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The Chad Jihad
Feb 24, 2007


Hope game good

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A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:

ilitarist posted:

Maybe eventually they add some sort of espionage system which is probably on a checklist of things you should represent about the era. This might give some additional indirect control over the army, maybe it can cover developing plans for the attack etc. I really like the idea of hands-off warfare. Maybe I won't after I play the actual game but I don't want devs to compromise on it.
That would probably be easier to integrate into this warfare engine than in the old one. Like, there'd be less obvious distinction between warfare related espionage and diplomatic espionage, allowing more of a gradient of different poo poo to pull off - like sending revolutionary leaders to undermine your enemies, whether their armies or on the homefront.

RabidWeasel
Aug 4, 2007

Cultures thrive on their myths and legends...and snuggles!

DaysBefore posted:

But Paradox espionage systems are, without exception, useless at best and game breakingly awful at worst. They should just stop making them.

:hai: Espionage is like Stellaris ship designer, one of those features everyone says they wants but is actually inevitably hot rear end

Pylons
Mar 16, 2009

The US should have hilariously bad espionage like they did in real life during this time period.

ilitarist
Apr 26, 2016

illiterate and militarist

RabidWeasel posted:

:hai: Espionage is like Stellaris ship designer, one of those features everyone says they wants but is actually inevitably hot rear end

Real Espionage and Real ship designer have never been tried.

TwoQuestions
Aug 26, 2011
Good espionage at the very least requires the game to lie to the player, which we've discussed (at length) why that's almost always a bad idea.

I've not seen a game do it well other than games specifically about espionage. Stellaris I think was the best way to do it by saying "we don't know" about the other Empires until you got better intel.

DaysBefore
Jan 24, 2019

Espionage designer, choose the colour of trenchcoat your spy wears, the quality of their shoes (cheaper wingtips are more easily detected!), and the amount of cigarettes they smoke while following their mark down a hazy alleyway

ItohRespectArmy
Sep 11, 2019

Cutest In The World, Six Time DDT Ironheavymetalweight champion, Two Time International Princess champion, winner of two tournaments, a Princess Tag Team champion, And a pretty good singer too!
"When I was an idol, I felt nothing every day but now that I'm a pro wrestler I'm in pain constantly!"

The Chad Jihad posted:

Hope game good

its good, OP

Pump it up! Do it!
Oct 3, 2012

Pylons posted:

The US should have hilariously bad espionage like they did in real life during this time period.

Same with Germany- every time they try something sneaky they should have a localized Zimmerman telegram event.

Jazerus
May 24, 2011


i'm gonna play v3 until the factories do care about my feelings

Janissary Hop
Sep 2, 2012

Pump it up! Do it! posted:

I don't understand the obsession with the war system for the kind of game that Victoria is and having your tiny men move around on the map, the war system was extremely tedious in Vicky 2.

The fun I got from these games is taking some random small country and painting the world my color and that's harder to do if you only have indirect control over what happens in wars. So I'm really leery about their changes if they're making it effectively impossible to fight the british as e.g. the sikhs because you can't win by luring stacks into mountains anymore.

Foul Fowl
Sep 12, 2008

Uuuuh! Seek ye me?
didn't think i'd be this hype but here we are

Star
Jul 15, 2005

Guerilla war struggle is a new entertainment.
Fallen Rib
One hour-ish to go. Question is if I have the patience to do the tutorials to get the basics or if it’s just better to dive right in.

RabidWeasel
Aug 4, 2007

Cultures thrive on their myths and legends...and snuggles!

Janissary Hop posted:

The fun I got from these games is taking some random small country and painting the world my color and that's harder to do if you only have indirect control over what happens in wars. So I'm really leery about their changes if they're making it effectively impossible to fight the british as e.g. the sikhs because you can't win by luring stacks into mountains anymore.

You can set your armies to defensive and have generals with defensive traits which should make them try to force battle in favourable terrain I think.

But generally speaking the idea is that maybe you shouldn't be able to win that war.

Vichan
Oct 1, 2014

I'LL PUNISH YOU ACCORDING TO YOUR CRIME
Victoria 3 then!

Tomn
Aug 23, 2007

And the angel said unto him
"Stop hitting yourself. Stop hitting yourself."
But lo he could not. For the angel was hitting him with his own hands

Star posted:

One hour-ish to go. Question is if I have the patience to do the tutorials to get the basics or if it’s just better to dive right in.

My understanding is that the tutorials basically ARE just diving right in, just with explanatory journals and the like that you’re free to ignore or take at your own pace.

Capfalcon
Apr 6, 2012

No Boots on the Ground,
Puny Mortals!

hit the button!

fuf
Sep 12, 2004

haha
oh I thought it was coming out now lol

Steam said "less than an hour"

I guess it's another hour?

