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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The study linked earlier about 1 in 7 men saying they have 0 friends is pretty stark. Capitalism drives a tendency to commodify everything. This alienates people from themselves and others: this drive often degrades social relations as a side-effect of profit generation (people living in car-dependent burbs), but also as a direct effect with things like making friendships feel transactional, like when everyone around a table is venmoing each other for lattes, or dating apps specifically designed to make people frustrated and obsessive.
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I feel like you have to be wary of anything done by Rolling Stone, but this is a weird story. I wonder what Meek was up to. https://twitter.com/RollingStone/status/1582707631990493186
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Just absolutely LOL that a fracking vote took down a Tory government when the same vote probably wouldn't even get Democrat support here.
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Jaxyon posted:Just absolutely LOL that a fracking vote took down a Tory government when the same vote probably wouldn't even get Democrat support here. Kinda lol because I imagine Labour wouldn't even entertain it if there was actually anyone intersted in fracking the UK. From what I've heard, there's absolutely fuckall resources actually worth fracking there, even if they literally paid oil and gas companies to do it there'd probably be zero interest.
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Eric Cantonese posted:I feel like you have to be wary of anything done by Rolling Stone, but this is a weird story. I wonder what Meek was up to. This not very well-written story is getting a lot of right-wing spin and reframing to suggest that Meek has been disappeared to a government blacksite- in practice it looks like he's just not talking to anyone except through his attorney (who does not seem to have expressed any concern about his "disappearance").
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Eric Cantonese posted:I feel like you have to be wary of anything done by Rolling Stone, but this is a weird story. I wonder what Meek was up to. that he isn't saying a goddamned thing and immediately quit his job says to me it's not something like "he had classified documents" or other freedom of the press sort of things, and is instead a normal criminal investigation if it was the sort of thing that was being insinuated - investigating him because he is going to publish something that the government would not like - his lawyer would be having his news org fighting it and being in the public eye, not having him resign and keep his mouth shut evilweasel fucked around with this message at 17:32 on Oct 20, 2022 |
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evilweasel posted:that he isn't saying a goddamned thing and immediately quit his job says to me it's not something like "he had classified documents" or other freedom of the press sort of things, and is instead a normal criminal investigation Its also weird as gently caress that only in the last couple days have people suddenly starting claiming Meek is missing...6 months after he allegedly disappeared following the raid Everything about this is weird up to and including Marjorie Taylor Greene tweeting about it and asking why it's not a story as opposed to "a white suburban girl going missing", and then walking that tweet back, claiming the FBI raid was due to allegations that Meek had CSAM on his laptop (and of course because she's MtG she used it to complain about the FBI not doing this more often and instead harassing parents at school board meetings or something). However, nobody else seems to be claiming that this is why the raid happened. So either she's making poo poo up to self-own herself, or she just leaked details of an active investigation. Whatever is going on, it's really baffling.
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Bear Enthusiast posted:Also your average man is much more likely to have a satisfying encounter with a stranger, and your average woman has to worry about the much higher odds of things going even worse than just "not good." this is a big one for women but it's multi-factor. Almost every woman has a story to tell about this. Everyone very likely knows someone or someones who have had a horrible experience from online dating (or just dating in general). Some of it is younger people growing up more online, socializing differently, as someone mentioned (arguably not a good thing and socially stunting). Some of it is also a "generational" turn away from perceived promiscuity of older generations, as well as drug use. Going along with that is media, some of it propaganda, that is being put out and absorbed, turning younger people away from sex. there is a backlash against perceived openness of/about sexuality, including among younger lgbtq+ people, with the idea that being openly gay/lesbian/trans is inherently sexual, which is a rehash of old bigotry. There is a kerfuffle over Pride because of this, despite the fact that Pride has been both accepted and co-opted by the mainstream, though more adult parts have always been segregated to a degree and are more so now. cat botherer posted:Yeah, I'd say its thesis has been strengthened quite a bit. atomization has been increasing due to the way social media works, yeah, and there's a whole other issue with tech actually decreasing productivity (in the sense that it distracts) and increasing overall unhappiness despite the fact that it makes certain things far easier. Many things have been streamlined, difficult or dangerous jobs have become automated, which is good, but wages and work have not. The industry of playing games to gather and sell items (now under a boss or company, even if the grey market is against a TOS), doing certain menial tasks machines can't do easily, gig work and etc which all suck and don't really produce much. A saturation of influencing, "brand ambassadors," parasocial trades, commodification of experiences and so on, which, on top of traditional advertising, exist only to create or focus demand, while increasing unhappiness. Economic exploitation through crypto and NFTs is now pushed as a gateway to getting rich or making some money. Cranappleberry fucked around with this message at 19:13 on Oct 20, 2022 |
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Cranappleberry posted:this is a big one for women but it's multi-factor. Almost every woman has a story to tell about this. Everyone very likely knows someone or someones who have had a horrible experience from online dating (or just dating in general). I think this has a lot of good insights, but the thing kind of blows me away and doesn't really track with that is how different it was ~9 years earlier. Is 9 years really enough for such a dramatic culture shift? Online dating was still big in 2009 or 2010. There was worse youth unemployment and housing independence in 2009 than 2018. I think that a portion of LGBT people being less sexually active wouldn't move the needle that much either. Even if the percentage was as high as 20% of the LGBT population, that would be a very small percentage of the total U.S. population.
