do it outside there's basically no chance it'll make your clothes smell in a noticeable way, though you'll probably still have weed smell on your breath.
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I have never smoked or ate a weed but I would like it to be legalised so that I can try it without having a mild panic attack about 19 perfect SWAT officers bursting through every opening in the house to put me at gunpoint over it.
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Barry Foster posted:I detest Tories. I think every Tory should die. And thanks to the concept of time, I always win.
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Bobstar posted:
I consider quitting my pharmacy job for a supermarket position at least three times a week. The money would be better there. We're on 9.67 an hour, lmao (though I get the London pay so I'm on 10.67, luxury). We cannot recruit to fill our empty positions. The work is too much for us and the customers are *not* understanding or kind. I'm sick of getting scoffed at and sworn at and shouted at and having people respond to me with contempt when I work so loving hard to make sure people get their medicines. The ones who take up the most time and effort are also the ones who are least understanding of delay or complication and I'm sick of it. uggghhhhhhhh
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Halisnacks posted:Our political leaders should not think, much less declare, that a portion of the electorate is either deplorable or detestable. It’s true though, a huge plurality of Donald Trump’s voters hold absolutely abhorrent views that are completely deplorable and they should be ashamed of themselves, not celebrated And huge numbers of people on the right in the UK are completely hateful
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I suppose I don't really see how you can hate the concept of tories in the abstract and not extend it to the people that make it up? Again I don't believe there is a concept of it that is divisible from the people who practice it, the god of toryism is created out of the belief of all its adherents, and every single one of them is responsible for what it does to a greater or lesser degree. The leaders are culpable, the members are culpable, the voters are culpable, and I don't see why people should be coddled from being told they are responsible for what they vote for.
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Guavanaut posted:One of the few commonalities between Hillary and Nicola is that people will just make poo poo up about what she said anyway. I heard she wants to turn all the women into men and all the men into frogs, that's what I heard So you're saying Sturgeon is going to resurrect the Auld Alliance, then?
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There's talk amongst the Tory MPs of ousting Truss and installing a caretaker PM, with one of the top contenders being Grant Shapps. The others on the list are Michael Green, Sebastian Fox and Corinne Stockheath.
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fuctifino posted:There's talk amongst the Tory MPs of ousting Truss and installing a caretaker PM, with one of the top contenders being Grant Shapps. The others on the list are Michael Green, Sebastian Fox and Corinne Stockheath. Noice
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Halisnacks posted:Our political leaders should not think, much less declare, that a portion of the electorate is either deplorable or detestable. I agree, everyone should be nice and polite to each other regardless of what horrible things they say/do/believe. That'll definitely (continue to) make things better.
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fuctifino posted:There's talk amongst the Tory MPs of ousting Truss and installing a caretaker PM, with one of the top contenders being Grant Shapps. The others on the list are Michael Green, Sebastian Fox and Corinne Stockheath. Ah yes those people I have definately heard of before.
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Barry Foster posted:I detest Tories.
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Tomberforce posted:Ah yes those people I have definately heard of before. They're all the same person
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Halisnacks posted:Our political leaders should not think, much less declare, that a portion of the electorate is either deplorable or detestable. Would you suggest we should have kinder, gentler politics?
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Tomberforce posted:Ah yes those people I have definately heard of before. Well, Michael Green is Grant Shapps, so I suspect fuctifino isn't being entirely serious
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kingturnip posted:Well, Michael Green is Grant Shapps, so I suspect fuctifino isn't being entirely serious I wish I was joking about Grant Shapps' name being talked about as a caretaker PM until the next GE https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1579045224487084033 Julio Cruz posted:just one of the reasons that rumour is bullshit is that Tory MPs don't get to choose who the new leader is They do if all other MPs drop out of the leadership race to leave only one. Isn't that how Theresa May won?
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Julio Cruz posted:just one of the reasons that rumour is bullshit is that Tory MPs don't get to choose who the new leader is Caretaker is a different thing altogether, that can just be nominated.
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fuctifino posted:I wish I was joking about Grant Shapps' name being talked about as a caretaker PM until the next GE Yep - it only goes to a members vote if there's not a clear winner after the MPs.
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Ditch Truss and get Shappsy the Shyster in. I demand more lolz before we progress to Kieth’s Age of Tedium
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kingturnip posted:Well, Michael Green is Grant Shapps, so I suspect fuctifino isn't being entirely serious I'm sorry there is no way that 'Grant Shapps' is a real person. Absurd.
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Our next PM will have a mandate smaller than the current one, who has the support of 81,000 rabid pensioners (some of whom have since died of old age). In a few months, we will eventually have PM Raab with the sole support of a 5 a side football team, which he also plays for. e: in other news... https://twitter.com/Conservatives/status/1579218450966523906 https://twitter.com/GregHands/status/1579221521029300225 He looks very happy about the promotion, and those hands look very grabby. He was on team Rishi, so I guess we're going to see many of those people placated with bullshit positions fuctifino fucked around with this message at 22:44 on Oct 9, 2022 |
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Julio Cruz posted:lol if you think that Rishi/Gove/Javid etc are going to step aside rather than force a members' vote They are going to all stab each other in the back, and it's going to be glorious to watch e: ugh, I missed this from yesterday https://twitter.com/kateferguson4/status/1578830757480759296 fuctifino fucked around with this message at 22:56 on Oct 9, 2022 |
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... why do countries keep trying these schemes. The way you improve birthrates is better childcare and maternity leave provision, this is clear. When women have the choice between a professional career and a family, they will mostly pick the career and their own independence over a family. So you have to make it so they don't have to choose.
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fuctifino posted:They are going to all stab each other in the back, and it's going to be glorious to watch Bonk is a word that only exists in newspaper & I hate it
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Notice the sun doesn't publish the name of this supposed cabinet minister. I guess the government is testing the waters to see what public opinion is like for this current literal nazi playbook idea
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so high taxes are the reason i'm not getting any. god, is there anything taxes aren't ruining?
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Nothingtoseehere posted:... why do countries keep trying these schemes. Yeah, it's amazing/depressing to see various Western governments going "Hmmm...how do we encourage another baby boom? The last one happened when there was guaranteed employment, good job security, generous wages, an average family could readily afford a modest home, public services were being made increasingly affordable and open for all and people were generally feeling optimistic about the future and confident that any children would have a better life than their parents in a country of reducing inequality and increasing opportunity...  ..we'd better do the opposite of all those things and instead try and roll back feminism, give women some tax breaks and hint at saying the Fourteen Words... "
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