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I hope they pass this because I really don't trust the republicans not to gently caress everything up, even if it does look like there are enough of them not on russian payroll now.
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Oct 20, 2022 20:59
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Fifty billion is a lot. A quick googling suggests Ukraine's military budget in 2021 was around six billion.
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Oct 20, 2022 21:01
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“Through the year” meaning 2023?
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Oct 20, 2022 21:02
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mobby_6kl posted:I hope they pass this because I really don't trust the republicans not to gently caress everything up, even if it does look like there are enough of them not on russian payroll now. Even if there are enough you'd still want to pass it now to not have a financial hostage situation where the GOP demands some lovely domestic spending cuts as an offset in exchange for agreeing to Ukraine aid. Thats probably what the actual gameplan would be in the house if the GOP won. buglord posted:“Through the year” meaning 2023? Yes. The intention here would be to make the next congress irrelevant wrt Ukraine.
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Oct 20, 2022 21:03
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Feliday Melody posted:Imagine being an Iranian drone specialist, and you get deployed to Eastern Europe in November. Under the care of the Russian military. Ukraine said earlier that they had HIMARS'd some Russian military base and a couple dozen Iranian drone trainers were among the casualties. Not sure if that was confirmed though
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jaete posted:Ukraine said earlier that they had HIMARS'd some Russian military base and a couple dozen Iranian drone trainers were among the casualties. Not sure if that was confirmed though Considering we've only just confirmed that Iranian soldiers are on the ground helping to invade Ukraine, that would be a super fast discovery. Plus I don't think any launch sites for the terror weapons are in HIMARS range, but russia being russia that could yet be true. OAquinas fucked around with this message at 21:10 on Oct 20, 2022 |
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Oct 20, 2022 21:07
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Paladinus posted:Nah, he'll be fine. More likely is he'll get invited to more shows now to parrot the official line. The official stance, by the way, is if UN tries to investigate the drones, Russia stops paying UN fees, because how dare you not to trust us the drones are Russian, they even have Cyrillic letters on them, they can't be Iranian! 'it has cyrillic letters it belongs to russia' is, come to think of it, one of the only very consistent russian positions
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Oct 20, 2022 21:09
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Djarum posted:They have been making missions over the Black Sea and Poland basically since the war started, both River Joint and Combat Sent platforms. probably just wanted it to gently caress off while they conducted their withdrawal from kherson and whatever other poo poo they were up to with the dam and... elsewhere
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Oct 20, 2022 21:11
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Rigel posted:Even if there are enough you'd still want to pass it now to not have a financial hostage situation where the GOP demands some lovely domestic spending cuts as an offset in exchange for agreeing to Ukraine aid. Thats probably what the actual gameplan would be in the house if the GOP won. Yeah McCarthy was beaking off about it so the idea is to sneak it in in case mid terms go sour.
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Oct 20, 2022 21:13
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Cicero posted:Fifty billion is a lot. A quick googling suggests Ukraine's military budget in 2021 was around six billion. Would be interesting to know what the breakdown of military vs non-military aid is
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Oct 20, 2022 21:13
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Honestly, this has been the best bang for the buck US has put on defense since WW2. At least part of these packages are used to directly weaken their enemies, unlike all that expensive posturing during the Cold War and the War on Terror. It's a rare treat to still be able to claim moral high ground in such a clear proxy war. If the general economic situation was better in US, this would be even more well-received.
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Oct 20, 2022 21:15
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OAquinas posted:Considering we've only just confirmed that Iranian soldiers are on the ground helping to invade Ukraine, that would be a super fast discovery. Plus I don't think any launch sites for the terror weapons are in HIMARS range, but russia being russia that could yet be true.  BoldFace posted:Honestly, this has been the best bang for the buck US has put on defense since WW2. At least part of these packages are used to directly weaken their enemies, unlike all that expensive posturing during the Cold War and the War on Terror. It's a rare treat to still be able to claim moral high ground in such a clear proxy war. If the general economic situation was better in US, this would be even more well-received. Some dipshit like McCarthy going... nah and torpedoing everything would be an incredible self-own for the world order we've been trying to create in opposition to fuckers like Putin and Xi. Rigel posted:Even if there are enough you'd still want to pass it now to not have a financial hostage situation where the GOP demands some lovely domestic spending cuts as an offset in exchange for agreeing to Ukraine aid. Thats probably what the actual gameplan would be in the house if the GOP won. Oh absolutely, wouldn't want the whole thing being held up by some chud, this is no joke life or death poo poo
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Oct 20, 2022 21:23
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If you remember this guy cinci edit:  POW intimidation, gorehttps://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1578491654180196353 Here is a short interview where he explains how he ended up pinned against the wall. Also happens to show his condition after being captured which looks good however we don't know about his leg or other injuries. https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1583118083337596930 (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) Somebody fucked around with this message at 21:43 on Oct 20, 2022 |
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Oct 20, 2022 21:32
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https://www.thedailybeast.com/scorned-russian-mothers-use-putins-draft-to-rat-out-deadbeat-exes?ref=home
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Oct 20, 2022 21:36
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https://twitter.com/cepa/status/1583148562065412096?s=20&t=nSU9xyQR6KAktn8oX_Cc0w The Nord Stream sabotage is such a perfect ideological Rorschach test. It's literally a hole in the water with zero physical evidence, yet everyone is all too happy to jump and point the finger at their preferred perpetrator. It's perfectly safe to make any claim you please too, because if the Swedes or Danes do come up with evidence weeks or months later, people will already have formed their opinions, and anything that doesn't match it will be disregarded as having been planted.
