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Party members really aren’t that relevant in UK politics and they have very little power to change things. The Tory members picking their leader is a relatively recent development as well. It used to be solely decided by the MPs.
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Brendan Rodgers posted:One of the fascinating things about historical events is that liberals who opposed them at the time pretend to have supported them after the fact. Everything from the Iraq war protests to the civil rights movement. I feel like “liberals” is doing a lot of heavy lifting for “people” in this comment. Where I live you had a lot of people who were mysteriously the only person in their town not to have informed on neighbours to take their stuff in the Cultural Revolution, and famously almost the entire Politburo was apparently on holiday when the Tiananmen decision was made (although with the current rewriting of history that Tiananmen was Good, Actually that may change again).
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Oct 23, 2022 09:44
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jiggerypokery posted:Well that exact strategy left Labour intact so Starmer won his vote, he just lied through his teeth doing so. And he was doing poo poo for 3 years till the Tories self destructed in his face?
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Oct 23, 2022 09:49
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Just remembered that my Borisite MP, Conor Burns, was suspended from the party for whatever he did at the conference. Does that mean he doesn't get a vote? If so, 
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Oct 23, 2022 09:54
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It's honestly insane. There has been no increase in budgets to cope with rising costs and there is a massive shortage of new teachers. What even happens when the academies go bust? Do they just shut the schools or will the government have to renationalise them like with the rail franchises?
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Oct 23, 2022 09:55
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I will cook and eat a geography teacher. This is both a response to Beefeater's comments on Cultural Revolution participation denial and a proposed solution to the schools budget. Also the academy board members. Definitely hunt and eat them.
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Oct 23, 2022 10:01
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a pipe smoking dog posted:
Among the many idea floated by Tories recently are: giving ‘freedom’ for parents to choose their teachers by allowing them to remotely join any lesson they like; and also massively unifying the implementation of the curriculum so that all teachers are teaching the same thing in the same way. So I can definitely imagine a horrible hybrid of this: gigantic classrooms (virtual or real) where kids are watching the same remote lessons all across the country. Problem solved! As with most things the Tories do, it’ll be partly ideological, and partly because party donors (and the politicians themselves) likely have a financial stake in the infrastructure that’ll be used for such a thing.
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Oct 23, 2022 10:07
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I do polls on the internet for occasional extra cash, and have had several recently to do with advertising teacher training and asking me if I had considered it myself.
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Oct 23, 2022 10:11
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I like that one of the big calls he got right was resigning.
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Oct 23, 2022 10:12
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Nadine is being stabby stabby this morning https://twitter.com/NadineDorries/status/1584096059621797888
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Oct 23, 2022 10:13
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Are general elections bad now Nads?
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fuctifino posted:Nadine is being stabby stabby this morning Cool of Nadine to admit that Boris is guilty as gently caress #goNads As for them investigating/suspending Sunak if he becomes leader? Not happening, unfortunately.
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Oct 23, 2022 10:23
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According to twitter, Laura Kuenssberg interviewed Penny Mordor this morning and gave her a very soft and easy interview, but interrupted Keith at every opportunity and laid into him hard. I'm even seeing Tories complain about it on twitter. lmao e: Just came across this lol nugget: https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1584095446037049345 https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1584095868688379905 fuctifino fucked around with this message at 10:31 on Oct 23, 2022 |
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Chinese Gordon posted:As for them investigating/suspending Sunak if he becomes leader? Not happening, unfortunately.
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Oct 23, 2022 10:29
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Perfectly matches up with the fracking mines opening, they will need the child labour.
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Socially very liberal, economically very conservative. Less porn laws, more corn laws.
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Oct 23, 2022 10:37
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Nads: Drunk at 9am, it must be the weekend. Boris: Look how much he's changed. Please take him back. His shirt's tucked in and everything. He won't hit you again, he promises.
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Oct 23, 2022 10:40
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I'm impressed how desperate the various tories are sounding. "If we're to stay in power it must be xyz person!!" "oh, uh and... Xyz person will be the best for the country and all you poor people, yes..." "xyz will make it so we don't get a general election, because uh... An election would... Uh... Slow down us helping people and... Be a distraction?" They're barely even trying to pretend anymore. Always been party over country, always will be and they have barely any talent to spin a damned thing. The mask coming off in those LBC interviews with the members is loving hilarious , I hope they do more of that and continue to eat each other publicly. I won't deny, the host praising Sunak as an incredible patriot and amazing saviour of the poor with eat out to help out did make my bile rise as well though, christ.
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Oct 23, 2022 10:40
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I mean judging by her facial expression in the whole thing the interviewer has heard that “well you’re not really one of us” poo poo enough times to have it make her very sympathetic to Rishi. Although it is a bit Laura K, I agree.
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Oct 23, 2022 10:51
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Our ex chancellor's main goal is to, er, fix the economy from the mistakes made by previous chancellors https://twitter.com/RishiSunak/status/1584114970723512321 I like his fresh thinking and fresh approach. We need fresh blood like him in politics
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Oct 23, 2022 10:52
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I’d expect more to start to rally around Mordaunt if Johnson ends up being a non-starter. The Kuenessberg interview would seem to suggest this too. The thing is, that racist LBC guy is basically correct(*), and is just saying something that most commentators are also aware of: the Tory membership don’t want the brown guy on account of being brown (and didn’t want him the first time either), and neither will most Tory voters. I’ve seen people theorising that the Tory base is willing to excuse a Tory’s non-whiteness if they turn out to be ‘one of the good ones’, and especially if they’re willing to excuse one’s racism, or claim racism doesn’t actually exist. But that doesn’t seem to have played out in reality so far (* correct in observing the racism of the Tories, not correct in being racist, I hasten to add!)
