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Tweak
Jul 28, 2003

or dont whatever








I think the complaint has come up before regarding mox, the history of Wild Thing being used by Onita not-with-standing

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flatluigi
Apr 23, 2008

here come the planes
i still miss swerve coming out to Ain't Nobody but it's not like i dislike his new theme

wrestling characters are varied and themes sell the characters, though i'd easily love to see someone with a super goth or punk look break out something really peppy as a theme just for contrast, like that death metal band Party Cannon and their logo

Kvlt!
May 19, 2012



if i was in the UFC/WWE/any promotion where I had to do a walkout I would have it in my contract they're only allowed to use this song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsfnuyyjaB0

Lurks With Wolves
Jan 14, 2013

At least I don't dance with them, right?

Pope Corky the IX posted:

I can recall people complaining about themes that don't fit or songs being used in general (like for a PPV) but now all I can think of is a bunch of examples from the 80s.

There's always that one guy with an off-brand Randy Newman song for his WWE theme. I'm blanking on his name and there have been too many conversations about whether it "works" as an entrance theme, but it does make it a lot more memorable than the dozen vaguely metal themes his peers had.

Alaois
Feb 7, 2012

Lurks With Wolves posted:

There's always that one guy with an off-brand Randy Newman song for his WWE theme. I'm blanking on his name and there have been too many conversations about whether it "works" as an entrance theme, but it does make it a lot more memorable than the dozen vaguely metal themes his peers had.

ROB CONWAY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHjftB_dDmM

King Of Coons
May 5, 2006

Pope Corky the IX posted:

I do appreciate that. I'd pick something like the old Post Raisin Bran song.

Two scoops! (slams)

Pope Corky the IX
Dec 18, 2006

What are you looking at?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Biuwby6j5Gw

Dr. Quarex
Apr 18, 2003

I'M A BIG DORK WHO POSTS TOO MUCH ABOUT CONVENTIONS LOOK AT THIS

TOVA TOVA TOVA
I remember a lot of people in my indy fed being mad when Undertaker was using ROLLIN' ROLLIN' ROLLIN' but it was because it sucked* and he (then) sucked rather than that it did not fit the character

*I absolutely would listen to this song if it were randomly playing today, mind, but at the time Fred Durst was avoid at all costs

CarlCX
Dec 14, 2003

Kvlt! posted:

I love in UFC where it's just a sport and they aren't playing characters and you can just choose any song you want.

A thing I regularly think of now re: wrestling music is one of the scariest, most violent men in MMA history made his entrances to Sam and Dave's "Hold On, I'm Comin'" and it was the most intimidating thing in the loving world.

Dr. Quarex
Apr 18, 2003

I'M A BIG DORK WHO POSTS TOO MUCH ABOUT CONVENTIONS LOOK AT THIS

TOVA TOVA TOVA
I instantly think both of Mike Tyson coming to the ring with a single ominous tone playing or in the Key and Peele movie the quote that you know the gang member "Cheddar" is bad news because he does not even need a tough nickname

Kvlt!
May 19, 2012



Dr. Quarex posted:

I instantly think both of Mike Tyson coming to the ring with a single ominous tone playing or in the Key and Peele movie the quote that you know the gang member "Cheddar" is bad news because he does not even need a tough nickname

Key and Peele had a movie?? I gotta see that I love that show

Dr. Quarex
Apr 18, 2003

I'M A BIG DORK WHO POSTS TOO MUCH ABOUT CONVENTIONS LOOK AT THIS

TOVA TOVA TOVA

Kvlt! posted:

Key and Peele had a movie?? I gotta see that I love that show
Yes. It is called Keanu. It is... Good? Not as great as I expected, but clearly because Peele was sick of not getting to spread his horror wings.

Kvlt!
May 19, 2012



Dr. Quarex posted:

Yes. It is called Keanu. It is... Good? Not as great as I expected, but clearly because Peele was sick of not getting to spread his horror wings.

I just watched the trailer and this movie just flew completely under my radar gonna kill an hour or two with it today!

Dacap
Jul 8, 2008

I've been involved in a number of cults, both as a leader and a follower.

You have more fun as a follower. But you make more money as a leader.



