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Staluigi
Jun 22, 2021

Are we ready for masked people with open carry "guarding" specific poll drop off locations because I'm ready for it

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Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

Staluigi posted:

Are we ready for masked people with open carry "guarding" specific poll drop off locations because I'm ready for it

It's already happening in AZ, iirc.

Staluigi
Jun 22, 2021

Aw yeah just some perfectly normal second amendment rights at play, just some chilling out over here in full view of the drop off box looking like cartel members, super normally

forbidden dialectics
Jul 26, 2005





Staluigi posted:

Aw yeah just some perfectly normal second amendment rights at play, just some chilling out over here in full view of the drop off box looking like cartel members, super normally

This this why we need to limit the clip capacity of Assault Rifle-15s to 10 bullets.

Quorum
Sep 24, 2014

REMIND ME AGAIN HOW THE LITTLE HORSE-SHAPED ONES MOVE?
Yeah, I'm volunteering as a poll officer this year mostly because I want to be there to help people feel safe and welcome at the polls. That poo poo is terrifying.

redbrouw
Nov 14, 2018

ACAB

Quorum posted:

Yeah, I'm volunteering as a poll officer this year mostly because I want to be there to help people feel safe and welcome at the polls. That poo poo is terrifying.

Who's going to make YOU feel safe and welcome at the polls?

Quorum
Sep 24, 2014

REMIND ME AGAIN HOW THE LITTLE HORSE-SHAPED ONES MOVE?

redbrouw posted:

Who's going to make YOU feel safe and welcome at the polls?

The United States Postal Service. :911:

Staluigi
Jun 22, 2021

Quorum posted:

The United States Postal Service. :911:

Actually included among associations it is very advisable not to have on your rear end

Heck Yes! Loam!
Nov 15, 2004

a rich, friable soil containing a relatively equal mixture of sand and silt and a somewhat smaller proportion of clay.
Wrong thread

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

Staluigi posted:

Actually included among associations it is very advisable not to have on your rear end

do not, under any circumstances, gently caress with the post office

postal inspectors make FBI agents look like models of joy, humor, and leniency

Wayne Knight
May 11, 2006

Ballot drop boxes should just double as temporary mailboxes so there can be real repercussions for any fuckery.

James Garfield
May 5, 2012
Am I a manipulative abuser in real life, or do I just roleplay one on the Internet for fun? You decide!
it was very disappointing when the postal service boarded a yacht in open water to arrest Steve Bannon and then Trump pardoned him

forbidden dialectics
Jul 26, 2005





GreyjoyBastard posted:

do not, under any circumstances, gently caress with the post office

postal inspectors make FBI agents look like models of joy, humor, and leniency

Back in ~2006 or so, you used to be able to buy drugs off of the internet through various "review" forums that eventually became Silk Road/Silk Road 2.0.

You'd pay with E-Gold, a pre-cursor to Bitcoin, that you'd fund with a Western Union transfer. Truly, the intersection of technological waypoints.

Anyways, one time I had a package with some incense in it go missing - it wasn't seized, so I took a dumb risk and reported it as stolen.

Like, 2 days later, my neighbors knocked on my door apologizing and handed me like 6 months worth of junk mail and other poo poo they'd stolen from my mailbox, including the incense I had ordered.

LloydDobler
Oct 15, 2005

You shared it with a dick.

Someone should dress up like a clown and go stand next to them.

Cranappleberry
Jan 27, 2009

forbidden dialectics posted:

Back in ~2006 or so, you used to be able to buy drugs off of the internet through various "review" forums that eventually became Silk Road/Silk Road 2.0.

You'd pay with E-Gold, a pre-cursor to Bitcoin, that you'd fund with a Western Union transfer. Truly, the intersection of technological waypoints.

Anyways, one time I had a package with some incense in it go missing - it wasn't seized, so I took a dumb risk and reported it as stolen.

Like, 2 days later, my neighbors knocked on my door apologizing and handed me like 6 months worth of junk mail and other poo poo they'd stolen from my mailbox, including the incense I had ordered.

before the price hikes and delays, but even with junk mail and having to fund retirements 75 years in advance, postal service/post office was consistently rated among highest of any government department+service.

Angry_Ed
Mar 30, 2010




Grimey Drawer
And even now the USPS still is one of the most reliable and affordable mail services on a global level apparently.

It's frustrating how thoroughly it's been hosed over in order to satisfy the whole "government doesn't work" narrative.