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Oct 20, 2022 21:40
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Hannibal Rex posted:https://twitter.com/cepa/status/1583148562065412096?s=20&t=nSU9xyQR6KAktn8oX_Cc0w That's inaccurate. There's tons of physical evidence, most damningly that it exploded from the inside out.
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Oct 20, 2022 22:01
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OAquinas posted:That's inaccurate. There's tons of physical evidence, most damningly that it exploded from the inside out. Everyone made their conclusion way before that was revealed though 
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Apologies if this bit about Russian debt payments was already posted https://twitter.com/FTAlphaville/status/1582597394516283393 Some excerpts from the paywalled article    
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Oct 20, 2022 22:23
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If Russia blows the Kahrkova dam for whatever reason it'll flood the east bank of the Dnipro and some of Kherson city. https://twitter.com/maria_avdv/status/1583169853485043712?s=20&t=bk1XO0sCv1Cz0HXbO2VPDw
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I'm seeing a couple articles quoting Zelensky requesting a international monitoring mission to the Kakhovka dam: https://www.yahoo.com/now/russia-mined-kakhovka-dam-ready-174400512.html quote:According to the president, Ukrainian employees of the Kakhovka HEPP were driven out, placing the facility under complete Russian control. Zelenskyy urged the international community to send a monitoring mission to the plant in order to ensure its safe operation. Does anyone know what Zelensky actually said regarding this? I can't find it in his Telegram post edit: ty Flavahbeast fucked around with this message at 01:18 on Oct 21, 2022 |
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Flavahbeast posted:I'm seeing a couple articles quoting Zelensky requesting a international monitoring mission to the Kakhovka dam: https://www.president.gov.ua/en/news/rosijskij-teror-maye-prograti-ukrayina-j-usya-yevropa-mayut-78613
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If Russia blows the drat, it could "lock in" territorial gains in the south of Ukraine, at least for the winter. I know everyone is saying "but Crimea's water!", but Putin doesn't care about that in the short-term or even over the next several years. He believes he can--and intends to--conquer all of Ukraine. So what if one part of the Russian Empire goes without for a few years? It's for the greater good of (Muscovite) Russians, who will have more paint on the world map. Putin's strategy is fundamentally flawed, so his operational plans being absurd shouldn't surprise us.
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Oct 21, 2022 01:24
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Risky Bisquick posted:If you remember this guy Say what you want about these POW interviews, you can tell they’re not scripted. Russians all believe the same bullshit lies. I’m sure Ukrainians don’t particularly want to send thousands of ordinary 22 year olds like this one back to Russia in zinc coffins, but they have to because Putin and his cronies have filled their brains with gunk. What a disgusting waste of life. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Ynglaur posted:If Russia blows the drat, it could "lock in" territorial gains in the south of Ukraine, at least for the winter. I know everyone is saying "but Crimea's water!", but Putin doesn't care about that in the short-term or even over the next several years. He believes he can--and intends to--conquer all of Ukraine. So what if one part of the Russian Empire goes without for a few years? It's for the greater good of (Muscovite) Russians, who will have more paint on the world map. Putin's strategy is fundamentally flawed, so his operational plans being absurd shouldn't surprise us. Crimea's water was cut off between 2014 and March 2022, it would just hurt Crimea's agricultural output... not a major concern for military strategy
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Ynglaur posted:If Russia blows the drat, it could "lock in" territorial gains in the south of Ukraine, at least for the winter. I know everyone is saying "but Crimea's water!", but Putin doesn't care about that in the short-term or even over the next several years. He believes he can--and intends to--conquer all of Ukraine. So what if one part of the Russian Empire goes without for a few years? It's for the greater good of (Muscovite) Russians, who will have more paint on the world map. Putin's strategy is fundamentally flawed, so his operational plans being absurd shouldn't surprise us. I don't understand what you mean by "lock-in." Water infrastructure is my wheelhouse. If the dam was breached, flooding would ensue for perhaps two or three days (depending upon the stream morphology, how it's breached, and what you define as flooding). There would undoubtedly be infrastructure damage downstream, but I thought the major bridges were already damaged (correct me if I'm wrong since don't have time to check). Breaching the dam would serve mostly to cover a hasty retreat and sever another source of electricity. My gut tells me they're not going to do something so stupid as breach the dam. More likely they'd let the gates open and release as much water as possible. It'd allow for longer, more controlled flooding and still prevent cross-river navigation.
