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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:What doesn't add up is Brady could have accomplished all that without actually announcing his retirement and making a mess of his personal life.
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:Saying Arians staying is proof he was forced out, is some kind of galaxy brain take. Because you know drat well if he wasn't with the team on gameday you'd also say "look he was forced out!" It just reeks of wanting to spin it a certain way no matter what. What is the non-galaxy brain take for why Arians stepped down when he did then? And also of note—reports of tension between Arians and Brady definitely stretched back into the 2021 regular season; it wasn't a feud concocted out of the ether.
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Oct 24, 2022 21:16
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Black Lighter posted:The Bucs might have hesitant to do it before he actually retired, or it could have been something he thought up while hating family life. Yea, I assume the retirement was legitimate if somewhat forced and then after a few weeks he realized he doesn’t love his family and decided he wanted to play football again but his Miami deal had already blown up so he told the Bucs he’d come back if they made the changes he wanted .
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Oct 24, 2022 21:17
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So if you think his retirement was just a ploy to get to the Dolphins or force Arians aside, then you also have to believe his wife/family were utterly clueless about his intentions. I think the reality is whichever story you buy into, they both require some weird leaps of logic. Impossibly Perfect Sphere fucked around with this message at 21:21 on Oct 24, 2022 |
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Oct 24, 2022 21:19
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I always assumed Brady retiring, Unretiring and forcing Arians out was just how the cards happen to fall rather like some preplanned stage show it can’t really be anything else
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Oct 24, 2022 21:20
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shirts and skins posted:Frank Reich entering the spicy zone, Benne? Reich won't be fired mid-season. But he's done after this year if he doesn't have a huge turnaround
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Oct 24, 2022 21:23
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Bradys retirement being fake was a part of the tampering case against Miami
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Oct 24, 2022 21:23
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:So if you think his retirement was just a ploy to get to the Dolphins or force Arians aside, then you also have to believe his wife/family were utterly clueless about his intentions. no one said the retirement was fake. he legit retired and then once he decided to come back he made some demands.
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Oct 24, 2022 21:25
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I swear Schefter leaking Brady's retirement before he had a chance to completely monetize and grift off it himself, caused all of these chain reaction of events.
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Oct 24, 2022 21:29
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:I think the reality is whichever story you buy into, they both require some weird leaps of logic. I think Tom Brady throwing a fit to get special treatment is the most logical explanation of anything that happens involving Tom Brady.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:I think Tom Brady throwing a fit to get special treatment is the most logical explanation of anything that happens involving Tom Brady.
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Oct 24, 2022 21:32
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pasaluki posted:I swear Schefter leaking Brady's retirement before he had a chance to completely monetize and grift off it himself, caused all of these chain reaction of events. It's as believable as everything else (which is incredibly/100%, always has been); The problem with this is I simply refuse to credit Schefter with even accidentally being responsible for a positive thing, ever Chris James 2 fucked around with this message at 21:36 on Oct 24, 2022 |
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Oct 24, 2022 21:34
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fsif posted:Yeah I'm a bit surprised I have to spell it out but there's a pretty tidy explanation. Brady told the Glazers/Bucs FO whomever he would play another year in Tampa so long as Arians wasn't the head coach. FO decision maker told Bruce they were choosing Brady over him and asked what it would take to mollify Arians and make sure the transition wasn't too messy. Arians chooses a fake job with the organization and (presumably) lots of money. The Bucs now have the thinnest of fig leaves to hide the ouster, but it's just enough that sports writers can't really run pieces about the obvious. This pure speculation on your part. No one with actual sources has said anything of this. The story from the Bucs sources have said Bruce was the one that cleared it with Brady to retire so you seem to have it backwards.
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Oct 24, 2022 21:39
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Imagine if Brady did go to Miami and played as badly as he's playing in Tampa. At least the Bucs got a couple good seasons and a Super Bowl win before Brady fell apart. Miami dodged a bullet thanks to their general incompetence, the owner's love of obscufation, and Adarn.
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wandler20 posted:This pure speculation on your part. No one with actual sources has said anything of this. The team providing a team friendly narrative to their sources isn’t surprising. Absent Bruce and Tom open mouth kissing on camera for at least five minutes I’m going to continue to believe the much funnier and frankly more probably story.
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Mega64 posted:Imagine if Brady did go to Miami and played as badly as he's playing in Tampa. Yea, that’s the hilarious part, they lost a first and third round pick for nothing and they still got a better deal than if they’d gotten Brady.