Kanos
Sep 6, 2006

was there a time when speedwagon didn't get trolled

Mustang posted:

It kills me how I can ask literally any right leaning person what exactly voting for Republicans is going to do to improve their lives and they just stare at me blankly or mumble something about the government not wasting our hard earned tax dollars. I'm originally from the South and in those parts its just an accepted fact that Democrats are evil socialists out to destroy America. To them Republicans might suck too but at least they aren't Democrats. A huge swathe of the country just constantly marinating in Fox News and conservative talk radio.

I'm reminded of a sports team-themed lottery commercial that runs a lot on TV down here in South Carolina. In the commercial, a family moves into a new house and is greeted by their neighbors, they find out their neighbors are fans of the wrong sports team, and they pack up the truck and drive off.

It's 100% a team sport. The actual personal platforms of the candidates don't actually matter all that much to a distressingly large number of people, and the Democratic party is the "enemy" team to large segments of the populace. In many places a Democratic candidate could run on a platform of prayer in public schools, legalized machine guns, and tax breaks for truck owners and they'd still be viewed as the enemy to many voters because of the D by their name.

HD DAD
Jan 13, 2010

Generic white guy.

Toilet Rascal
Progressives should just put an R by their name and see what happens.

”This one weird trick to get elected…”

Staluigi
Jun 22, 2021

HD DAD posted:

Progressives should just put an R by their name and see what happens.

”This one weird trick to get elected…”


HD DAD posted:

Progressives should just put an R by their name and see what happens.

”This one weird trick to get elected…”

Just ship yourself as a Maga conspiratorialist first to breeze the primary

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.

HD DAD posted:

Progressives should just put an R by their name and see what happens.

”This one weird trick to get elected…”

Or just propose legislation in total opposition to their desired outcome. WE've already seen how Republicans can figure out a way to hate literally receiving money from the government when the "wrong" person is doing it but will gleefully cash a check signed by Trump and point to that as a good thing he did.

the_steve
Nov 9, 2005

We're always hiring!

Staluigi posted:

Just ship yourself as a Maga conspiratorialist first to breeze the primary

That runs into the same problem that Dems have when they think the sensible solution is to campaign towards the Right: You can't out-Republican a Republican.

They'll know the true believers from the cosplayers.

Kanos
Sep 6, 2006

was there a time when speedwagon didn't get trolled

the_steve posted:

That runs into the same problem that Dems have when they think the sensible solution is to campaign towards the Right: You can't out-Republican a Republican.

They'll know the true believers from the cosplayers.

I don't think this is necessarily true, given that nakedly opportunistic remora eels like Lindsay Graham and Ted Cruz and pathetic empty suits like Marco Rubio can get elected and re-elected.

The Republican voter base has consistently and regularly proven itself to be incredibly susceptible to liars, grifters, and con artists.

HisMajestyBOB
Oct 21, 2010


College Slice

HD DAD posted:

Progressives should just put an R by their name and see what happens.

”This one weird trick to get elected…”

Legally change your last name to include "(R)".

the_steve
Nov 9, 2005

We're always hiring!

Kanos posted:

I don't think this is necessarily true, given that nakedly opportunistic remora eels like Lindsay Graham and Ted Cruz and pathetic empty suits like Marco Rubio can get elected and re-elected.

The Republican voter base has consistently and regularly proven itself to be incredibly susceptible to liars, grifters, and con artists.

I feel like Cruz and Graham bamboozle Dems more than they really fool their fellow Republicans.

I mean, how many times do you see some Dem Op-Ed Twitter going "Ha! Got him! He should be feeling so owned now!" because they have the videoclip of Graham saying "I swear to white cishet baby Jesus that I will resign before I ever sign off on X." after he lol's and signs off on X at the first opportunity.

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

why graham is popular with republicans is not really that he is a true believer

it's that he's not, and he has been compelled to humiliate and abase himself repeatedly, which is a demonstration of their power

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.

Kanos posted:

I don't think this is necessarily true, given that nakedly opportunistic remora eels like Lindsay Graham and Ted Cruz and pathetic empty suits like Marco Rubio can get elected and re-elected.

The Republican voter base has consistently and regularly proven itself to be incredibly susceptible to liars, grifters, and con artists.

If I read him right, I think Steve meant that the GOP establishment knows the difference between the money players in their party from the ones hollering about voter fraud and poo poo. It's the whole thing where the frankenstein monster they created broke free of his chains but they still need him to vote in order to win elections.

The real mainstream, traditional, By the Book Old Money Republicans hate...HATE their voters who were hatched from the Rush Limbaugh egg no matter how useful or gullible they are.

the_steve
Nov 9, 2005

We're always hiring!