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Oct 23, 2022 10:53
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My wife's ex husband was from Jordan. He was astounded when he moved to America that skin tone was the defining trait for discrimination as it "told you nothing about the person at all" (I won't go into what he thought were acceptable forms of discrimination) Like, Rishi can gently caress off, really, but very much everyone saying its because he's brown can gently caress off first even harder right into a bin.
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Answers Me posted:I’d expect more to start to rally around Mordaunt if Johnson ends up being a non-starter. The Kuenessberg interview would seem to suggest this too. The Tory base is obviously racist as gently caress, but I do think that said racism generally plays second fiddle to the level of extreme right-wing psychosis displayed by a candidate. Polls consistently showed Badenoch was the members' favourite last time, for example. Sunak's real issue is that the members love Boris and think Rishi 'stabbed him in the back'. Also he raised taxes and spent tons of money on furlough.
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City Slicker posted:Party members really aren’t that relevant in UK politics and they have very little power to change things. Labour need members forking out subscriptions & doing the hands-on campaigning foot slog rather more than the tories who get a few £huge donors, rarely bother canvassing & pay people to do leafletting etc.. I can't recall ever seeing a tory stall out on the street wherever I've lived. Don't know how successful Starmer's been in getting big donors in. I know he's lost a lot of lefty members from pissing them off to purging, though our CLP membership secretary said any member who was paying reduced rate was actually a financial drain on the party (subs go to the centre, not to the CLP) and I'm guessing that included a fair few of the lefties. But they forget a lot of lefty members would donate on top of their subs as well & do stalls, leaflets, canvassing etc. I know a couple of local people who were all in favour of Starmer (one even saying to me 'please rejoin, for Kier') and donated a LOT of money, but who since CLP suspended a couple of people for signing a letter on behalf of the whole CLP in their capacity as CLP officers - which had been voted for quite unanimously by the whole CLP - falsely accusing them of anti-semitism - they've gone off him, one of them even taking a letter round to members of the CLP in support of the suspended members. (One was reinstated over a year later and the other quit the party in disgust which considering she was a really hard-working women's officer, branch chair etc was a big loss). Tankie chat: I think it is worth having a proper definition on here. I had never heard the term before delurking UKMT so took me quite a long time to figure out what it meant! Others lurking may also welcome a proper definition! Still references are made to things (particularly gaming) that I have no clue what they mean so I have to google.
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Mebh posted:Like, Rishi can gently caress off, really, but very much everyone saying its because he's brown can gently caress off first even harder right into a bin. Prefereably the sea, as there's a fair chance that the bins won't be collected after the next round of spending cuts
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fuctifino posted:Our ex chancellor's main goal is to, er, fix the economy from the mistakes made by previous chancellors 
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xtothez posted:Prefereably the sea, as there's a fair chance that the bins won't be collected after the next round of spending cuts Just a bunch of racists, floating off into the sea in unemptied wheelie bins. That's something I'd vote for.
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Answers Me posted:I’ve seen people theorising that the Tory base is willing to excuse a Tory’s non-whiteness if they turn out to be ‘one of the good ones’, and especially if they’re willing to excuse one’s racism, or claim racism doesn’t actually exist. But that doesn’t seem to have played out in reality so far Bold new strategy for Sunak to win over the membership, make a key policy pledge that everyone is allowed to call him any racial slurs they like, he's totally fine with it [wide smile falters for a split second], he totally thinks it's fine, also feel free to use him in arguments as a friend of yours who thinks you're totally not racist, please vote for him
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I keep finding myself thinking that Sunak or Mordaunt or whatever would be a better outcome just because I really hate Boris. They are all Tories, and they will all Tory.
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Freudian posted:I keep finding myself thinking that Sunak or Mordaunt or whatever would be a better outcome just because I really hate Boris. They are all Tories, and they will all Tory. Me too. He is so unspeakably loathsome I'd rather the ghost of Maggie T. I feel sick every time I see his face. As you say, tories gonna tory.
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Oct 23, 2022 11:21
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https://twitter.com/SpillerOfTea/status/1584115081960640514 ugh 
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:
Tankie is used by liberals in the same manner as Woke is used by conservatives. Its use as a perjorative outweighs any fixed definition.
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https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1584106117138853888 https://twitter.com/coldwarsteve/status/1584134460500344832 He's using a famous picture of Brezhnev in trunks, which I think is apt fuctifino fucked around with this message at 11:58 on Oct 23, 2022 |
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Tankie chat: Tankie - Leftist you don't like. Treadhead - Tank-fucker Tanker - SPAM that doesn't know it yet. Sounds about right?
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Tankie is a term used by revisionist counter-revolutionary bourgeois moralists. Revisionist counter-revolutionary bourgeois moralist is a term used by tankies.
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Z the IVth posted:Tanker - SPAM that doesn't know it yet. ...a pig?
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https://twitter.com/mimmymum/status/1584079595573497856?s=46&t=9xWOsExzibNo9tFrj5TphA Not surprising to this thread, but maybe usefully shareable.
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And these are the people constantly going on about "real women's rights struggles around the world" to try and appropriate their legitimacy. Meanwhile: https://twitter.com/AUselessSapphic/status/1584132475625709568
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