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Mega64 posted:Imagine if Brady did go to Miami and played as badly as he's playing in Tampa. If we're imagining things...on the other side Tampa might have got Tua which I assume would have been part of any backroom deal. And kept him upright or at least not in scandalous injury territory and they might be doing ok.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:Yea, I assume the retirement was legitimate if somewhat forced and then after a few weeks he realized he doesn’t love his family and decided he wanted to play football again but his Miami deal had already blown up so he told the Bucs he’d come back if they made the changes he wanted . So many things to unpack here. You think he legit retired. But he hates his family/loves football so much and decides to unretire... but... only if he can force Bruce Arians out? And Arians decides to go along with all this because... money? I just don't see Arians agreeing to be any part of that based on the kind of guy he is.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:The team providing a team friendly narrative to their sources isn’t surprising. That's fine and people will obviously gravitate to whatever narrative they want to spin, especially when there's a chance to make Brady look bad. If you want to be on Florio's side that's cool, I'll continue to believe Arians.
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Oct 24, 2022 21:48
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I don’t think the story makes Brady look especially bad, I assume a similar thing played out in Green Bay. Not as extreme mind you but similar
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Still trying to figure out why Arians was willing to coach a poo poo roster for another year but then suddenly decided to retire once his team was good again.
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fsif posted:Still trying to figure out why Arians was willing to coach a poo poo roster for another year but then suddenly decided to retire once his team was good again. yeah they look real great lol
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Oct 24, 2022 21:56
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Does ESPN still do 30 for 30 type stuff? Because that’s the only place your gonna get an honest telling of what happened in like a decade
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:yeah they look real great lol I mean you can’t clown them for stuff we now know in hindsight
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fsif posted:Still trying to figure out why Arians was willing to coach a poo poo roster for another year but then suddenly decided to retire once his team was good again. Uh, the Bucs had one of the best rosters on paper and were pretty much penciled in as a top 3 NFC team in the preseason. Unless you mean without Brady, but the roster isn't really the issue. quote:Bruce Arians admitted that Tampa Bay Buccaneers quarterback Tom Brady played a role in him deciding to retire from coaching, but not in the way that some will be quick to infer.
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That doesn’t really make a lot of sense, Toms a bandaid, we know that. So how can a player coming back for probably another year leave them in a good place? That’s just a short delay to the exact same situation but the team is a bit older
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wandler20 posted:This pure speculation on your part. No one with actual sources has said anything of this. come on dude, you can't just take the internal propaganda messaging as fact
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wandler20 posted:Uh, the Bucs had one of the best rosters on paper and were pretty much penciled in as a top 3 NFC team in the preseason. Unless you mean without Brady, but the roster isn't really the issue. I mean Arians was willing to coach a team QBed by Blaine Gabbert and likely without Jensen and Carlton Davis, but then Brady unretired and free agents swarmed there and suddenly Arians retired. The Bucs went from +2800 to win the Super Bowl to +800 overnight and Arians bounced. The succession line is a dumb as hell and a completely nonsensical explanation! I posit that Arians might not be telling the truth!
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Part of the reason the Bucs are bad is because of Bowles. You can debate how good/bad they would have been had Arians stayed in charge with a different QB, but those results would swing wildly based on who they could have been able to get. It's pretty obvious he was forced out as part of Brady agreeing to come back and given a cushy gig for being a team player
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:So many things to unpack here. You think he legit retired. But he hates his family/loves football so much and decides to unretire... but... only if he can force Bruce Arians out? And Arians decides to go along with all this because... money? I just don't see Arians agreeing to be any part of that based on the kind of guy he is. Bruce Arians would definitely never say something untrue for career purposes.  I don’t know if Tom retired because he felt pressured by his family and then walked it back when he realized he didn’t really want to, or because he was planning to go to the Dolphins all along and the retirement was just a ploy: but I do know that he wasn’t going to play for the Bucs and then suddenly he was and BA was retiring after a season of articles about them butting heads. Do I think Bruce would go along with it? Absolutely, given that it got Bowles a job and he gets to stick around. But in no way do I think it was his decision to just up and retire.
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Nodoze posted:It's pretty obvious he was forced out as part of Brady agreeing to come back and given a cushy gig for being a team player  completely
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Well if the speculation is true, Brady sure hosed that up!
