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qhat posted:So is a general election even remotely plausible? Are there enough Tory MPs who would happily sink the party this week because they above all else hate Rishi Sunak? Probably not, no. No MP wants to lose their seat, and if they sink the government, they probably lose their seat based on how things look right now. I think the only way realistically a GE happens is if Tory MPs come to the conclusion that if they collapse the government they personally might win their own constituency, but won't if they let the government carry on. I don't see that happening personally.
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Almost certainly not. Boris dropping out should calm things down in the parliamentary party unless and until Rishi fucks something up Truss style. Even his partisans are shifting to try to be on the winning side (cf Zahawi, Nadhim). The wider party is going to go berserk, couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of arseholes. In terms of stuff actually affecting people, if Rishi looks adequately competent and in control, it’s likely the markets will stop shorting UK assets quite so heavily. Inflation will still be out of control and interest rates rising because that’s the world in 2022 and Brexit extremely doesn’t help, but the extra “gently caress you” to the UK that caused the death spiral will hopefully trail off.
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Only Kindness posted:gently caress "aspirational", it's a psyop - an actual one, not a made up one. You want things for everybody and not just for you? Well, guess you're not "aspirational" then The "aspirational" part is wanting to be Prime Minister because you enjoy the prospect of trampling the visages of your enemies (i.e. the poor) into the ground. This is different from doing so as part of a senior leadership role in a corporation because you have the veneer of a mandate smeared across your
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About the only revenge-blow possible would be if 100 decided to back Mordaunt by tomorrow just to try to force it to a partywide ballot, reasoning that the base would decide en masse that since Truss worked so well, another at-least-she's-not-Sunak placeholder would be fine. Trouble is, as the Nadine Dorries tweet from the last page demonstrates, Borisites aren't happy with Mordaunt right now, either. How dare she not simply bend the knee and make a deal with the rightful PM, right? So, with Sunak carrying a substantial lead, an anyone-but-Sunak eleventh-hour insurgency would be stirring up chaos for chaos's sake and likely not change the end result.
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If Boris spiked Mordaunts chances to force Rishi in, the tories lose their entire base and the party will eat itself. We all said he was a vindictive little prick willing to detonate the party just to spite them, and I really, really hope that this is how that ends up looking. NotJustANumber99 posted:Having the promise of boris dangling over you makes people go weird.
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The binbag of damocles.
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If the Tories are unable to maintain a stable government but also completely unwilling to give up power until they absolutely have to it raises the question can the UK just like, not have a government for the next two years?
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Arguably it already did that during may's tenure, as they were never able to actually make concrete progress on the key issue of her term but neither were they willing to accept that until the very last minute, so the government just kept voting itself into confidence but down a lot of its significant legislation.
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Random Integer posted:If the Tories are unable to maintain a stable government but also completely unwilling to give up power until they absolutely have to it raises the question can the UK just like, not have a government for the next two years? They have to pass a budget but other than that the civil service can manage the decline all by themselves
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OwlFancier posted:Arguably it already did that during may's tenure, as they were never able to actually make concrete progress on the key issue of her term but neither were they willing to accept that until the very last minute, so the government just kept voting itself into confidence but down a lot of its significant legislation. Jesus Id completely forgotten about May. Really remarkable that the British public saw the Tories openly demonstrating they were nothing but a collection of spiteful, self-serving fucks and decided they were exactly the people to give a massive majority to.
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I mean she did do some other things, I think, but yeah for the purposes of the news cycle her government was basically two years of failure to make any progress on brexit, repeatedly losing votes on her flagship brexit efforts, culminating with the farce at the end of her term where they held multiple rapidfire votes to approve any possible plan whatsoever and they failed every single one of them, then she eventually quit and boris got in, sacked half the conservative party, and somehow managed to win a massive majority on the platform of "I can sort it I've got an "oven ready" deal just give me a majority" despite all evidence to the contrary. So yes, the british public are thicker than pig poo poo.
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OwlFancier posted:the british public are thicker than pig poo poo.
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Boris Johnson as a person was popular in 2019. He's an incompetent idiot, but he was about as popular as a political Basil Fawlty could be. This is in contrast with Theresa May, who was not only incompetent but also devoid of any charisma or likeability whatsoever. The average British person really doesn't think deeper than that, but I'm glad that the markets are finally punishing the UK for repeatedly voting for stupid things. Just goes to show just how low global confidence in the country has fallen.