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Owling Howl posted:If Russia blows the Kahrkova dam for whatever reason it'll flood the east bank of the Dnipro and some of Kherson city. Thats pretty hosed up.
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Oct 21, 2022 03:33
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RockWhisperer posted:I don't understand what you mean by "lock-in." Water infrastructure is my wheelhouse. If the dam was breached, flooding would ensue for perhaps two or three days (depending upon the stream morphology, how it's breached, and what you define as flooding). There would undoubtedly be infrastructure damage downstream, but I thought the major bridges were already damaged (correct me if I'm wrong since don't have time to check). Breaching the dam would serve mostly to cover a hasty retreat and sever another source of electricity. From what I understand, the dam also controls the water that Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant uses to cool. And given how Russia has targeted infrastructure, I could see them blowing the dam in order to gently caress over the power plant as a method to worsen the humanitarian situation and force a negotiation. It's unnecessarily cruel and destructive, but that's kinda been the Russian MO for this whole conflict.
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J.A.B.C. posted:From what I understand, the dam also controls the water that Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant uses to cool. And given how Russia has targeted infrastructure, I could see them blowing the dam in order to gently caress over the power plant as a method to worsen the humanitarian situation and force a negotiation. Blowing the dam is not going to "force a negotiation" at all. In video game terms, this is just stupid button-mashing from someone who is losing and out of good options.
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Rigel posted:Blowing the dam is not going to "force a negotiation" at all. In video game terms, this is just stupid button-mashing from someone who is losing and out of good options. Uh...I have button mashed a few times and won the battle. Bad analogy.
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enigma74 posted:Uh...I have button mashed a few times and won the battle. Bad analogy. The point isn't that button mashing means victory is impossible. It is that you no longer have a viable strategy or plan or idea of how to win, so you start doing stuff without much thought hoping to randomly get very, very lucky.
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RockWhisperer posted:I don't understand what you mean by "lock-in." Water infrastructure is my wheelhouse. If the dam was breached, flooding would ensue for perhaps two or three days (depending upon the stream morphology, how it's breached, and what you define as flooding). There would undoubtedly be infrastructure damage downstream, but I thought the major bridges were already damaged (correct me if I'm wrong since don't have time to check). Breaching the dam would serve mostly to cover a hasty retreat and sever another source of electricity. I had assumed the effects would last longer. What you describe makes me wonder what benefit at all would Russia gain from destroying the dam.
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There have been warnings about Russia performing false flag attacks ever since this conflict reignited back in January-February, but have they actually implemented any so far?
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BoldFace posted:There have been warnings about Russia performing false flag attacks ever since this conflict reignited back in January-February, but have they actually implemented any so far? Potentially, but I don't know that any have been pinned conclusively on Russia. There was that POW barracks that got blown up, and some of the shelling of the Zaporizhzhia NPP reportedly came from the direction of Russia. Russia and Russia sympathizers blamed both of those on Ukraine, Ukraine and Ukraine sympathizers blamed them on Russia.
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Ynglaur posted:I had assumed the effects would last longer. What you describe makes me wonder what benefit at all would Russia gain from destroying the dam. It kills two power plants - the nuclear plant and the hydro plant in the dam. Plus Ukraine loses all the water for irrigation. Russia gains nothing. It causes pain to Ukrainians. That's the only point.
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Ynglaur posted:I had assumed the effects would last longer. What you describe makes me wonder what benefit at all would Russia gain from destroying the dam. I don't think there is any military benefit. The areas flooded would mostly be on the east side of the Dnipro - the side held by Russian forces. It's true that Ukrainian forces wouldn't be able to use the dam to cross but honestly it would be a bad idea to do that anyway for the exact same reasons it was a bad idea for Russia to remain on the west side of the river once it became clear they couldn't push Ukrainian forces out of striking distance of the bridges. Ukrainian forces would have to neutralize all Russian artillery in range of the river and set up AA that could reliably prevent missile and other aerial strikes on ferries and bridges. If they can't do that then any forces they send across will have the same logistical problems Russian forces on the west side of the river currently have. Moreover Ukraine doesn't have to take that risk - they can just attack through the frontline in Zaporizhzhia oblast 100 miles to the east. If they did blow it up it would either be spite or as part of the ongoing campaign against Ukrainian power plants. They could simply blow up the turbines and not the dam itself.
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Another dawn is breaking in Kyiv, and it's still Ukrainian.   
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Vivian Darkbloom posted:Apologies if this bit about Russian debt payments was already posted Frankly I think the only appropriate currency for exchange with roubles right now should be Dogecoin at a suitably deflated rate.  Fake edit: Not a crypto-bro Cable Guy fucked around with this message at 05:51 on Oct 21, 2022 |
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