BiggerBoat posted:

If I read him right, I think Steve meant that the GOP establishment knows the difference between the money players in their party from the ones hollering about voter fraud and poo poo. It's the whole thing where the frankenstein monster they created broke free of his chains but they still need him to vote in order to win elections.

The real mainstream, traditional, By the Book Old Money Republicans hate...HATE their voters who were hatched from the Rush Limbaugh egg no matter how useful or gullible they are.

It's more of an IMO: You can't out-crazy someone who is actually that crazy.

Sure, I could yell Drain the Swamp and Stop the Steal, but no matter how good an actor I am, I'm not going to be able to be more convincing than someone who actually believes it. There's just a certain... conviction or sincerity that you can't translate over if you're not a true believer.

Cranappleberry
Jan 27, 2009

Angry_Ed posted:

And even now the USPS still is one of the most reliable and affordable mail services on a global level apparently.

It's frustrating how thoroughly it's been hosed over in order to satisfy the whole "government doesn't work" narrative.

it's also proof that at least some people are aware of how good they had it when it's worked so well for so long. So many businesses (including UPS and FedEx) and trade relied on it being a fairly cheap and effective service. People got 90 day supplies of life-saving medications regularly, including stuff that was rapidly perishable or required refrigerated/cold shipping. They'll even knowingly ship legal drugs whereas UPS and FedEx won't.

Star Man
Jun 1, 2008

There's a star maaaaaan
Over the rainbow
There are limits to sending drugs through the mail. Chiefly you have to be the approved prescriber. If you tell a clerk what's in the package and you're not the prescriber, they're going to tell you absolutely not, even if you just work there.

Meds are all actually sorted and shipped by private companies. I think DHL is who handles it all. They then dump it all at USPS offices for last-mile delivery and pay something low like fifty cents per pouch full of parcels. And this is how all your stuff sent through UPS, FedEx, DHL, Lasership, and Amazon that you paid for either the economy rate or got free shipping gets to you.

Amazon hires contractors and has them do all the trucking between their locations and drop offs for delivery, and contracts either USPS or delivery companies in Amazon branding for the last mile delivery. FedEx Ground is also just different logistics companies that contract with FedEx, so none of them are employees to FedEx itself.

The most fascinating thing to me about this country is how we have all these services that government could do itself or kinda sorta already does, but there's so much fuckin money in it that private industries exist to just take that money from taxpayers or a cut if it.

SirFozzie
Mar 28, 2004
Goombatta!
Honestly, as someone who struggles sometimes with mental health, this is completely outrageous.

ELEVEN weeks in the ER waiting for a psychiatric bed.. ELEVEN. No family (pandemic), no sun, no anything. That is just horrifying.

Right now, my first inclination is to grab every national level politician by the throat and say "What are you going to do to fix this."

(who am I kidding, all the red side and half the blue side will shrug and say "That's Life!")

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/10/20/er-mental-health-teens-psychiatric-beds/

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

evilweasel posted:

why graham is popular with republicans is not really that he is a true believer

it's that he's not, and he has been compelled to humiliate and abase himself repeatedly, which is a demonstration of their power

I don’t understand why a gay guy would work so hard to build the camps and kill all gay people, but republicans have to enjoy seeing him utterly debase himself that way. Has he ever delivered anything good for his voters?

Cranappleberry
Jan 27, 2009

SirFozzie posted:

Honestly, as someone who struggles sometimes with mental health, this is completely outrageous.

ELEVEN weeks in the ER waiting for a psychiatric bed.. ELEVEN. No family (pandemic), no sun, no anything. That is just horrifying.

Right now, my first inclination is to grab every national level politician by the throat and say "What are you going to do to fix this."

(who am I kidding, all the red side and half the blue side will shrug and say "That's Life!")

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/10/20/er-mental-health-teens-psychiatric-beds/

This is a growing problem and not just the lack of psychiatric beds for younger people in crisis, though that has worsened to the point where it's untenable.

There is extremely limited help for people with severe mental illness, including autism, and especially if they're violent (often people who do not have the capability to understand their actions nor the harm they cause).

Oracle
Oct 9, 2004

Cranappleberry posted:

This is a growing problem and not just the lack of psychiatric beds for younger people in crisis, though that has worsened to the point where it's untenable.

There is extremely limited help for people with severe mental illness, including autism, and especially if they're violent (often people who do not have the capability to understand their actions nor the harm they cause).