Not a MMA/Wrestling entrance but this one is great

https://youtube.com/shorts/u3VI-pBVPKM?feature=share

Context, Brian Robinson is returning after recovering from being shot to 50 Cent's "Many Men"

Dacap fucked around with this message at 18:04 on Oct 21, 2022

UnleashedDad
Jan 14, 2022

hi im tony. did you know that a koala's appendix is about two meters long.

Pope Corky the IX posted:

Why do people bother complaining about music that doesn't quite fit being used in wrestling? The first loving Wrestlemania opened with "Easy Lover" by Phil Collins.

Easy Lover loving pops off though.

The weirdest was when WM used Big Time by Peter Gabriel in like 2010 or something, just a really odd choice there

Elephant Ambush
Nov 13, 2012

...We sholde spenden more time together. What sayest thou?
Nap Ghost

UnleashedDad posted:

Easy Lover loving pops off though.

The weirdest was when WM used Big Time by Peter Gabriel in like 2010 or something, just a really odd choice there

I don't think it was weird at all. It was literally about the title of the song and it's also a pretty good song

Open Marriage Night
Sep 18, 2009

"Do you want to talk to a spider, Peter?"


History Comes Inside! posted:

Are you specifically seeing complaints about music that doesn’t fit, or is it music people think sucks rear end as a theme?

For some reason I’m reminded of the stories about Dana White being salty that Mickey Gall wanted to walk out to Hey Mickey because it wasn’t ‘hard’ enough.

They finally relented, let him use the song, and he beat the poo poo out of CM Punk.

Cavauro
Jan 9, 2008

Is Ric Flair alive?

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!
According to his doctors and creditors, yes

UnleashedDad
Jan 14, 2022

hi im tony. did you know that a koala's appendix is about two meters long.

Elephant Ambush posted:

I don't think it was weird at all. It was literally about the title of the song and it's also a pretty good song

Not saying it is not a good song, it’s just not contemporary. It’s like when they had the Great Balls of Fire ppv

Bonk
Aug 4, 2002

Douche Baggins

Kvlt! posted:

I could see if somebody would get upset by like Taker coming out to WAP
How could "wet rear end pussy" possibly be worse than "badasses always kick an rear end in a top hat's rear end"?

History Comes Inside!
Nov 20, 2004




They did that undertaker entrance montage to a Katy Perry song that one time

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Bonk posted:

How could "wet rear end pussy" possibly be worse than "badasses always kick an rear end in a top hat's rear end"?

I thought it was "badasses always kicking rear end in a top hat's rear end."

RenegadeStyle1
Jun 7, 2005

Baby Come Back
I thought it was *bong* doo Doo Doo *bong* Doo Doo doo

Kosmo Gallion
Sep 13, 2013
Did Jerry Lawler have a legitimate dislike of ECW and Bret Hart, or is he just that good of a worker?

Who meant the most to wrestling from 2002 - 2012: Orton, Lesnar, Cena or Batista? And if your answer is Cena, whose your second place?

What happened to Morishima in ROH after he won the title?

Why did Paul Heyman have Taz beat Mike Awesome for the ECW title during that clusterfuck? Couldn't Awesome have dropped it to literally anybody else?

Are Kurt Angle and Kevin Nash Jewish?

Aside from the Okada matches, what is considered Kenny Omega's best match?

What did Public Enemy do to piss off WWF management so much in 1999. I've heard they got on the wrong side of the acolytes during their early run. But there must have been something else, because they've been totally buried any time I've seen them wrestle in WWF.

Did Pat Patterson know about what was going down in Montreal in 97?

Who are some underrated world champions?

Kosmo Gallion fucked around with this message at 01:00 on Oct 22, 2022

Kvlt!
May 19, 2012



Kosmo Gallion posted:



Who meant the most to wrestling from 2002 - 2012: Orton, Lesnar, Cena or Batista? And if your answer is Cena, whose your second place?



I was born in 1998 so this was the era I grew up watching. Cena was certainly the biggest/most important but Orton was always me and my friends favorite and the guy we loved the most.

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010

Kosmo Gallion posted:

Did Jerry Lawler have a legitimate dislike of ECW and Bret Hart, or is he just that good of a worker?

Who meant the most to wrestling from 2002 - 2012: Orton, Lesnar, Cena or Batista? And if your answer is Cena, whose your second place?

What happened to Morishima in ROH after he won the title?

Why did Paul Heyman have Taz beat Mike Awesome for the ECW title during that clusterfuck? Couldn't Awesome have dropped it to literally anybody else?