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What do you folks think of the "voter fraud" investigations and arrests happening in Florida right now?
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ManBoyChef posted:What do you folks think of the "voter fraud" investigations and arrests happening in Florida right now?
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ManBoyChef posted:What do you folks think of the "voter fraud" investigations and arrests happening in Florida right now? It's DeSantis being a psycho with peoples' lives to help his inevitable Presidential campaign. Even more psychotic is the reason that most of those people couldn't vote is because DeSantis personally sued to allow himself to not restore all voting rights under the constitutional amendment they passed to restore felon voting rights. NYT background for anyone who isn't up to date on it. quote:Videos Show Confusion as Florida Police Arrest People on Voter Fraud Charges
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:I think this has a lot of good insights, but the thing kind of blows me away and doesn't really track with that is how different it was ~9 years earlier. Is 9 years really enough for such a dramatic culture shift? Online dating was still big in 2009 or 2010. There was worse youth unemployment and housing independence in 2009 than 2018. online dating apps were less exploitative. I won't say it was the wild west, because people have been meeting people they talk to on the internet for long before that, but it started getting bigger in the early aughts and eventually huge with the advent of widespread social media. Some of younger lgbtq+ people turning away from sex, or even buying into bigoted propaganda, is an example rather than responsible for the dramatic shift itself. Also, with people moving away from areas that they can't get work or is dangerous for them to exist in, as well as often zero support for grass-roots efforts, support networks that existed collapsed or are in a constant state of forming and breaking, with those who are different and/or marginalized refusing to expose themselves to potential dangers, despite the narrative that they are accepted and things are "better." It might be statistically small, but it's important to recognize. Conformity can seem protective. Cranappleberry fucked around with this message at 19:22 on Oct 20, 2022 |
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:It's DeSantis being a psycho with peoples' lives to help his inevitable Presidential campaign. It doesn't matter if they were doing fraud, GovRon needs some some fraud to point at to do more fascism. Like it literally doesn't matter at all if they did fraud knowingly or at all. It's all about narrative, same as the Martha's Vineyard stunt.
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mawarannahr posted:If this is some new rule, put it in the rules thread. Also, just because someone is from somewhere doesn’t make them an expert. I’m not an expert on Turkey and if someone got probed for disrespecting my lived experience or whatever I’d think it extremely silly. It may be a good idea to codify it. I haven't done so because it doesn't come up very often and still falls under Rule I. But the idea is that if someone has any kind of specialized knowledge, that is valuable to the forum and we ought to do what we can to keep them interested and welcomed. This does not mean you can't disagree with them, but if you do you should be extra careful with the quality of your arguments.
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https://twitter.com/nixonron/status/1583022972109197315 This seems relevant to the recent discussion of 'should we send troops to Haiti or literally anywhere else' It's pretty big but extremely par for the course as far as historical precedent.
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/midterm-elections-jim-banks-debt-limit-house-republican-majority/ This tactic hasn't worked all the other times they tried it, but please Republicans, please keep sticking your collective dicks into this wasp's nest.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:I think this has a lot of good insights, but the thing kind of blows me away and doesn't really track with that is how different it was ~9 years earlier. Is 9 years really enough for such a dramatic culture shift? Online dating was still big in 2009 or 2010. There was worse youth unemployment and housing independence in 2009 than 2018. nuh uh, tinder didnt get released until Sept 2012 and didnt catch on until a year or two after that. in 09/10 it was all POF and okcupid and it was still 'weird' to date online, at least in my experienecs. I'd say it didnt really become a 'thing' until 2013-2014 or so. This graph from "businessofapps.com" suggests it was even later but idk how trustworthy their data is e: oops, this is just paying subscribers and not active users. Couldnt find that info easily, but this is the source for the number of paying subscribers: https://www.businessofapps.com/data/tinder-statistics/ BIG-DICK-BUTT-FUCK fucked around with this message at 12:10 on Oct 21, 2022 |
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Musk says he wants to: - Cut 75% of Twitter's work force. - Double revenue in 3 years by increasing ads, enabling ads that are embedded to avoid adblockers, and finding other ways to monetize the platform. - Shutdown Twitter's AI division, content moderation division, health division, and most of its security and IT division. - Stop banning or suspending celebrity accounts (including Kanye West and restoring Trump's account). - Enable a new premium subscription version of Twitter with a monthly fee. I was not even aware that Twitter had a health science division. Musk also wants to implement a real version of the story about Henry Ford firing the bottom 10% of employees every year (regardless of how well they are performing) for Twitter staff: quote:The company is instituting a performance review system called stack ranking that requires managers to grade employees on a numerical curve, so that a set percentage of workers will always be marked as low performers, according to one of the company documents obtained by The Post. The move has been protested by staff members. https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1583206149297696768 quote:Twitter’s workforce is likely to be hit with massive cuts in the coming months, no matter who owns the company, interviews and documents obtained by The Washington Post show, a change likely to have major impact on its ability to control harmful content and prevent data security crises. On the hand, it sounds like Elon might be doing the world a favor by killing Twitter. On the other hand, it could very possibly survive and just be far worse. Also, it sounds like working for Elon/Twitter will be hell for the 25% for survive.