They're still just chilling on the release stream:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tPpU0s4xcI

Dandywalken
Feb 11, 2014

I..... shall be the Ottomans

Dirk Pitt
Sep 14, 2007

haha yes, this feels good

Toilet Rascal

Pump it up! Do it! posted:

I don't understand the obsession with the war system for the kind of game that Victoria is and having your tiny men move around on the map, the war system was extremely tedious in Vicky 2.

Same, OP. I just ran out of steam in my EU IV game last night trying to pick apart some opms with my mens on the map.

I am unreasonably excited for this game and cannot wait to influence my nation to greatness.

Cantorsdust
Aug 10, 2008

Infinitely many points, but zero length.
Vicky 3 top seller on Steam right now, beating out Modern Warfare for that modern not warfare action.

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

Is Rome formable?

Star
Jul 15, 2005

Guerilla war struggle is a new entertainment.
Fallen Rib

Tomn posted:

My understanding is that the tutorials basically ARE just diving right in, just with explanatory journals and the like that you’re free to ignore or take at your own pace.

Oh, alright. That sounds like a good compromise. Have to think about which country to play then.

ilitarist
Apr 26, 2016

illiterate and militarist

Gaius Marius posted:

Is Rome formable?

Yes, if you turn on the game option "allow forming what shouldn't be allowed to form".

TwoQuestions
Aug 26, 2011

Dandywalken posted:

I..... shall be the Ottomans

I think that's gonna be my second run, right after I smash the Southern Aristocracy as USA, and make the cradle-to-grave socialist state of my dreams.

Also, I think Steam had the release as an hour earlier than it actually was.

Cantorsdust
Aug 10, 2008

Infinitely many points, but zero length.

Gaius Marius posted:

Is Rome formable?

Quality username-post combo.

Popoto
Oct 21, 2012

miaow

Cantorsdust posted:

Vicky 3 top seller on Steam right now, beating out Modern Warfare for that modern not warfare action.

holy poo poo congrats

Two Beans
Nov 27, 2003

dabbin' on em
Pillbug

Janissary Hop posted:

The fun I got from these games is taking some random small country and painting the world my color and that's harder to do if you only have indirect control over what happens in wars. So I'm really leery about their changes if they're making it effectively impossible to fight the british as e.g. the sikhs because you can't win by luring stacks into mountains anymore.

Spiff put out a video where he took over all of capitalism and humiliated the Russian Empire in a war without fighting in said war as a released Jan Mayen. I think you will do just fine.

Deltasquid
Apr 10, 2013

awww...
you guys made me ink!


THUNDERDOME

Gaius Marius posted:

Is Rome formable?

Rome wasn’t formed on Day 1, sorry

Jedi Knight Luigi
Jul 13, 2009
espionage: Civ V did it well in Gods & Kings.

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.
What do you mean I can't pre-install to play during my lunch break!?

Dirk the Average
Feb 7, 2012

"This may have been a mistake."

Two Beans posted:

Spiff put out a video where he took over all of capitalism and humiliated the Russian Empire in a war without fighting in said war as a released Jan Mayen. I think you will do just fine.

To be fair, I think a lot of that boiled down to the overpopulation debuffs being too small. In theory an overcrowded area suffers -100% pop growth (after a certain point), but Spiff had so many positive bonuses that he overwhelmed the -100% and crowded hundreds of thousands of people onto an island with a modern-day population of 35.

Some of that stuff will probably shake out better in the future as balancing passes start to remove edge cases like that.

Also the funny thing about the war is that Russia shot itself in the foot badly by mobilizing. They just didn't have the economy to actually do what they wanted to do, and Spiff set himself up to exploit the Russian raw resource production by building factories in his highly educated island nation and then turn those goods back around to Russia for a massive profit.

Kaiju15
Jul 25, 2013

Pylons posted:

The US should have hilariously bad espionage like they did in real life during this time period.

Is there a time period where that isn't true?

SnoochtotheNooch
Sep 22, 2012

This is what you get. For falling in Love
Steam told me an hour ago the game would come out an hour from then. I cannot press the button. Why can I not press the button?


I would like to press the button. :smith:

sdasdas
Dec 29, 2012
drat I'll have to wait until 7PM before I can play due to work, can't wait to crash and burn as Belgium.

Marshal Prolapse
Jun 23, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Did they push the release button yet?

Descar
Apr 19, 2010

SnoochtotheNooch posted:

Steam told me an hour ago the game would come out an hour from then. I cannot press the button. Why can I not press the button?


I would like to press the button. :smith:

1 steam hour = 2 real life hours.. easy math

dead gay comedy forums
Oct 21, 2011


so victoria 3 is a game that it is real and exists and going to be launched like soon

holy poo poo

Demon Of The Fall
May 1, 2004

Nap Ghost
I have about 4 hours of completely free time the next 2 evenings after work, no kids or wife, yessssssssssssssss

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bees everywhere
Nov 19, 2002

Reddit says Steam was wrong and the actual release time is 1800 CEST so that's about 25 minutes from this post

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