Are Kurt Angle and Kevin Nash Jewish?

Aside from the Okada matches, what is considered Kenny Omega's best match?

What did Public Enemy do to piss off WWF management so much in 1999. I've heard they got on the wrong side of the acolytes during their early run. But there must have been something else, because they've been totally buried any time I've seen them wrestle in WWF.

Did Pat Patterson know about what was going down in Montreal in 97?

Who are some underrated world champions?

I'll answer as many of these as I can:

Jerry and Bret are friendly outside of wrestling, I believe. I remember Jerry presenting some art to Bret as a gift. Jerry and Heyman have heat dating back to Memphis.

Cena, then Lesnar.

He went back to NOAH, did okay, had some weight and injury problems, retired, I think because of diabetes.

To create attention for ECW and do it in a way that benefited WWE...whose payroll Paul was on.

They supposedly no sold stuff and rubbed Bradshaw the wrong way.


Pat almost definitely knew. I believe Vince, Earl, Shawn, HHH and Pat knew.



Nick Bockwinkel, Raven, Barry Windham, Kevin Steen.

El Gallinero Gros fucked around with this message at 01:38 on Oct 22, 2022

Lurks With Wolves
Jan 14, 2013

At least I don't dance with them, right?

Kosmo Gallion posted:

What did Public Enemy do to piss off WWF management so much in 1999. I've heard they got on the wrong side of the acolytes during their early run. But there must have been something else, because they've been totally buried any time I've seen them wrestle in WWF.

From what I've heard, it's mostly a combination of them acting like they're really important when they're only good at garbage brawls and WWF backstage culture just not giving a drat about some random indie guys who think they're hot poo poo. It isn't actually very complicated.

CombineThresher
Apr 10, 2006

GIT R DONNE

Lurks With Wolves posted:

From what I've heard, it's mostly a combination of them acting like they're really important when they're only good at garbage brawls and WWF backstage culture just not giving a drat about some random indie guys who think they're hot poo poo. It isn't actually very complicated.

My understanding is that they bitched about doing jobs, which is also why they got let go from WCW after a brief run there.

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010

CombineThresher posted:

My understanding is that they bitched about doing jobs, which is also why they got let go from WCW after a brief run there.

It's worth noting that Bradshaw has a habit of singling out people from ECW, and went so overboard on Blue Meanie that Vince punished Bradshaw by having him job to Meanie, and didn't punish Stevie Richards when Stevie stiffed John during the finish with a chair.

Kvlt!
May 19, 2012



I've noticed in deathmatch wrestling that women either usually wrestle men or (especially in Japan in what I've watched) women on women deathmatches tend to just be regular wrestling with slightly more color. Is the reason for no real big female on female deathmatches just that it's too niche (I mean look at how long it took for WWE to just take regular women's wrestling seriously) or is there another reason?

Or maybe there's some badass female on female deathmatch wrestlers/matches/promotions and I'm just oblivious to them.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

Kvlt! posted:

I've noticed in deathmatch wrestling that women either usually wrestle men or (especially in Japan in what I've watched) women on women deathmatches tend to just be regular wrestling with slightly more color. Is the reason for no real big female on female deathmatches just that it's too niche (I mean look at how long it took for WWE to just take regular women's wrestling seriously) or is there another reason?

Or maybe there's some badass female on female deathmatch wrestlers/matches/promotions and I'm just oblivious to them.

Historically FMW had women's deathmatches. Megumi Kudo vs Combat Toyoda and Megumi Kudo vs. Shark Tsuchiya are two of the all time classics.

Right now in Japan there are really just three big name deathmatch wrestlers who do actual deathmatches, Rina Yamashita, Risa Sera, and Suzu Suzuki so that kinda limits the opportunities to do deathmatches without doing intergender. I'd recommend checking out Risa Sera vs Rina Yamashita from Ice Ribbon's Yokohama Buntai show in 2020

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7JmTzJ2tTY

Kvlt!
May 19, 2012



GEORGE W BUSHI posted:

Historically FMW had women's deathmatches. Megumi Kudo vs Combat Toyoda and Megumi Kudo vs. Shark Tsuchiya are two of the all time classics.

