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FizFashizzle posted:Boy that makes a lot of rumors much more credible. I haven't watched any Panthers games, has the defense really regressed that much? They seemed fine last year.
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Isentropy posted:the maccagnan drafts were a wonder to behold and the cherry on top was Christian "PFF refusés to grade" Hackenberg He’s probably the worst GM in NFL history. Even worse than Millen. He completely razed the franchise and sowed salt after himself.
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wandler20 posted:I haven't watched any Panthers games, has the defense really regressed that much? They seemed fine last year.
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wandler20 posted:I haven't watched any Panthers games, has the defense really regressed that much? They seemed fine last year. Panthers fans here have been complaining for a while about how he‘a not putting their talented players in positions to succeed. That aside he’s also been with Rhule through three jobs going back almost 10 years so it makes sense that if you’re firing Rhule you probably don’t want to keep his bitter sidekick around.
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Penisaurus Sex posted:Hackett's a really weird case because by all normal ebbs and flows of NFL coaching he should get the rest of the year, if not into next year. I think it'll be less about Hackett's gaffes (should they continue, or should he sort himself out), or even the team W-L record, and more about how Russ plays the last 3 months & what he says to the GM and execs as the season progresses. Wilson is a 200M+$ investment with no alternatives for several years (neither in terms of drafting a quality replacement, nor in terms of mitigating the cap hits). So any success is dependent on the scheme and roster enabling RWBS while mitigating RW Stupid poo poo. Coaches and receivers and linemen are all replaceable components, especially a first-year HC with plenty of bad press and bungled decisions and no impact on salary caps.
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Ornery and Hornery posted:The Stefanski situation is so weird because the Browns are 2-3 with a backup QB. From what little I've seen, Brissett looks more than capable. So I guess the the "backup qb" excuse doesn't seem as credible. Dallas also has a decent backup and have been winning, so maybe that's a factor in expectations.
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kalensc posted:I think it'll be less about Hackett's gaffes (should they continue, or should he sort himself out), or even the team W-L record, and more about how Russ plays the last 3 months & what he says to the GM and execs as the season progresses.
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HappyHippo posted:From what little I've seen, Brissett looks more than capable. So I guess the the "backup qb" excuse doesn't seem as credible. Dallas also has a decent backup and have been winning, so maybe that's a factor in expectations. Brissett has thrown a couple of back breaking fourth quarter picks.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:Panthers fans here have been complaining for a while about how he‘a not putting their talented players in positions to succeed. Yeah rumours are that Chinn, Brown and Burns were all unhappy that their roles in the defense were continually being changed and chopped and moved around instead of just letting them play the game they were suited to. Burns being dropped into coverage 30% of the time. Chinn being asked to play 3 different styles of play - hybrid linebacker/nickel, deep roving safety and in the box thumper when he should just be a safety. Brown was asked to get leaner and play disruptive then he dropped the weight, then he got told he was needed to occupy space anyway. All the while allegedly, Snow was playing some grima wormtongue role where he'd have too much input into game planning and management. Burns had apparently been telling former players he wasn't interested in a new deal with Carolina and felt his future was elsewhere. DJ Moore and Anderson were both obviously unhappy. The QB situation has been awful but when you go through the disgruntled list that's been floating around thats 3 first round picks and a 2nd rounder. A whole lot of capital you've got ready to walk out the door. If nothing else this takes the dark clouds off the dressing room.
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:I imagine Hackett is going to have to adapt his "scheme" (I still dont believe he has one) to how Wilson plays Yeah as much as Russ has looked cooked that offense is a tire fire. Their best play this week had the back judge tripping a defender so they could complete a pass 35 or 40 yards downfield to two receivers who were in the exact same place. Which was amusing as hell but that should happen on a hail mary and never ever in any other circumstance that far down the field. That's on coaching, it isn't Wilson's fault.
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I remember Bridgewater doing ok for them 2 years ago (I think? My memory is hazy so please correct me if I'm wrong) but then they traded him away for D'Arnold, and Bridgewater had commentary on things that should be obvious like "on the Panthers we didnt practice the 2 minute drill".
