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zoux posted:because antisemistism is the urconspiracy and that's where this always ends You did have plenty of Jew-hatred before then, but it mostly took the forms of accusations of host desecration and well poisonings, with the figure of 'the Jew' slandered more as a feral irrational Christ hater than some kind of endlessly ambitious secret society mastermind. Before it was Jews (either real Jews like Leon Trotsky in the case of the 'Judeo-Bolshevism' conspiracy or entirely made up ones like in the Protocols, but they are both the same conspiracy) it was more often the Jesuits who were accused of being mastermind secret assassins running the world behind the scenes, which in reality was usually an excuse for sectarian weirdoes to indulge in anti Irish, Italian, and Hispanic prejudices. 
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haveblue posted:That's sort of what happened to Kanye (his downward spiral began when his mother died in 2007)
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Guavanaut posted:It's interesting how this is the case for the modern type of antisemitism (Protocols of Zion/NWO inspired), which only really goes back to the early/mid 19th century. Blood libel dates back to the 11th century, at least.
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zoux posted:There is a long history of tension between the black and jewish communities in the US, Jesse Jackson famously called NYC "hymie-town" back in the 80s and you frequently see famous black athletes, actors, and artists post or boost anti-semitic speech or ideas on social media before they have to walk it back (or not in the case of DeSean Jackson) I think that pattern of behaviour - which is often raised as a problematic point in liberal and leftist spaces - is not an issue of "Black people have an outsize tendency to resent jews", as it is typically presented. This ignores the fact that Black people in the US are not a political monolith; what we're seeing is IMO examples of how Black people can be conserative / right wing populist, just like anyone else. note: I am neither American or Black
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It's definitely been used in bad faith to paint e.g. BLM as institutionally antisemitic, when those incidents are usually just "a Black celebrity who has nothing to do with BLM said this".zoux posted:Blood libel dates back to the 11th century, at least. That itself seems to happen around the same time as antisemitism (especially in France and Germany) evolved from a religiously based Jew hate into proto-fascist and pseudoscientific Antisemitismus.
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Guavanaut posted:Before it was Jews (either real Jews like Leon Trotsky in the case of the 'Judeo-Bolshevism' conspiracy or entirely made up ones like in the Protocols, but they are both the same conspiracy) it was more often the Jesuits who were accused of being mastermind secret assassins running the world behind the scenes, which in reality was usually an excuse for sectarian weirdoes to indulge in anti Irish, Italian, and Hispanic prejudices. It sort of makes sense, since back then the Church had a lot of pull among the 'commoners' and the elites (land-owners and other royalty), and all sorts of heresies and power struggles within the faith were intertwined with power interests. The Knights Templar were bad guys because they messed with cash flows, saying they tattooed crucifixes on their soles was just the backwards-B-carvings of the day. The rise of the petty bourgeoisie seems to make for fertile ground in looking for scapegoats in a new economic landscape, and "over-represented" Jews in trades and crafts works as An Other just fine. The link between Bolshevism and Judaism also has a neat coincidence of racially otherizing (in the "West") the folks who beheaded the owning class in Russia, thereby becoming the boogieboo of all of Europe. 
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That does make a lot of sense. One of the prototypal conspiracy theories of colonial America was the New York Conspiracy of 1741, which had a lot of batshit crazy constantly shifting accusations, but at the core was the idea that a white teacher was a Jesuit priest in disguise working with poor Irish and Spanish to bring about an uprising of enslaved Africans. There were no Jews in that one, but the central idea of there being a secret core of academic types causing trouble by telling African Americans that white supremacy is bad, thereby upsetting the 'natural order', is the exact same poo poo you'd see from Klansmen and Birchers in the 20th century, only of course with 'Marxist Jews' at the top instead of Jesuits and 'race mixing' instead of slavery. (Those people hated Catholics too, and I bet the 1740s guys had some terrible opinions about Jews, but there was a changing of who was secretly right at the top behind it all.) Nowadays you can have your nerdy bookish Catholics plotting to upset the natural order and your Soros/Schwab/Jewish Doctors AS conspiracies and there's even some that now think that it's trans people behind all of the above. Because their brains are made of pudding. 
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 The dude who beat Paul Pelosi with a hammer Also I see Jews and Jesuits on there so seems like he was a real renaissance man
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Being a guy that gets mad people criticize super hero movies is an interesting new one.
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SeANMcBAY posted:Being a guy that gets mad people criticize super hero movies is an interesting new one. https://twitter.com/debdrens/status/1586053558255767552 It's a little more than that zoux fucked around with this message at 18:59 on Oct 28, 2022 |
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Clearly we need President Dwayne Johnson to make us whole. Edit: reading that, I think that guy who tried to murder someone with a hammer may just be a crank. SeANMcBAY fucked around with this message at 20:30 on Oct 28, 2022 |
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From what I’m reading he’s a weirdo who used to do protests of anti public nudity laws in SF. I’m getting strong “mentally unwell guy who fell down the Q rabbit hole” indications
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 Ah. I don't understand why (to describe it in the most favorable-to-GGers way possible) a conflict of interest and ethical lapse in entertainment journalism scandal was this loving watershed event for online incel fascism. Like there's so many other things that coulda done it, or at least would make more sense. Literally it's just "got mad at some girl dev for sleeping with a guy who gave her game a good review". You think the video game rating system is generally highly ethical and objective?