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I would prefer it if the market would specifically punish the stupid people rather than me.
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OwlFancier posted:I would prefer it if the market would specifically punish the stupid people rather than me. Maybe people will stop voting for dumb poo poo when they realize it actually has consequences on them personally... 
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If I was a boomer and I watched and listen to the poo poo they do every day I'd probably vote Tory all the time too.
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“The markets” now finally coming out and stating the hard fact everyone has been pretending doesn’t exist. https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1584432670108680192
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OwlFancier posted:lol that the guardian has now moved to "you need to register to read but it's deffo not a paywall" after their previous efforts have failed to get anyone to pay for their lovely paper. They've had something like that for months. You've always been able to just click the sure I'll do it later button.
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qhat posted:Maybe people will stop voting for dumb poo poo when they realize it actually has consequences on them personally... Most Tory voters are retirees with fixed incomes from their pension annuities and paid-off houses they own outright. The people who actually participate in the economy have been voting labour and screaming brexit was a mistake since 2016, but the critical mass of comfortable retirees is dragging us down with them.
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smellmycheese posted:“The markets” now finally coming out and stating the hard fact everyone has been pretending doesn’t exist. You mean Brexit was... bad? 
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OwlFancier posted:lol that the guardian has now moved to "you need to register to read but it's deffo not a paywall" after their previous efforts have failed to get anyone to pay for their lovely paper. Yeah just click the 'do it later' button. Independent has something similar but Indie also have a separate paid 'premium' section (articles with blue headlines) which you can get round if you're Fast-fingered Fanny as my nan used to say and press the 'stop loading' button quickly.
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Please could someone repost the video of Nad's heart breaking as Boris pulls out
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notaspy posted:Please could someone repost the video of Nad's heart breaking as Boris pulls out Definite NMS warning here
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smellmycheese posted:“The markets” now finally coming out and stating the hard fact everyone has been pretending doesn’t exist. If only the young Margaret Roberts had reacted better to having to share her sweeties. You could draw a straight line.
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https://twitter.com/Hamza_a96/status/1584266737562062848 https://twitter.com/coldwarsteve/status/1584283941422628864 fuctifino fucked around with this message at 09:13 on Oct 24, 2022 |
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qhat posted:So is a general election even remotely plausible? Are there enough Tory MPs who would happily sink the party this week because they above all else hate Rishi Sunak? I doubt they would for themselves, but maybe if enough of their gammon constituents scream at them loudly enough? ... I doubt it, but it is a lovely thought.
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OwlFancier posted:I mean she did do some other things, I think, but yeah for the purposes of the news cycle her government was basically two years of failure to make any progress on brexit, repeatedly losing votes on her flagship brexit efforts, culminating with the farce at the end of her term where they held multiple rapidfire votes to approve any possible plan whatsoever and they failed every single one of them, then she eventually quit and boris got in, sacked half the conservative party, and somehow managed to win a massive majority on the platform of "I can sort it I've got an "oven ready" deal just give me a majority" despite all evidence to the contrary. It's not so much that the public is thick. It's just that they have been raised to love licking boots and following people with posh accents. What's happening with the Tory Government is that scene from the Inbetweeners. 
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So only 4 and a half hours to find out if Mordaunt got enough nominations. Seems unlikely at this point
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Only Kindness posted:If only the young Margaret Roberts had reacted better to having to share her sweeties. From where to where? Thatcher was pro-Europe as far as trade integration was concerned, she just didn't support a political union.
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https://twitter.com/ginamartinuk/status/1584378183369232384 I wish someone would arrest all these people going around screaming "I would rather be arrested than behave like a decent person for a second" fuctifino posted:https://twitter.com/DrKarenzaMoore/status/1584452217385676800
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I think we might get a general election. The Boris headbangers and the frothing Brexit loons might not be able to contain themselves enough to stomach 2 years of Sunak. Plus the membership are having the guy they specifically voted against a month ago foisted on them. Spicy times ahead.
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Jedit posted:From where to where? Thatcher was pro-Europe as far as trade integration was concerned, she just didn't support a political union. It's a bit more complicated IMO, the rebate was more about money transfers than a political union. Although I suppose they are connected.
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