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McFlurry Fan #1 posted:Surely Keith is panicking a bit now at the thought of the Tories putting someone even just sensible or not brain-dead in charge? I mean, all he has got is looking sensible - and the Tories will have looking sensible and wanting to kill the poor - the winning ticket in the England apparently his main advantage is how few of those people they have left/how few of the relatively less silly ones will have the support of MPs e: 225 is 15 squared. isn't that exciting
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McFlurry Fan #1 posted:Surely Keith is panicking a bit now at the thought of the Tories putting someone even just sensible or not brain-dead in charge? I mean, all he has got is looking sensible - and the Tories will have looking sensible and wanting to kill the poor - the winning ticket in the England apparently Starmer also wants to kill the poor, though.
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Crymetimeboys posted:Starmer also wants to kill the poor, though. yes the Tory advantage is being able to be honest about it
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Angepain posted:yes the Tory advantage is being able to be honest about it It's also the Republicans' advantage over the Democrats in US politics.
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What exactly is their ideological opposition to investment instead of cuts anyway. Is it just firesale as fast as possible and get whatever you can out of it gently caress you? Is the graft really that simple and obvious or do they genuinely believe that THIS time we won't get hosed over by selling off the... *checks notes* very land we live on?
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McFlurry Fan #1 posted:Surely Keith is panicking a bit now at the thought of the Tories putting someone even just sensible or not brain-dead in charge? I mean, all he has got is looking sensible - and the Tories will have looking sensible and wanting to kill the poor - the winning ticket in the England apparently You're assuming he wants to win. There's been no particular sign of that so far…
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Mebh posted:What exactly is their ideological opposition to investment instead of cuts anyway. Is it just firesale as fast as possible and get whatever you can out of it gently caress you? Is the graft really that simple and obvious or do they genuinely believe that THIS time we won't get hosed over by selling off the... *checks notes* very land we live on? You've really nailed it here for me. Since COVID I've visited my home town in Victoria, BC, Canada, and Copenhagen. Two cities that I know reasonably well. With both, I was struck by home much visible public investment was happening. New sewage treatment plant. New large public conference center. New parks. New bike lanes. All of them gave the sense of society and economy on the rise. Of interesting shared space and infrastructure for everyone to use. Not to mention: new business opportunities! New cafes, new clothing stores and coffee shops. A true growth economy from the ground up. With Truss and co: they scare me because they're true believers in the horseshit and lies of their predecessors. They all knew at least that they were full of poo poo and ruining the economy for their own personal gain. I wouldn't be surprised if Truss actually wasn't making any secret cash or deals out of this, she genuinely seems to believe in this shite. Investing in public infrastructure is so clearly a positive way forward out of this mess they e created, but they're too dogmatic and thick to see it.
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Mebh posted:What exactly is their ideological opposition to investment instead of cuts anyway. Is it just firesale as fast as possible and get whatever you can out of it gently caress you? Is the graft really that simple and obvious or do they genuinely believe that THIS time we won't get hosed over by selling off the... *checks notes* very land we live on? The politicians on the economic right either do not believe fiscal multipliers are real, which would mean spending can never solve budget problems, or they do not believe they can ever admit they are real, because that would mean admitting every austerity related death was deliberate. I think at this point we are not only neck deep in true believers, but we've run out of the few true believers that know how anything else works. They think any white papers they disagree with are just, like, your opinion
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Mourning Due posted:I wouldn't be surprised if Truss actually wasn't making any secret cash or deals out of this, she genuinely seems to believe in this shite. I can assure you she's making a stupid amount steering this already submerged ship into the ocean floor. These politicians are merely puppets for insidious old white businessmen. Always have been, always will be. Until the UK trashes this decorum bullshit and rewrites it's governing laws, they'll continue to do and get away with ALL of this bollocks, regardless of party affiliation. e: things like the house of lords are a direct example of this in action, completely useless loving arm of government that costs the taxpayer so people like Bojo can sprog their wankmates in to a peerage. Diet Crack fucked around with this message at 11:31 on Oct 15, 2022 |
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Darth Walrus posted:https://twitter.com/duncanweldon/status/1581173268559859713?s=46&t=G5E4kv1AIbGZBtLQqge-Pg How long before they bring back “we’re all in this together”?