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# ? Oct 21, 2022 14:22 |
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RIP Twitter, we hardly knew ye.
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Clarste posted:RIP Twitter, we hardly knew ye. Is that really going to happen? I feel like Twitter is so embedded in how people go through the internet now that it'll take a while for its userbase to erode. I don't know anything else that competes. Maybe Musk is right and everything will be just great for his new version of Twitter because God seems to love him.
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It's not like Twitter is terribly well run right now, so I'd probably stick around for a while to at least see what happens with the changes. There's room for other approaches, like more self-selected moderation (e.g. subscribe to someone else's ban list or something, I dunno). But I will close my account the day they unban Trump.Eric Cantonese posted:Is that really going to happen? I feel like Twitter is so embedded in how people go through the internet now that it'll take a while for its userbase to erode. I don't know anything else that competes. Yeah. Back when the deal was first announced, a bunch of folks were talking about moving to Mastodon (which is federated, so a totally different approach to moderation, and with all those accompanying challenges). But new social networks tend to come from nowhere, so probably it will be something we've never heard of. ColdPie fucked around with this message at 14:41 on Oct 21, 2022 |
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If Musk takes direct charge of Twitter (which I imagine he will) then it will be a disaster. Getting rid of all content regulation is going to make it a nightmare.
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FlamingLiberal posted:If Musk takes direct charge of Twitter (which I imagine he will) then it will be a disaster. Getting rid of all content regulation is going to make it a nightmare. I figure he'll end up selling it off once he's done running it into the ground to prove whatever point he thought he was making by buying it in the first place, at which point the new owners will probably revert back to something closer to how it was before the buyout, but by then the damage will have been done and we'll probably be on some new Twitter-like that someone else puts out once Twitter gets all of their Nazis back.
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# ? Oct 21, 2022 14:49 |
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I keep hearing about how Facebook is supposedly in danger but they seem to be doing just fine in terms of userbase. Their main problem seems to be lighting money on fire trying to establish the Metaverse.
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It's hard to kill something like Twitter from the outside, but it can absolutely be killed by rot from within. If he fucks it up badly enough it could start experiencing long and frequent periods in which the fundamentals of using the site at all are difficult for most or all of the users, whether this is due to downtime, major bugs, or security breaches. It will also be very hard to attract new engineering staff to fix these things
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Koos Group posted:It may be a good idea to codify it. I haven't done so because it doesn't come up very often and still falls under Rule I. But the idea is that if someone has any kind of specialized knowledge, that is valuable to the forum and we ought to do what we can to keep them interested and welcomed. This does not mean you can't disagree with them, but if you do you should be extra careful with the quality of your arguments.
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Eric Cantonese posted:I keep hearing about how Facebook is supposedly in danger but they seem to be doing just fine in terms of userbase. Their main problem seems to be lighting money on fire trying to establish the Metaverse.
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Eric Cantonese posted:I keep hearing about how Facebook is supposedly in danger but they seem to be doing just fine in terms of userbase. Their main problem seems to be lighting money on fire trying to establish the Metaverse. facebook is a tremendously, incredibly uncool thing among anyone younger than 30 or so and it is steadily bleeding even the people who are over 30 but not yet boomers mostly just sort of keep it around from when it used to be cool it is now a boomer paradise nobody else wants to be involved with, which is fine for the present but because it's value comes from the network effect it also tends to collapse exponentially that's the reason they keep desperately buying whatever the new social network is but instagram has also started to fall off too
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haveblue posted:It's hard to kill something like Twitter from the outside, but it can absolutely be killed by rot from within. If he fucks it up badly enough it could start experiencing long and frequent periods in which the fundamentals of using the site at all are difficult for most or all of the users, whether this is due to downtime, major bugs, or security breaches. It will also be very hard to attract new engineering staff to fix these things There will be a very interesting crop of lawsuits when the content moderation stops. And the plaintiff getting discovery showing that the CEO told them to stop banning terrorists, or whatever, will be good evidence of negligence.