As with so much poo poo in this country you can thank Reagan for that.

the_steve
Nov 9, 2005

We're always hiring!

I AM GRANDO posted:

I don’t understand why a gay guy would work so hard to build the camps and kill all gay people, but republicans have to enjoy seeing him utterly debase himself that way. Has he ever delivered anything good for his voters?

He upsets the Libs. That's usually enough for most of them.

He goes back on a thing that he said, TweetingLiberal.Facebook puts out a hundred finger-wagging memes about it, and Republicans make a :smuggo: face because a Liberal was triggered.

tagesschau
Sep 1, 2006

D&D: HASBARA SQUAD
THE SPEECH SUPPRESSOR


Remember: it's "antisemitic" to protest genocide as long as the targets are brown.

Angry_Ed posted:

And even now the USPS still is one of the most reliable and affordable mail services on a global level apparently.

I have to think that anyone who complains very loudly about the USPS hasn't used any other postal service in any other country. Canada Post isn't actually that bad, I guess, but it's definitely not as fast, cheap, convenient, or reliable as the USPS.

freeasinbeer
Mar 26, 2015

by Fluffdaddy
Had a few interactions with postal inspectors and came away less then impressed? Maybe it was location plus COVID, but they gave no fucks that credit cards were intercepted out of the mail in my area and used to run up thousands of dollar’s in debt.

LloydDobler
Oct 15, 2005

You shared it with a dick.

I'm really enjoying woke Christopher Titus. I think he's lobbying to become our generation's George Carlin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtQpACzZn5I

Shooting Blanks
Jun 6, 2007

Real bullets mess up how cool this thing looks.

-Blade



freeasinbeer posted:

Had a few interactions with postal inspectors and came away less then impressed? Maybe it was location plus COVID, but they gave no fucks that credit cards were intercepted out of the mail in my area and used to run up thousands of dollar’s in debt.

My dad is a gemologist and has had gems stolen in transit. He'll find a note in his mailbox asking him to go to the Post Office, only to get a ripped open package. The inspectors have never cared, despite it pretty clearly happening in transit.

Star Man
Jun 1, 2008

There's a star maaaaaan
Over the rainbow

Shooting Blanks posted:

My dad is a gemologist and has had gems stolen in transit. He'll find a note in his mailbox asking him to go to the Post Office, only to get a ripped open package. The inspectors have never cared, despite it pretty clearly happening in transit.

US Postal Inspection Service is really no better than municipal or county law enforcement--they just have very specific things that they can arrest and charge someone for. You're never going to get your stolen mail back or get reimbursed for it unless you paid insurance on it.

USPIS probably spends most of its time dealing with internal issues than it does people outside of the USPS committing mail fraud.

At my old post office that I was a clerk for, a clerk who worked there a while before me ate poo poo for stealing gift cards out of envelopes and stamps. USPIS set up some cameras to watch the counter and watched her from their hidey hole in the back. Once they had their evidence, they had a clerk go to her locker to keep her from getting into it, the postal cops approached her and inspected her locker, found stolen stamps, and hauled her rear end away.

But they'll also come after you for poo poo you didn't do and some people are dumb enough not to get their union (there's four postal unions) between them and USPIS, which we were all entitled to have union representation no matter what, and lose their job and retirement over poo poo that might have been a complete mistake.

Star Man fucked around with this message at 06:00 on Oct 24, 2022

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Shooting Blanks
Jun 6, 2007

Real bullets mess up how cool this thing looks.

-Blade



Star Man posted:

US Postal Inspection Service is really no better than municipal or county law enforcement--they just have very specific things that they can arrest and charge someone for. You're never going to get your stolen mail back or get reimbursed for it unless you paid insurance on it.

USPIS probably spends most of its time dealing with internal issues than it does people outside of the USPS committing mail fraud.

At my old post office that I was a clerk for, a clerk who worked there a while before me ate poo poo for stealing gift cards out of envelopes and stamps. USPIS set up some cameras to watch the counter and watched her from their hidey hole in the back. Once they had their evidence, they had a clerk go to her locker to keep her from getting into it, the postal cops approached her and inspected her locker, found stolen stamps, and hauled her rear end away.

But they'll also come after you for poo poo you didn't do and some people are dumb enough not to get their union (there's four postal unions) between them and USPIS, which we were all entitled to have union representation no matter what, and lose their job and retirement over poo poo that might have been a complete mistake.

I believe insurance was paid and my dad was effectively told "tough poo poo."

Edit: He was told that because the items in question were gems and value couldn't be proven or something. I'm forgetting the details now, this was last year.

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