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Well yes, that’s why it’s funny. If it worked out it wouldn’t be very funny
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Give Arians to Herbert
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Ornery and Hornery posted:Give Arians to Herbert He always looked ready to have a(nother) heart attack at any moment in Tampa. Can you even imagine what the stress of coaching the Chargers would do to him
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I mean from Bruce Arians perspective it could have not just been worth the hassle dealing with another year of this super demanding QB and his loving hexer wife. Bruce Arians may have said I'm too old for this poo poo give me a job where I can sit on my rear end, rather than it being some machination of Brady. The result deliciously is the same. It was a huge blunder professionally and personally for Brady. He had complete control over his legacy but is a decrepit lich who just can't stop even though evil won.
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pasaluki posted:I mean from Bruce Arians perspective it could have not just been worth the hassle dealing with another year of this super demanding QB and his loving hexer wife. Yeah, I don't doubt that Brady returning made retiring gain more appeal. Once that got the gears turning, he thought about what else would be impacted by stepping down one year ahead of schedule, recognized (or his SO or others pointed out) that he'd have more sway on naming a successor etc. In turn it would provide him with a different set of benefits (legacy, doing a solid for a friend, good press, maybe it garnered him more cache upstairs, whatever) and would make a servicable explanation to feed sports reporters. I mean hell, he already stopped coaching for health concerns once before. Perhaps he looked at his SB ring, thought about the risk/reward of another long season w/ Tom and the gang, and determined he would be quite content walking away from the day-to-day grind while it was entirely his decision and not something that was forced upon him.
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WEEK 8 UPDATE A lot has changed since my last update. We got our first firing which was largely expected, and several seats have quickly warmed up as the season nears its midway point. From here on out I’ll try to do a new update every two weeks, because hot seat season is just getting started. We’re getting to the good stuff. COOL Bill Belichick, New England Patriots Sean McDermott, Buffalo Bills Robert Saleh, New York Jets John Harbaugh, Baltimore Ravens Mike Tomlin, Pittsburgh Steelers Zac Taylor, Cincinnati Bengals Mike Vrabel, Tennessee Titans Andy Reid, Kansas City Chiefs Nick Sirianni, Philadelphia Eagles Mike McCarthy, Dallas Cowboys Matt LaFleur, Green Bay Packers Dan Campbell, Detroit Lions Arthur Smith, Atlanta Falcons Pete Carroll, Seattle Seahawks Sean McVay, Los Angeles Rams Kyle Shanahan, San Francisco 49ers I’m gonna be nice to Lions posters and not put Campbell in Mild despite the team’s dismal form as of late. Getting outscored 53-6 in your last two games is hard to spin, but I’ll grant them missing their best offensive playmakers and being stuck with Jared Goff, who is famous for falling apart when things aren’t perfect around him. If the team is as patient as we think they are, Campbell will get more time to prove that he’s not the guy. In other news, Saleh is delivering the proof of concept he needed after a shaky first season, and we can’t kick around Fat Mike in this space right now, which is a slight disappointment. FIRST-YEAR COACHES Mike McDaniel, Miami Dolphins Doug Pederson, Jacksonville Jaguars Lovie Smith, Houston Texans Josh McDaniels, Las Vegas Raiders Brian Daboll, New York Giants Kevin O’Connoll, Minnesota Vikings Matt Eberflus, Chicago Bears Todd Bowles, Tampa Bay Buccaneers Dennis Allen, New Orleans Saints You might notice a name missing from this list. No spoilers! The Bucs have a Todd Bowles problem, which might be a bigger problem than Tom Brady’s midlife crisis or the offensive line injuries. This team was billed as a battle-tested roster full of veterans looking for another ring, and instead they just look kinda old and slow. I don’t think they blow up Bruce Arians’ handpicked staff after one year, but we’re clearly still underrating Arians’ greatness when we assumed this team would be plug-and-play without him. The Saints also have a Dennis Allen problem, and also like Bowles he’s struggling to fill the shoes of a legend who departed under rather suspicious circumstances. MILD Nathaniel Hackett, Denver Broncos – If you’ve read my threads for long enough, you know I’m very cautious with heating up first-year coaches. But Hackett … my God, show a pulse. This was supposed to be a ready-made contender with Russell Wilson in the building, and not only is Wilson having the worst season of his career, Hackett doesn’t seem to have any answers whatsoever. Not since Freddie Kitchens have I seen a rookie coach this obviously overmatched week in and week out, and the local media has all knives out for him. It’s a terrible audition for the new ownership group