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edit: quote is not edit, sorry for the doublepostNissin Cup Nudist posted:Hackett and the GM will both be gone after the year so Walmart can hire their own guys Grittybeard posted:Yeah as much as Russ has looked cooked that offense is a tire fire. Their best play this week had the back judge tripping a defender so they could complete a pass 35 or 40 yards downfield to two receivers who were in the exact same place.
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:I remember Bridgewater doing ok for them 2 years ago (I think? My memory is hazy so please correct me if I'm wrong) but then they traded him away for D'Arnold, and Bridgewater had commentary on things that should be obvious like "on the Panthers we didnt practice the 2 minute drill". https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31433376/teddy-bridgewater-criticizes-how-carolina-panthers-practiced-last-season Even the author of the story points out that Darnold had a worse season then Bridgewater. Bridgewater has been with a few teams now and this is the only time he had been critical about a team he left.
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:On paper Denver has one of the most talented WR rooms in the league and even with Patrick tearing his ACL in preseason, Jeduy, Sutton, and Hamler should be making DBs look silly but instead Russ is just throwing the ball 40 yards down the field into grass because they're not on the same page. Its really strange and looks very bad for the scheme/coaching. I’ve seen Jeudy drop so many passes just in the few games I’ve watched this season. I don’t think the Broncos receiving corps is nearly as good in reality as it is on paper. It’s Sutton who is pretty good, a fast guy that can’t catch, and KJ Hamler who seems like just-a-guy.
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:Is Elway still involved at all? Elway hand picked Paton to take on the GM role in his place. I don't think Elway has been fired or quit, but I don't think his job has any responsibilities anymore. He's just kind of there on gamedays looking sourpuss. I'm kind of buying into the idea that the Walmart clan is going to bring Peyton in to fill Elway's old role if the season continues on its current trajectory.
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FizFashizzle posted:Deleted? It said ST Coach Foley was fired as well.
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wandler20 posted:It said ST Coach Foley was fired as well. That’s confirmed. They’re clearing out rhules loyalists.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:I’ve seen Jeudy drop so many passes just in the few games I’ve watched this season. I don’t think the Broncos receiving corps is nearly as good in reality as it is on paper. It’s Sutton who is pretty good, a fast guy that can’t catch, and KJ Hamler who seems like just-a-guy. syzpid posted:https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31433376/teddy-bridgewater-criticizes-how-carolina-panthers-practiced-last-season Simplex posted:I don't think Elway has been fired or quit, but I don't think his job has any responsibilities anymore. He's just kind of there on gamedays looking sourpuss. I'm kind of buying into the idea that the Walmart clan is going to bring Peyton in to fill Elway's old role if the season continues on its current trajectory. 
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Diva Cupcake posted:Rivera is fixing to be next. Might come off a bit better if the other three teams in his division weren't winning with a backup, an injured reclamation of Daniel Jones and the emergence of a dude who everyone thought sucked in Hurts
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Jay-Z was never so disrespected https://twitter.com/stevereedap/status/1579563363205787648?s=46&t=_ihuPX8Y4LDl_O2RvVYz0Q
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An important thing to remember with Stefanski is that the excuse for the Browns going 8-9 was that Baker was the worst, most immature QB ever, and not the inconsistency that plagued the entire team (except Chubb) in every facet of the game. Brissett playing well but still losing is almost a negative for Stefanski because it means the problems with the team go way beyond QB play. And of course, when your franchise spends an entire offseason throwing people under the bus, it's only a matter of time before you get thrown under too.
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rare Magic card l00k posted:An important thing to remember with Stefanski is that the excuse for the Browns going 8-9 was that Baker was the worst, most immature QB ever, and not the inconsistency that plagued the entire team (except Chubb) in every facet of the game. Everything Baker has done this year has validated that though. He’s the worst QB in the league. Brissett is also a perennial backup for a reason. He’s not good even if he looks fine in spite.
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Diva Cupcake posted:Rivera is fixing to be next. That GM suuuuuuuuuuuuuucccccccckkkkkkks.