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McFlurry Fan #1 posted:Surely Keith is panicking a bit now at the thought of the Tories putting someone even just sensible or not brain-dead in charge? I mean, all he has got is looking sensible - and the Tories will have looking sensible and wanting to kill the poor - the winning ticket in the England apparently Honestly I think the damage to the brand™ is too extensive and the blue tories are going to be out of power for a while, giving the red Tories a good long run.
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Mebh posted:What exactly is their ideological opposition to investment instead of cuts anyway. Is it just firesale as fast as possible and get whatever you can out of it gently caress you? Is the graft really that simple and obvious or do they genuinely believe that THIS time we won't get hosed over by selling off the... *checks notes* very land we live on? Government investment is inevitably waylaid by lobbyists, pork-barrelling politicians and insider trading, so the best thing to do is stand back and let the free market allocate capital far efficiently. You can see this playing out in the streetscape for example. Council transport budgets get captured by local interests and tend to go on wasteful things like cycle lanes, pedestrianisation and traffic calming. In areas where the council has no money, private sector investment isn't crowded out and you can see Amazon and Tesco busily at work repairing all the potholes so their delivery vans moving more speedily, thus maximising their profit and the wealth of all.
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Mourning Due posted:I wouldn't be surprised if Truss actually wasn't making any secret cash or deals out of this, she genuinely seems to believe in this shite.
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McFlurry Fan #1 posted:Surely Keith is panicking a bit now at the thought of the Tories putting someone even just sensible or not brain-dead in charge? I mean, all he has got is looking sensible - and the Tories will have looking sensible and wanting to kill the poor - the winning ticket in the England apparently It’s not that much of a threat because 1) as pointed out there are few of those left and 2) with the new person you can still keep pointing out how hilarious it is they’re the fourth Tory PM in three years.
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Endjinneer posted:Government investment is inevitably waylaid by lobbyists, pork-barrelling politicians and insider trading, so the best thing to do is stand back and let the free market allocate capital far efficiently. You can see this playing out in the streetscape for example. Council transport budgets get captured by local interests and tend to go on wasteful things like cycle lanes, pedestrianisation and traffic calming. In areas where the council has no money, private sector investment isn't crowded out and you can see Amazon and Tesco busily at work repairing all the potholes so their delivery vans moving more speedily, thus maximising their profit and the wealth of all. I live next to an Amazon hub in an area where the council have no money and is this a parody post?
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What would happen if the Tories lost all their seats next election? Would the opposition just be a handful of Lib Dems, Greens and SNP?
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justcola posted:What would happen if the Tories lost all their seats next election? Would the opposition just be a handful of Lib Dems, Greens and SNP? The opposition would be whatever the biggest party not in government was. Probably the SNP. Actually, the opposition is *all* non-government parties, but the Leader comes from the largest party (and they have various other benefits) Not sure what happens if there are two equally large parties.
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learnincurve posted:I live next to an Amazon hub in an area where the council have no money and is this a parody post? 
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sebzilla posted:The opposition would be whatever the biggest party not in government was. Probably the SNP. Bareknuckle fight in the Commons and halfway through the Speaker tosses the mace in
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sebzilla posted:Not sure what happens if there are two equally large parties. The Labour leader gets mocked by everyone until the next election. More so than usual, I mean.
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i think the tories as a party are now dead in the water, consumed by the cancer that was UKIP however tory voters are still with us so we will probably find out that a lot of labour politicians might suddenly change their views on certain issues
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Centre-left soc-dem economic issues? No, not those issues. Which issues then? Oh, you know the ones. 
