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Snowden is best to be ignored. He's irrelevant now. In other news, everything is on hold until Brady is back from his holiday https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1580982554588762112
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Soylent Yellow posted:Some of the theorising I've been seeing this afternoon is that they've convinced him it's a stepping-stone to number 10, and that he'll be annointed caretaker PM monday afternoon after the markets crater. Yeah his plan is obviously Truss gets forced out over the weekend, he takes over and calls an election with the hope that he gets a new leader bounce and saves enough of the party that he can win an election in 4 or 5 years.
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# ? Oct 14, 2022 20:28 |
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OwlFancier posted:I am at least feeling validated that the view I've had more or less since halfway through may's term is being validated, that the party is institutionally on a course for the center of the earth and all they're doing is changing who is sitting on the top deck making brum brum noises. Although Brexit absolutely hosed Labour in the short term, I think it did serious but more hidden damage to the Conservatives too - like hairline cracks in a jet engine blade that slowly grow over the years until it suddenly fails and explodes without warning. The issue drove a wedge between the party's voters (asset-holding, economically insulated gammons) and its actual client base (finance and business). It has stayed afloat, politically and intellectually, by dedicating itself to certain specific cliques in its base, but each time it does so it drives away the other cliques, and that means that next time they try the same strategy they're shedding support from a smaller pool. They started off by going full-bore Get Brexit Done, ejecting the not inconsiderable part of their support that thought Brexit was madness, then they plucked for Hard Brexit, then for uncouth populist nationalism and extreme xenophobia, and now they're standing up for a tiny group of libertarian nutjobs. Each time they pick a course they seem to divide their support in half. I don't think this article has been in the thread (if it has, apologies but I missed it), but it captures what a listless, shambling zombie the 2022 Conservative Party is and how bereft of purpose and morale it is: https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/politics/article/conservative-conference-2022 It also has some brilliant turns of phrase
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fuctifino posted:Snowden is best to be ignored. He's irrelevant now. yeah, snowden is a loving asset now on the other hand, i got to watch our local mp recently announce nottingham was going to go all in on fusion our area, so... what the gently caress, the brainworms are getting stronger in bradley
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# ? Oct 14, 2022 20:30 |
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OwlFancier posted:what are the little grooved things on the table for? To hold name cards in case anyone forgets who's Minister for Wonkery or whatever this week. And those 'out of alignment' (albeit it's a curve) thingies are so annoying, someone needs to move them properly in to place.
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# ? Oct 14, 2022 20:49 |
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This piece is basically the thread title as a long form article.
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https://twitter.com/Ed_Miliband/status/1580931307185401856
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:To hold name cards in case anyone forgets who's Minister for Wonkery or whatever this week. Minister for Wokery according to fash dads nowadays.
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# ? Oct 14, 2022 21:03 |
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fuctifino posted:Snowden is best to be ignored. He's irrelevant now. The Parthenonce
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# ? Oct 14, 2022 21:09 |
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a pipe smoking dog posted:Yeah his plan is obviously Truss gets forced out over the weekend, he takes over and calls an election with the hope that he gets a new leader bounce and saves enough of the party that he can win an election in 4 or 5 years. There’s some opportunity for the party to just hang absolutely everything round Truss’s neck and present a “fresh start” and hope everyone forgets about the preceding 12 years. It’s pretty obvious already that her role is now to be a punching bag and the public target of blame for Tory MPs to pin everything on.
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# ? Oct 14, 2022 21:13 |
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BalloonFish posted:The issue drove a wedge between the party's voters (asset-holding, economically insulated gammons) and its actual client base (finance and business). It has stayed afloat, politically and intellectually, by dedicating itself to certain specific cliques in its base Smith posted:The whole annual produce of the land and labour of every country, or what comes to the same thing, the whole price of that annual produce, naturally divides itself, it has already been observed, into three parts; the rent of land, the wages of labour, and the profits of stock; and constitutes a revenue to three different orders of people; to those who live by rent, to those who live by wages, and to those who live by profit. These are the three great, original, and constituent orders of every civilised society, from whose revenue that of every other order is ultimately derived. Of course, Smith writes in the day before the trade union hall or the board school (or the fear of the soviet), so assumes that of the three classes the workers have nothing to say that they haven't been told by one of the other two classes, but the exact same was true of the Brexit debate, we heard very little from workers' groups and far too much from the "landowners defective in tolerable knowledge" and "those who live by profit" classes. Endless Tory v. Whig debates. Maybe this is/was the final gasp of trying to wedge the rival Tory landowner and Whig finance factions into one party out of fear of a bloc Workers' party in the 20th century, although I can't really see that splitting anywhere other than authoritarian social democracy with nationalist characteristics vs. useless liberalism at present. That or a voting system that doesn't automatically degrade to two parties. (I enjoyed the article)
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# ? Oct 14, 2022 21:14 |
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It's extremely funny that literally the only thing truss did was kill the queen and also the economy, and will likely otherwise be a total footnote. 0 to 100 and back to 0 again, all gas no brakes.
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I think she's spiteful enough to call a general election before she's finally ousted.
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# ? Oct 14, 2022 21:17 |
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everyone said that about Johnson lol
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fuctifino posted:I think she's spiteful enough to call a general election before she's finally ousted. It still has to be voted on though right? The tories can just say no.