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Between Baker and Wilson, my big takeaway from this year is to never doubt players that talk poo poo about their QBs.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:Everything Baker has done this year has validated that though. He’s the worst QB in the league. Brissett is also a perennial backup for a reason. He’s not good even if he looks fine in spite. Baker Mayfield being the worst QB in the league is not a compelling argument in Kevin Stefanski's favor though, because he was very lucky to beat Baker, and his staff learned nothing from it as shown the very next week by Joe Flacco. Edit: This isn't so much a 'why Stefanski is gone now, or even next' argument and more a 'this is why Stefanski's seat might be getting a little warm'. There's no way he's gone before getting the Watson games done unless the wheels fly off. rare Magic card l00k fucked around with this message at 21:50 on Oct 10, 2022 |
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fsif posted:Between Baker and Wilson, my big takeaway from this year is to never doubt players that talk poo poo about their QBs. between daniel jones, jared goff, geno smith, cooper rush, and jacoby brissett my big takeaway is that scheme + coach (and a functional o-line) matter so so so so so so so much for QBs if a guy has had success in the league and suddenly looks horrific (and isn't old as gently caress), im leaning towards it being a coach/scheme or personnel issue. i still think Baker could be a perfectly decent QB in the league, he's just more scheme dependent than people thought. him looking bad in Carolina under Rhule is meaningless bc they've had multiple QBs come in who all look worse for Carolina than they did in other spots
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Relentlessboredomm posted:i still think Baker could be a perfectly decent QB in the league, he's just more scheme dependent than people thought. him looking bad in Carolina under Rhule is meaningless bc they've had multiple QBs come in who all look worse for Carolina than they did in other spots Bridgewater looked pretty much exactly the same as he has everywhere else. Darnold and Baker both sucked but they also both sucked the last time we saw them on other teams. So pretty much all you can say about Rhule is he’s not going to make guys look any better than they are.
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Kalli posted:Might come off a bit better if the other three teams in his division weren't winning with a backup, an injured reclamation of Daniel Jones and the emergence of a dude who everyone thought sucked in Hurts Yet Carson Wentz is still significantly worse than those three. Even ignoring Hurts, Daniel Jones can actually lead game-winning drives (and he did help lead a comeback against the Packers), and Rush isn't making costly mistakes like Wentz constantly does. Wentz is an active liability compared even to loving Heinicke. Mega64 fucked around with this message at 22:45 on Oct 10, 2022 |
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Maybe in a super friendly scheme he'd be ok, but to be honest I don't see it. Maybe it's coaching, but things like throwing off your back foot, not being able to line drive a 15 yard out, failing to feed your money makers, struggling to get balls over the defensive line, not finding that soft spot behind linebacker but in front of safeties etc... there's a long list. I also think playoff time has shown a few times now that you can destroy a QB that needs a specific scheme to be successful. poo poo id argue that Stafford is showing this year even in a friendly scheme if you're hurt, not able to drive the ball, not mechanically being sound it will show out very quickly. Do you want to be a team thats in the 9 to 11 win range every year that can't get past the wildcard round? With Baker in Carolina unless he becomes all universe from here on out, you can't extend him and hope to fix his issues. He's 5 years in. Panthers are better off cutting the scheme guys, taking their medicine cap wise, stock piling picks and drafting who they can.
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The amazing thing about Rhule's are the constant pass batdown. It's not just the QBs either; I can count on one hand the number of times I saw Cam have a pass batted down before his second stint with the Panthers. There's something about Rhule's offense that EVERY single defensive linemen is feasting on.
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Here was the twitter thread from a couple weeks ago. A lot of these allegations certainly seem more credible now. https://twitter.com/CodyLac/status/1570953434408587265?s=20&t=fZgPyyACzUtLU7hMn7uPug
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FizFashizzle posted:Here was the twitter thread from a couple weeks ago. A lot of these allegations certainly seem more credible now. Well Rhule's staff picks were the reason he didn't get the Jets job.....
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mcmagic posted:Well Rhule's staff picks were the reason he didn't get the Jets job..... https://twitter.com/rosstuckernfl/status/1128975503359188995 Also still loling at Gase managing to get assets in return for Darron Lee.
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