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ro5s posted:He’s busy running the Labour Party now If David Cameron was the "Heir To Blair", does that make Kier Starmer the "Carry-On Of Cameron"?
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Tesseraction posted:But they have enough batshit MPs who could revolt over this Sure, but are there enough mentalists to trigger an early election in which most of them would lose their seats? The alternative is a zombie Truss admin which dooms the party for a generation. If there is one thing the Tory party is good at - other than killing the poor and lining the pockets of their backers - it is the ruthless pursuit and maintenance of power.
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Chinese Gordon posted:Sure, but are there enough mentalists to trigger an early election in which most of them would lose their seats? The alternative is a zombie Truss admin which dooms the party for a generation. If there is one thing the Tory party is good at - other than killing the poor and lining the pockets of their backers - it is the ruthless pursuit and maintenance of power. Right, but then the question is - lose now and make Labour inherit a global recession on top of their economic self-dickpunch, or spend two years of the party visibly at war with itself while the country defaults on its debts and 2024 sees them annihilated to the point where they might never recover. Ruthless pursuit of power means knowing when to amputate and retreat.
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Got curious and looked this up - Edward Law and Charles Abbott were both interim chancellors after the death of their predecessor, due to a convention that on the death of the Chancellor the position should go to the Lord Chief Justice. George Canning also seems to have died in office from a quick look at wikipedia, so Kwarteng and Zahawi are really in a league of their own
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BBC radio reporting she u-turned on the corporation tax cut yet again and it's going ahead. lmao I mean is it really a u-turn. More like a roundabout really.
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Private Speech posted:BBC radio reporting she u-turned on the corporation tax cut yet again and it's going ahead. lmao more like a donut at this point
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Tesseraction posted:Right, but then the question is - lose now and make Labour inherit a global recession on top of their economic self-dickpunch, or spend two years of the party visibly at war with itself while the country defaults on its debts and 2024 sees them annihilated to the point where they might never recover. Ruthless pursuit of power means knowing when to amputate and retreat. And, more importantly, no matter what happens the government will continue to represent the interests of capital. To the people who actually run this country that's all that matters. A pressure release cycle is a built-in feature of the system; capture people's hope for change, diffuse it into meaningless technocratic tinkering, juice up some public assets to be privatised and use people's willingness to extend the benefit of the doubt to extend police powers and surveillance. Meanwhile the Tories clear house and resume operations after Labour take the blame for whatever inevitable global crisis comes next.
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Private Speech posted:BBC radio reporting she u-turned on the corporation tax cut yet again and it's going ahead. lmao And twirling twirling twirling towards freedom
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Tesseraction posted:Round-up of Tory tears The saying in America is "Budd Dwyer gave a less career-ending press conference."
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Rarity posted:And twirling twirling twirling towards freedom I made the same joke in the CSPAM thread except I got it wrong and now I had to edit it, thanks jerk  (just kidding obviously)
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Rarity posted:Therese Coffey will be in a room by herself at 2:15pm Seems another of these meetings happened and Rarity's joke from earlier basically true: https://twitter.com/breeallegretti/status/1580949356324102144
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Angepain posted:Got curious and looked this up - Edward Law and Charles Abbott were both interim chancellors after the death of their predecessor, due to a convention that on the death of the Chancellor the position should go to the Lord Chief Justice. George Canning also seems to have died in office from a quick look at wikipedia, so Kwarteng and Zahawi are really in a league of their own Zahawi was clearly an interim chancellor as well, albeit for different reasons than a death, so it really just is Kwarteng.
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McFlurry Fan #1 posted:His career is clearly not on an upward trajectory so why not take one of the big jobs. The three you mentioned are definitely all too craven to resign. Tesseraction posted:Then the question is what the party do now because the recriminations will be high. One of the tactical things I expect them to do, even if not immediately, is alter the leadership selection process to formally remove the members from it, or weight their votes in such a way that all the real power effectively resides with MPs. The parliamentary party fears the outcomes the membership vote produces (see: making Leadsom drop out because she would have beat May; the embarrassment of the Truss premiership). The donors won’t care if the members are sidelined. The members might be a bit pissed but it’s not like this demographic is likely to vote anything but conservative. And even from first principles it could be argued as more democratic to have the MPs choose the leader, as they represent via their constituencies way more people (and way more diversity) that the Tory membership.
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DesperateDan posted:reminds me of the magical thinking jack chick tracts have where there's a constant supply of folks entirely unaware of christianity Deketh posted:I just watched some of that press conference and she truly has the charisma of soggy bread. Soggy bread that is definitely going to deliver economic stability and growth
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Those green shoots of recovery are just mould, sorry.
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Halisnacks posted:One of the tactical things I expect them to do, even if not immediately, is alter the leadership selection process to formally remove the members from it, or weight their votes in such a way that all the real power effectively resides with MPs. The Tory base should never be allowed to vote on anything ever. Either they're so rich that nothing will ever affect them or they're thick racists who should get in the sea.
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biglads posted:Those green shoots of recovery are just mould, sorry.
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biglads posted:Those green shoots of recovery are just mould, sorry. where do you think we're going to get the new batch of Tory MPs from
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I think they've a new process for growing those.
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Tesseraction posted:The Tory base should never be allowed to vote on anything ever. Either they're so rich that nothing will ever affect them or they're thick racists who should get in the sea. Tory supporters think the same thing about the Labour membership's right to "choose" a leader so careful what you wish for I guess. The real problem is a combination of the PM having more power than was really intended when all the non-existent rules were devised and the ability of the party of government to play musical chairs with that role without involving the electorate.
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Tarnop posted:Tory supporters think the same thing about the Labour membership's right to "choose" a leader so careful what you wish for I guess. Perhaps, but I am correct. 
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Tesseraction posted:Perhaps, but I am correct. I find myself thinking this on an almost daily basis. Many things are correct when I think them because the same thing can be either correct or incorrect depending on the circumstances.
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https://twitter.com/archimbaldo/status/1580928601880289282?s=46&t=AinHJpivcuUZ4TkD6Wr_Dw Not an unfair point. One thing to remember about direct action is that it's not actually intended to persuade people so much as it is intended to get people talking about the topic you're campaigning on. Even 'well, climate change is obviously important, but I can't condone these tactics' is a victory for that form of activism.
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Starmer's calling for an election, and if he's taking a stand on something then the jig is well and truly up. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/oct/14/keir-starmer-uk-election-now-liz-truss-stays-goes-labour?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:Starmer's calling for an election, and if he's taking a stand on something then the jig is well and truly up. Elections are wrong when the lols are ongoing
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Lord Ludikrous posted:Robbie Coltrane has died. Oh gently caress. The day just got a lot grimmer.
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Tesseraction posted:The Tory base should never be allowed to vote on anything ever. Either they're so rich that nothing will ever affect them or they're thick racists who should get in the sea. I dunno, letting them vote freely without Brexit to distract them seems to have been more effective at destroying their government than anything anyone else managed this decade.
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Lord Ludikrous posted:Robbie Coltrane has died. For some reason I thought he already was, not sure why I did finish rewatching all of cracker only last week.
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