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# ? Oct 14, 2022 21:20 |
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lmao I love how the solution of replacing an abject failure is to parachute another abject failure in place Catharsis https://twitter.com/JackHen16271194/status/1580433504802058240 Diet Crack fucked around with this message at 21:28 on Oct 14, 2022 |
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Bold assumption that they have anything else to replace her with. The whole party is like a Napoleonic artillery battle in a swamp during monsoon. Another damp squib? Cool, load the next damp squib.
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# ? Oct 14, 2022 21:25 |
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serious gaylord posted:It still has to be voted on though right? The tories can just say no. I thought she had the power to go to the King and dissolve parliament? Something about not commanding the confidence of the house iirc. I believe other people can go to the King and claim they have the majority confidence, but I don't think any politician can genuinely claim that at the moment.
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# ? Oct 14, 2022 21:27 |
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He's still sulky that she wouldn't let him go to the big environment conference. lmao if she gets stuck piloting a zombie government and nobody will let her not until she
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https://twitter.com/evolvepolitics/status/1580904191291457536 I know a light aircraft rental company..
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# ? Oct 14, 2022 21:37 |
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Found all the legal stuff, and picked out what I think are the relevant subsections https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/60646/election-rules-chapter6-draft_0.pdf quote:14. Governments hold office by virtue of their ability to command the confidence of <snip> quote:17. If the Prime Minister and Government resign at any stage, the principles in
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Tesseraction posted:The Parthenonce When it comes to ancient Greece I think you can just use the original names for everything
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Guavanaut posted:He's still sulky that she wouldn't let him go to the big environment conference. lmao if she gets stuck piloting a zombie government and nobody will let her not until she I think I am now going to read this the same way I read "commit unalive" or other such absurd neologisms produced by algorithmic pressure on the language.
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# ? Oct 14, 2022 22:25 |
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lmao https://twitter.com/danwootton/status/1580870735966638081 a bloo bloo the globularists bessantj posted:I will never stop being amazed about how Rowling and the rest of the GC crew are so quick and happy to jump into bed with organisations that would like to take away the rights of not just trans people but gay people and women as well. As long as it hurts trans people. https://twitter.com/MxVivianWulf/status/1576735420922368000
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Guavanaut posted:a bloo bloo the globularists I know he was born a loving moron, but does he realise he's part of the MSM?
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# ? Oct 14, 2022 22:27 |
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Everyone thinks they're a brilliant free thinking rebel, especially when they regurgitate the most unimagintive, incurious takes they have been spoon fed since birth. terfs or journalists take your pick
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Guavanaut posted:a bloo bloo the globularists
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https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1580707653973516288
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Lmao
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https://twitter.com/spaceysoupy/status/1580977302720028673 And there it is. The soup slingers are taking donations - in crypto - despite being backed and run by billionaires. It's a grift even if it's not an op.
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# ? Oct 14, 2022 23:02 |
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That seems pretty weak.
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# ? Oct 14, 2022 23:04 |
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Lol if the replies are to be believed this is because Labour’s candidate was a vocal supporter of BJP, in a majority Muslim ward. I’m assuming Labour wanted to try to poach Hindu votes from the Tories and effectively said ‘who else you gonna vote for?’ to Muslims and got this response.
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# ? Oct 14, 2022 23:11 |
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Ahh that dude can gently caress off. Aileen Getty is a long time AIDS campaigner and was for years before she discovered she was HIV positive herself. She runs several charitable foundations but we all know why he’s calling her “controversial”.
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# ? Oct 14, 2022 23:15 |
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learnincurve posted:Ahh that dude can gently caress off. Because she is an heir to the Getty oil fortune? Like, I don't really know how involved in that line of work any of the current Getttys are, seems a reach, but that's clearly what's being gotten at. forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 23:28 on Oct 14, 2022 |
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hm, dunno about all these people voting for the Greens. don't they realise they're not a viable contender? they should be voting labour to keep the tories out!
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# ? Oct 14, 2022 23:27 |
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learnincurve posted:Ahh that dude can gently caress off. Do we?
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forkboy84 posted:Because she is an heir to the Getty oil fortune? Granddaughter and she’s been giving her share away to her own foundations for decades, including to aids research in the 80s and 90s. She’s not a young woman.
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# ? Oct 14, 2022 23:30 |
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Noxville posted:Lol if the replies are to be believed this is because Labour’s candidate was a vocal supporter of BJP, in a majority Muslim ward. I’m assuming Labour wanted to try to poach Hindu votes from the Tories and effectively said ‘who else you gonna vote for?’ to Muslims and got this response. If there's one thing I'd hoped Labour would have learned after Scotland in 2007, & former mining & industrial communities in 2019 is taking their voters for granted isn't a winning strategy. OK, that's a lie, I'm glad they refuse to learn
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forkboy84 posted:If there's one thing I'd hoped Labour would have learned after Scotland in 2007, & former mining & industrial communities in 2019 is taking their voters for granted isn't a winning strategy. Labour will never learn about anything that happened after 1997
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https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1581024792257662976quote:Kwarteng: 'Sacking has bought Truss a few weeks' Imagine getting all the way to being Prime Minister of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, successor state to the British Empire, and being a dead man walking less than 40 days in due to your own hubris, incompetence and vacuous stupidity.
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