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zoux posted:Ah. I don't understand why (to describe it in the most favorable-to-GGers way possible) a conflict of interest and ethical lapse in entertainment journalism scandal was this loving watershed event for online incel fascism. A lot of these losers felt that the male dominated video game world was their last bastion of total control. To suggest that it was somehow flawed was taken very, very personally.
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At first glance, face value, Gammer Gate starts as a reasonable backlash against corrupt media. You can go a decent way down the rabbit hole on it following "reasonable" arguments and with most of the rampant misogyny going unnoticed by a typical internet guy. The right wing very quickly took up the cause, and as a result a natural funnel towards extremism was formed. Remember, Gammer Gate is part of Milo's rise. You have to remember that most people just look up the aggregate rating score for games, don't read the actual review, and don't really think about the fact that all gamer "journalism" is and always has been little more than a font of publisher/studio advertising. So when they hear a lady hosed a guy for reviews, they can go a long way on simple outrage/annoyance that their imagined reliable recommendation system is being broken. You have to do more than read headlines and listen to YouTube summaries to realize the narrative you were sold was entirely bullshit. So, by the time you might realize nothing actually happened, you've also been fed a bunch of side noise about the sjw/feminist/trans/gay agenda that is being forced into your precious escapist entertainment. Essentially giving the radicalizers multiple avenues and chances to hook you further down the online chud conveyer belt.
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SeANMcBAY posted:https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1586074529100664833?s=46&t=tgY3oGXzHG1nvWeWSlMLfw It won't work, Caitlyn. The Trumpers will still put you up against the wall at their first opportunity.
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Geshtal posted:It won't work, Caitlyn. The Trumpers will still put you up against the wall at their first opportunity. But she even insinuated that she gets more hate for being conservative than being trans. 
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cat botherer posted:From butt implants he convinced her to get. Oh Jesus, for real?
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Gyges posted:At first glance, face value, Gammer Gate starts as a reasonable backlash against corrupt media. You can go a decent way down the rabbit hole on it following "reasonable" arguments (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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madmatt112 posted:Oh Jesus, for real? Not exactly. It wasn't butt implants, it was liposuction, abdominoplasty ("tummy tuck"), and breast reduction. And, at least by how he told it at the time, he didn't encourage her to get it but she obviously wouldn't've gotten the surgery without his fame and fortune. I'd love to see the game of racist/oedipal telephone that ends in forums user "cat botherer" thinking Kanye made his mom get butt implants lol
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Feels like being Kanye’s mom would be so much worse than being Kanye himself. The shame. e: I immediately regret writing this, feels mean. Sorry Kanye’s mom Donda, I hope your fake tits or whatever are kickin rad in rich people heaven.
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madmatt112 posted:Feels like being Kanye’s mom would be so much worse than being Kanye himself. The shame. if i was his mom and heard his first album i'd feel pretty good Wistful of Dollars posted:https://twitter.com/dougjballoon/status/1586364675092254721?s=46&t=1hVQmk6PpVBucHei7XkuXA getfiscal's back, baby
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i say swears online posted:i feel like this may have gotten lost in the shuffle but this is one of the most important essays ever written in the 20th century and i appreciate zoux for broaching the subject, or at the least, giving it context Yeah I wasn't able to properly reply to it in the moment but that is an impressive piece that I feel frames the issue in terms and concerns that are very honest and still absolutely relevant to this day. Baldwin is so awesome.
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I wasn't familiar with Baldwin so thanks for posting this. It's thoroughly considered and superbly written.
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He's a remarkable individual, I don't know why he's not as well known as other civil rights figures (jk he was openly gay) He's probably most well known for his debate against Buckley at Cambridge in 1965 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUBh9GqFU3A
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Welcome to the future of Twitter https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1586693291231178753
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Koburn posted:Insane. Is this something Republicans have ever done for Democrats? Yes, running spoiler candidates is common. It just usually doesn't result in the opposition saying 'yes this is exactly what I want' and then losing.
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Murc's law is supposed to be a joke guys Kind of the perfect example of this is the guy from MI 03, Peter Meijer, this "reasonable" GOP guy who voted for impeachment, tore his garments and gnashed his teeth about how the democrats could be boosting an insane fascist candidate like John Gibbs and then https://twitter.com/byron_tollefson/status/1554965604821524482 Peter Meijer woulda voted for Kevin McCarthy for speaker just like John Gibbs is gonna. Peter Meijer would've voted to ban litterboxes for feline-identifying middle school students, just Iike John Gibbs is gonna. zoux fucked around with this message at 19:02 on Oct 30, 2022 |
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murk's law and it's dems supporting the moderate choice in alaska
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i say swears online posted:usually the people they boost are like max rose or some poo poo, not people that would cancel elections if they could lol. it's a gigantic self-own from the dems, especially in AZ It’s a giant own on the American people really
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