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JamesKPolk posted:If this is gonna be a cross-forum fund (which, I think there is something to be said for that), than is C-SPAM the best place to post about it? GBS gets more readership, right? What about BFC? I bet they'd be a good place to recruit people w/ the various fund management expertise that people seem to want, as well as a good source of potential donors. Personally I think it should be in E/N that way it sets the tone of being one of support and sincerity.
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changed my mind a little bit. I think whatever group of people are in charge of the fund will need to have equal visibility into all the requests for funding since you'd want that group of people to have mutual audit over the payout platform anyways, and the two can't really be separated in practice. that said, still think it should just be first come first serve payouts within reason, and the group in charge of the fund is just for mutual accountability in the cash part and not for voting on whether people get cash or not and public reports of all cash flow activity should be made frequently with donors and recipients anonymized
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Oct 18, 2022 02:50
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I agree, and the committee should be more for accountability and if there's large requests or money is tight. Also because some kind of "board" is going to be required by any state government.
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other stuff-- https://thedailytexan.com/2021/03/04/mutual-aid-continues-to-serve-communities-but-can-be-taxed-by-the-government/ https://donorbox.org/pricing looks good. this fee plus stripe fee is pretty low and gets things up and running with a few clicks like some other poster said, if people want to run this as a committee with mutual accountability over finances, next step is: incorporate, get a corp bank account, and apply for nonprofit status. if a committee of goons is going to be auditing payouts this sucker can't run out of someone's personal account or it's back to square zero, so gotta at minimum get a corp account set up, then hook it up to Venmo, stripe, and donorbox or whatever. really queer Christmas posted:I agree, and the committee should be more for accountability and if there's large requests or money is tight. Also because some kind of "board" is going to be required by any state government. yeah, people can vote for big exceptions above the usual "just gimme cash" limit so the fund can support exceptional situations if needed speng31b has issued a correction as of 03:03 on Oct 18, 2022 |
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speng31b posted:like some other poster said, if people want to run this as a committee with mutual accountability over finances, next step is: incorporate, get a corp bank account, and apply for nonprofit status. oof. this seems like a problem. anyone going to step up and get it going?
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JamesKPolk posted:If this is gonna be a cross-forum fund (which, I think there is something to be said for that), than is C-SPAM the best place to post about it? GBS gets more readership, right? What about BFC? I bet they'd be a good place to recruit people w/ the various fund management expertise that people seem to want, as well as a good source of potential donors. i'm actually relatively sure cspam is the best place just because it is the highest trafficked forum. if this is wrong i'll take the L
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Oct 18, 2022 03:22
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GOD IS BED posted:oof. this seems like a problem. anyone going to step up and get it going? i'd do it but i dont really want my full name and address avail even to the small committee group lol so im really hoping someone else will step up.
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Oct 18, 2022 03:23
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done. sent out PMs to prospective board members. Discord meeting on Thursday, we'll vote on the charter and hopefully elect a chairman, treasurer etc then
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GOD IS BED posted:oof. this seems like a problem. anyone going to step up and get it going? Lady Radia posted:i'd do it but i dont really want my full name and address avail even to the small committee group lol so im really hoping someone else will step up. well -- the other option is just basically do what plinkey did and keep it on someone's personal, don't incorporate, don't apply to become a nonprofit, but just add the element of anonymized public records of cash activity being published + provide much better margins by using a sane platform like stripe instead of patreon
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Oct 18, 2022 03:47
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Calibanibal posted:done. sent out PMs to prospective board members. Discord meeting on Thursday, we'll vote on the charter and hopefully elect a chairman, treasurer etc then good work calibanibal, you'll go far here. don't forget we're playing the back nine this friday
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Oct 18, 2022 03:49
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If any board members are interested in an officer position, please get me your salary requirements in writing by Thursday. Considering our planned overhead, we'll be in a position to offer very generous compensation.
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Lady Radia posted:i'm actually relatively sure cspam is the best place just because it is the highest trafficked forum. CSPAM gets the most traffic during times where there’s a lot of political things to discuss, like election season. During off-periods, not so much. GBS is higher then. I think incorporating is a better option, myself, although I understand the hesitation for anyone to put their full names up
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Calibanibal posted:If any board members are interested in an officer position, please get me your salary requirements in writing by Thursday. Considering our planned overhead, we'll be in a position to offer very generous compensation. 10,000 dollars a day
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Oct 18, 2022 04:10
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lumpentroll posted:10,000 dollars a day
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Calibanibal posted:If any board members are interested in an officer position, please get me your salary requirements in writing by Thursday. Considering our planned overhead, we'll be in a position to offer very generous compensation. feelin so leftist right now thinking about making you the VP of finance
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Oct 18, 2022 04:13
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another option would just be for the "committee people" to set up a joint bank account but not incorporate, not form a nonprofit, etc. slight variation of below but the committee members would need to at least trust each other enough to share personal info forming the joint accountspeng31b posted:well -- the other option is just basically do what plinkey did and keep it on someone's personal, don't incorporate, don't apply to become a nonprofit, but just add the element of anonymized public records of cash activity being published + provide much better margins by using a sane platform like stripe instead of patreon
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Oct 18, 2022 04:23
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I do not think having it be in a person’s personal account is a good idea in the slightest. Way too many problems occur if something happens to that person
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Lady Radia posted:I don’t like the idea of this only bc it feels like it restricts it to CSPAM by a lot. and I’ll be honest the last 72 hours has me pretty soured on it lmao you aren’t the only person who dislikes this subforum. a lot of people are disgusted by it, and some don’t care about its content or politics in general. for this reason maybe it’s a good idea to have this discussion in a different subforum, like GBS, QCS, or CCCC. to maximize thread visibility and cross-forum participation, the forums announcement system, sticky threads, and banner ads could be used. keeping this in c-spam restricts it to c-spam, like you said about “what if there were c-spam thread reps.”