that just came in, and I bet they’re not happy with the bad PR he’s giving them right off the bat. Brandon Staley, Los Angeles Chargers – Good process is great. At some point you need good results. Staley became a Twitter darling for his aggressive 4th-down decisions and thoughtful press conferences, but when do the Chargers take that leap? Their 4-3 record hides a lot of problems beyond just injury, most worrying is an offense that’s gone into a shell and not taking advantage of Justin Herbert’s electric arm. They have literally the most valuable asset in all of professional sports (an elite quarterback on his rookie contract) and are in real danger of missing the playoffs three straight years with Herbert. You simply can’t let these chances slip away, and if you’re a Chargers fan, it stings even more watching the divisional-rival Chiefs cash in with Patrick Mahomes before he got his mega-payday. If Staley wants to restore his luster, he has to get his Ferrari out of the garage and trust it to go the distance. Ron Rivera, Washington Commanders – Stop me if you heard this before: the coaching staff is unhappy with Carson Wentz. A conveniently timed injury lets Wentz go away for a little while so they can scrap together wins or backdoor covers with their backup quarterback and pretend that things are going hunky-dory. We’ve seen this movie before. Wentz the coach killer will come back at the end just like Michael Myers and ruin things all over again. Kliff Kingsbury, Arizona Cardinals – It’s not hard to see a path upwards for the Cardinals – DeAndre Hopkins is back and the offense is instantly more watchable with him on the field. And with the NFC West in an unexpected down year, they’re not out of the race by any means. But I need more proof than beating a bad Saints team on Thursday before I’m ready to cool down Kliffy. They still have a lot of issues to work out. MODERATE Kevin Stefanski, Cleveland Browns – Stefanski and the Browns had exactly one job this season – keep the ship afloat until Deshaun Watson comes back. Instead they’re sinking fast and hard, to the point that it might not even matter if Watson returns to elite form (not a given after sitting out almost two calendar years). This team already had ugly vibes, and things are not getting better. Stefanski has quickly blown through the goodwill he earned from ending their playoff drought just two years ago. SPICY HOT Frank Reich, Indianapolis Colts – Jim Irsay has seen enough. That’s the biggest takeaway from this week’s move to bench Matt Ryan, which they went out of their way to say was for the rest of the season and not related to his shoulder injury. Ryan has been awful, to be sure, but for a respected veteran of his stature, it’s still pretty stunning to pull the plug after just seven weeks. In many ways, this is a fitting irony for the Reich/Chris Ballard regime, who spent years trying to prop up the roster with creaky aging QBs, and now have to rely on a totally unproven young QB to save their jobs. Maybe Sam Ehlinger shocks the world and becomes that guy, but I wouldn’t bet on it. For an organization that still has strong ex-boyfriend vibes from Andrew Luck’s retirement (it’s been three years, Jim, get your poo poo together already), maybe this is the rock bottom they need to finally start over fresh.  Matt Rhule, Carolina Panthers (interim coach: Steve Wilks) – That was the most predictable midseason firing since, what, Dan Quinn with the Falcons? That was another example of a team refusing to rip off the Band-Aid when they had the chance, firing him a month into the season anyway, and wasting a full year of everyone’s time. As for the Panthers’ future, they dealt away Christian McCaffrey and Brian Burns has been the source of persistent trade rumors. But I honestly don’t think they need to do a total teardown. Getting CMC’s contract off the books is an obvious win, but trading Burns or D.J. Moore just to do it seems like defeatism. These are real pieces you can build around and would be attractive to a new coaching staff – it also sends a message to the locker room that you believe in these guys and want them to be around for the next good Panthers team. If they find a quarterback and a coach who knows what he’s doing, they’re probably not as far away as people think.
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Man, remember when Daboll came in second to Staley in 2021? Hindsight is 20/20, but it has to be a hard pill to swallow with the Giants flourishing under his leadership and the Chargers wasting another year of Herbert with the usual Chargers nonsense
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Everyone has an easy schedule this year except whatever division got stuck playing the NFCEast Hi, welcome to the NFC North. We also get to play the entire AFC East this year! All four of us. If you needed another reason Dan Campbell shouldn't be on the hot seat yet, that absolutely should be one -- the NFCN's strength of schedule ballooned out of nowhere when the worse teams in both those divisions started hitting their stride. I have no idea how the Vikings are 5-1 with our own rookie HC.
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