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Devor posted:There will be a very interesting crop of lawsuits when the content moderation stops. i'm not sure there will be, because of section 230 that said, there is a reason nobody ever wants to use the "twitter, but without moderation" clones
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If Musk takes over Twitter it sounds like it will get much, much worse before it ever goes away. Or at least, I think whatever damage will be done by his approach to moderation and wanting to unchain right wing psychos is going to do a whole lot of harm long before anyone seriously starts to abandon the site, not to mention there just isn't much to fill the void for a large demographic. Odds are you now just have a more mainstream parler/gab/whatever. At that point I feel like the best you can hope for is it loses Musk a ton of money and makes more of his stans realize he's a moron.
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Yeah, it's not going to be lawsuits, it's going to be the service becoming more trouble than it's worth. Even if you're willing to put up with the torrents of replies from horrible people, or if you're forced to because you get paid to, if the site just straight up does not work to the point that it can't accept or show new posts, and this continues on and off for a long time, it's hard to see how it recovers from that
haveblue fucked around with this message at 15:35 on Oct 21, 2022 |
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evilweasel posted:i'm not sure there will be, because of section 230 Open question whether ole Musky is going to keep them around to cover them under the 230 exceptions 18 U.S. Code § 1591 - Sex trafficking of children or by force, fraud, or coercion 18 U.S. Code § 2421A - Promotion or facilitation of prostitution and reckless disregard of sex trafficking
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Devor posted:Open question whether ole Musky is going to keep them around to cover them under the 230 exceptions To be fair to Musk, when he says he will eliminate content moderation, I don't think he is talking about child porn or prostitution.
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Having thought about it some more since my last post, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he's saying 3/4 of this poo poo because he thinks he's playing some sort of Nth dimensional chess and still trying to get out of buying it or manipulate the market somehow for when he tries to sell it. In all honesty, I'm really kind of just expecting him to have Trump/whoever else he likes unbanned, maybe ban some people who made fun of him, and then gently caress off and try to unload it onto some other sucker.
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The law that created DeSantis' voter fraud prosecution department didn't actually give the office jurisdiction to prosecute voter fraud and the charges from the arrests have been dismissed. https://twitter.com/lbarronlopez/status/1583474870242840578
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Eric Cantonese posted:Is that really going to happen? I feel like Twitter is so embedded in how people go through the internet now that it'll take a while for its userbase to erode. I don't know anything else that competes. It happened to Tumblr and has been slowly happening to Facebook for over a decade. I don't think Twitter will die, but I could definitely see it decaying to the point that it's no longer the mainstay social media platform for trends and current events. Would love to think that the sunset of Twitter would be a good thing for the internet overall, but I can't imagine whatever replaces it being better.
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evilweasel posted:facebook is a tremendously, incredibly uncool thing among anyone younger than 30 or so and it is steadily bleeding even the people who are over 30 but not yet boomers mostly just sort of keep it around from when it used to be cool
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Musk says he wants to: I can't think of a bigger red flag of institutional rot in Twitter than newly instituting stack ranking in 2022. It's an infamously bad practice in the tech industry, notorious for its longtime use in Microsoft, where its numerous flaws have been very well documented. Throwing Twitter's entire workforce into a crab bucket and only keeping the first 25% to climb out could very well be devastating. A potential issue I don't see coming up much in the media reporting about the Twitter deal, though, is how blatantly politicized it's already become. Hardcore Trump supporters are ecstatic at the idea of Musk buying Twitter, and start screaming about liberal plots to sabotage Musk every time anything slows the deal. I wonder about the long-term impact that'll have on Twitter's business under Musk. https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1583414733478064128 Eric Cantonese posted:I keep hearing about how Facebook is supposedly in danger but they seem to be doing just fine in terms of userbase. Their main problem seems to be lighting money on fire trying to establish the Metaverse. Facebook's user numbers are dropping, and (more importantly) they're having a harder time effectively monetizing those users. The drops in revenue and userbase are fairly small so far, but Facebook doesn't have any real path to reversing either, and if advertisers start to lose faith in them it could rapidly turn into a death spiral (though companies that big don't die fast, no matter how disastrous their business model becomes). That's exactly why they're shoveling money into the metaverse furnace. Their core business is starting to disappoint the markets, and they don't seem to have a way to get those numbers back to levels the investor types will be happy with, so they're going back to the tried-and-true startup tactic of promising some big moonshot breakthrough in hopes that it'll distract the media from their dwindling revenue.
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