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Oct 18, 2022 14:15
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I think it should be somewhere else. There's a lot of dumb interforum rivalry that should not get in the way of people getting the help they need even if that is solely due to their own reluctance to go into the TRUMO zone for real life aid. I'd say QCS, because it's neutral(ish) ground and you have to be logged in to see it
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nobody except drama freaks reads qcs. worrying about the placement of the thread is dumb when the fund isnt even set up yet.
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GOD IS BED posted:nobody except drama freaks reads qcs. this but also it should def be in a neutral place if thats even possible
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Oct 18, 2022 15:07
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Coupons & Deals seems like the natural place for this
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HallelujahLee posted:this but also it should def be in a neutral place if thats even possible Oddly enough Video Games is probably the most popular "neutral" board for this but it would feel really weird there.
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tcc imo
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CCCC is kind of a dedicated "neutral space" a lot of disparate chat threads end up in but it's not exactly the most visible place, I bet there's a lot of posters who don't even know it exists
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i guess the admins can make stickies everywhere to point to the thread if it gets put in coupons or something
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im glad this is being seriously proposed the only thing I know about this is to put everything in that one office in deleware. that completes a magic ritual that protects you from the irs.
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several different directions this can go. my recommendation right now: - everyone had a day to kick around ideas and research stuff - to keep things moving today people should pick the 5-person core group - that group can make faster decisions about which path to take to keep momentum going (with feedback from the thread, etc) since people seem to be leaning towards potentially incorporating and forming a 501(c)(3), i guess anyone who wants to be involved should be willing to have their info made public and take the commitment seriously, since being on the board of a 501(c)(3) is public info. speng31b has issued a correction as of 16:20 on Oct 18, 2022 |
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thetoughestbean posted:I do not think having it be in a person’s personal account is a good idea in the slightest. Way too many problems occur if something happens to that person Right. I worked with a volunteer group that wound up incorporating, and according to a lawyer who volunteered for us it provided a liability shield too. Might be an apples to oranges thing, since we were a group organizing actions, and events, and meetings, but I'm just throwing out the protections flow both ways, and isn't just a matter of "Do you trust this person with the money?" Though scale also matters, if the fund never raises more than 1k, spending a couple hundred on making it official might not be the best use of resources.
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Catgirl Al Capone posted:CCCC is kind of a dedicated "neutral space" a lot of disparate chat threads end up in but it's not exactly the most visible place, I bet there's a lot of posters who don't even know it exists if money's being given out word's going to get out, to be honest
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Coolness Averted posted:Right. I worked with a volunteer group that wound up incorporating, and according to a lawyer who volunteered for us it provided a liability shield too. Might be an apples to oranges thing, since we were a group organizing actions, and events, and meetings, but I'm just throwing out the protections flow both ways, and isn't just a matter of "Do you trust this person with the money?" incorporating is absolutely a liability shield. doing it out of a personal account puts someone in a position to be potentially liable for tax on it. could you consult with a tax professional and minimize that personal risk in a number of ways? yes. but it's still a tradeoff to consider.
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I'm gonna nominate, if they accept, speng31b as one of the members.
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really queer Christmas posted:I'm gonna nominate, if they accept, speng31b as one of the members. seconded. also would like to nominate kingcobweb.
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GOD IS BED posted:seconded. also would like to nominate kingcobweb. appreciate it- I don’t mind having my name on stuff because it seems privacy is a huge deal for a lot of people who want to be involved.
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Skyl3lazer posted:No but what if they're terrorists? This is a very real and legitimate concern and no motion should happen on this fund unless it is solved to my personal satisfaction. I hear you but as a goon who openly has their hat in their hand it's like.. idk
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Dustcat posted:Coupons & Deals seems like the natural place for this as someone openly asking for assistance this feels pretty hurtful. at least plinkey isn't out here saying stuff like this
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I think KC is a good choice for the public face of the org, seeing as he's already "doxxed" himself. I'm up for helping in whatever grunt work is necessary, but I try to keep my IRL self and online names seperate
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Neurolimal posted:I think KC is a good choice for the public face of the org, seeing as he's already "doxxed" himself. just to be clear, because i don't think i explained this well enough in my earlier post, if the 501(c)(3) route is what people wind up wanting, all of the 5 people in the "core group" would have their info on public filings. there's not much an option to form a public charitable org with less than 5 people whose names and addresses (or PO box) are on public filings. 3 is technically the bare minimum but that's getting into risk of IRS not recognizing tax exempt status territory. speng31b has issued a correction as of 18:23 on Oct 18, 2022 |
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can committee members receive payouts from the fund? obvious... potential problems lets call them with that, but holding that aside, I'm a little worried that that precludes the people who would potentially need the fund in the future from participating in its governance. there's a principle in harm reduction communities that goes "nothing about us without us" that I think might be worth considering here
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The constitution draft has it to where the full committee must approve one of the members needing funds of any kind. Emergency cases may need to exist, however.
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