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Mebh posted:What exactly is their ideological opposition to investment instead of cuts anyway. Is it just firesale as fast as possible and get whatever you can out of it gently caress you? Is the graft really that simple and obvious or do they genuinely believe that THIS time we won't get hosed over by selling off the... *checks notes* very land we live on? Investment is a huge political issue. It takes time and lots of money for investment to start and finish. And whomever is in power when investments materialise are the ones to capitalise. That's why it is so important in England....(checks notes) a country with a two party political where one party tends to be in power for decades that they don't make investments as they might not be the ones in power when it pays off?
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Guavanaut posted:Centre-left soc-dem economic issues? God that's depressing. Does this make Starmer right in the direction he has taken the party? At least in the "do whatever it takes to win".
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Jel Shaker posted:i like the tall blonde one who isn’t as charismatic as he thinks he is i heard he's a creationist too? bloody loony lefty bbc 
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Bumfluff posted:Still remember this years later: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjH4arIn-80 i've always thought he was gripped by blind panic and my favourite bit is the cough to try to cover it up
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fuctifino posted:I guess our biggest exports will soon be plagues
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fuctifino posted:I guess our biggest exports will soon be plagues Had a big rant to my 'tory but don't really talk about politics' family about Therese Coffey the other day and got some awkward silences and this morning found a picture of my Stepdad with her. Lmao.
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https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1581254604058021888 I mentioned about this the other day. So with the 1922 committee being powerless under the current rules, though there is a mechanism to change said rules which would take time, I guess the next step is a vote of confidence in the house? Tomberforce posted:Had a big rant to my 'tory but don't really talk about politics' family about Therese Coffey the other day and got some awkward silences and this morning found a picture of my Stepdad with her. Lmao. Oh gently caress. I'm so sorry. lmao I stopped talking to my mum completely a few weeks ago after yet another failed attempt at building bridges, as trying to pick through her telegraph pickled brain was like peeling an onion, only to find more rot, lies and gaslighting. I've given up putting any more effort into the relationship, as the whole situation was draining energy I don't have. I have better relationships with strangers I meet when out than I do with my own mum... Not sure what your situation is (or anyone else reading this in a similar situation), but you can choose your friends AND your family. I also cut my brother out over a decade ago and haven't looked back. Toxic people are toxic people, regardless of whether you share a history and/or DNA with them.
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Lady Gaza posted:Maybe she didn’t realise there’s a difference between making campaign speeches to deranged Tory party members who’ll cheer anything regardless of how much sense it makes as long as it appeals to their prejudices, She's like a wrestler who had a bad head injury, can no longer understand the concept of kayfabe, and so talks in shoot interviews even when dealing with backstage staff
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fuctifino posted:I guess our biggest exports will soon be plagues LOL there is no way the civil servants can let this happen, right? gently caress me sideways.
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fuctifino posted:I guess our biggest exports will soon be plagues This'll probably just be the totally useless ones like aureomycin you've been able to get over the counter in other countries for decades, and which we've been routinely feeding to cattle for just as long. It'll make NHS triage a lot more easy when the serious patients are the ones stained yellow from head to foot.
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forkboy84 posted:LOL there is no way the civil servants can let this happen, right? gently caress me sideways. Oh great that's all we need is even more of the doctor's job to land on us and even more people losing their minds because we cannot provide every service perfectly with just three minimum wage part-timers and an exhausted pharmacist. e: had a guy absolutely blow his stack yesterday because we asked him to sign the back of his morphine prescription. You're meant to sign all of them but we mostly do it for folk. But controlled drugs are another matter. He insisted it had never happened before and yelled for minutes before finally phoning his wife, who told him yes, that's right, you have to sign for it. He did and said to me "She says I have to sign it." "So not really worth shouting at me then, was it sir?" "Well it's just one of those things." One of those things like you thinking I'd be afraid of you, you big fuckwit.
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