Right now in Japan there are really just three big name deathmatch wrestlers who do actual deathmatches, Rina Yamashita, Risa Sera, and Suzu Suzuki so that kinda limits the opportunities to do deathmatches without doing intergender. I'd recommend checking out Risa Sera vs Rina Yamashita from Ice Ribbon's Yokohama Buntai show in 2020

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7JmTzJ2tTY

Thank you! I'm definitely gonna check all these out!

Also, another question: does anyone know the height of the top rope in WWE rings? (measured from the top rope to the ring, not the top rope to the floor/mats)

Kvlt! fucked around with this message at 06:04 on Oct 22, 2022

Vandar
Sep 14, 2007

Isn't That Right, Chairman?



History Comes Inside! posted:

They did that undertaker entrance montage to a Katy Perry song that one time

They did WHAT?

TheKingslayer
Sep 3, 2008

I always thought it was kinda weird when WWE used, "Cool for the Summer" for one of their Summer Slam shows.

fez_machine
Nov 27, 2004

Kvlt! posted:

I've noticed in deathmatch wrestling that women either usually wrestle men or (especially in Japan in what I've watched) women on women deathmatches tend to just be regular wrestling with slightly more color. Is the reason for no real big female on female deathmatches just that it's too niche (I mean look at how long it took for WWE to just take regular women's wrestling seriously) or is there another reason?

Or maybe there's some badass female on female deathmatch wrestlers/matches/promotions and I'm just oblivious to them.

Butting in to add that Risa Sera and Suzu Suzuki are part of the what's probably the first women's deathmatch promotion Prominence

Their twitter: https://twitter.com/prominence2022

and most of their matches are up here (also a bit of Freedoms if you want to explore more modern Japanese deathmatch stuff): https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-f_5LnZkQa44fQFb0Q_bJQ

Here's Sera vs. Suzuki
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lM6vUrS3FH4

There's also the great borderline stuff in AJW (some of their hardcore matches could get absolutely brutal :nws: especially hair vs. hair and their cage matches)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCRGD-c0-xA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxOE56HfXIc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABIm0J9R6fc

Mayumi Ozaki has been doing it forever both in literally every promotion you can name, and her own promotion Oz Academy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0-JuFMupw0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJkk2OMm_mk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkpELucaB2I
If you want shindie, here's her in IWA Mid-south
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7279zyQk0CQ

Kvlt!
May 19, 2012



fez_machine posted:

Butting in to add that Risa Sera and Suzu Suzuki are part of the what's probably the first women's deathmatch promotion Prominence

Their twitter: https://twitter.com/prominence2022

and most of their matches are up here (also a bit of Freedoms if you want to explore more modern Japanese deathmatch stuff): https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-f_5LnZkQa44fQFb0Q_bJQ

Here's Sera vs. Suzuki
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lM6vUrS3FH4

There's also the great borderline stuff in AJW (some of their hardcore matches could get absolutely brutal :nws: especially hair vs. hair and their cage matches)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCRGD-c0-xA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxOE56HfXIc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABIm0J9R6fc

Mayumi Ozaki has been doing it forever both in literally every promotion you can name, and her own promotion Oz Academy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0-JuFMupw0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJkk2OMm_mk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkpELucaB2I
If you want shindie, here's her in IWA Mid-south
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7279zyQk0CQ

Thanks for this! Can't wait to dive in. That match GEORGE W BUSHI linked was incredible, old school deathmatch with actual real wrestling in it and a slow build to the color and tubes. I like a good 1000000 light tube barb wire gimmick match now and then but it's so refreshing to see a 30 minute deathmatch where it starts out as just wrestling then gradually builds and when the tubes and stuff hit they have a ton of impact.

Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





Kosmo Gallion posted:

Aside from the Okada matches, what is considered Kenny Omega's best match?

afaik, either of the first two Naito matches

Gavok
Oct 10, 2005

Brock! Oh, man, I'm sorry about your...

...tooth?


Vandar posted:

They did WHAT?

Back with WrestleMania 27 or 28, they did a prime time NBC special where they replayed highlights of the show. Like the whole show was one big video package. Originally, Undertaker came to the ring to Johnny Cash's "Ain't No Grave." For the NBC special, they changed it to Katie Perry's "ET."

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Hedgehog Pie
May 19, 2012

Total fuckin' silence.
Oh man, I forgot they gave him Ain't No Grave for that show, that was awesome. Like, one of the few good things about that Wrestlemania iirc.

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