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kw0134 posted:On the one hand, an attorney owes a duty of care that isn't reduced to a simple "yes sir" relationship with regards to legal advice and conduct. So if Pattis was directed to do this and that during the course of litigation, he has to at least show he tried to and failed to dissuade his client from pursuing this strategy. If the client insists on committing legal suicide then that's his choice to make but you have to make clear that it's, in fact, a terrible idea, so just following Jones' orders isn't proof against malpractice. Zealous representation doesn't mean running off a cliff with them because that's what they wanted. There's also the super-likely possibility that Norm petitioned to be removed not because he was opposed to the strategy but because that would have dragged this whole process out another 6 months to a year for "a new lawyer to get up to speed with all this case background and gee wilikers that's gonna take a while guys!!!" since that is something Alex has pulled multiple times in Texas and Connecticut
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There are huge reputational risks with petitioning for a withdrawal so unless Pattis was willing to burn his professional credibility with his peers, the local bar, and future clients, I kind of doubt it was done for a trivial reason especially since the court would have no way allowed any further delay for Jones to find another attorney in the meantime. Now this has been such a clownshow I can't put it past him, but given how the cases turned out I can't exactly say I wouldn't have wanted to be the attorney of record when the judgments were announced.
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Norm has such an unassailable reputation that he can pull down his pants and yell the n-word at a comedy club and it does not damage his reputation a single bit!
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I just pray his woke Insurance is up to date.
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pixaal posted:he has credibility left?
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let me show you these three cool old books my wife owns
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thoughts and prayers posted:If it wouldn't re-traumatize the witnesses in the process, I'd be right there. Oh well then I guess they'll have to up the compensatory then
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ALAB Series (very funny legal podcast) went after this before Twitter vs Musk 
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ILL Machina posted:let me show you these three cool old books my wife owns I mean if I had a wife and if she had 3 cool books, I too would shows those off to people because gently caress yeah cool books. I don’t think that’s the problem. The problem is not just being a pretentious douche, it’s that he’s actually awful at it. He pretty clearly doesn’t have the intellectual rear end in his pocket to throw his brain-weight around like that.
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Xiahou Dun posted:I mean if I had a wife and if she had 3 cool books, I too would shows those off to people because gently caress yeah cool books. I don’t think that’s the problem. Oh yeah I agree. Was just hilarious to find out he shows the same three to everyone while bragging about how much of a counter culture philosopher he is
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Dewgy posted:File > Print > Save As PDF You'd think so but here we are https://twitter.com/VodkaKi1/status/1583910855510327296?s=20&t=3S2toWh440uoSDIElC2BoA
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Shumagorath posted:ALAB Series (very funny legal podcast) went after this before Twitter vs Musk Oh, new ALAB? Sweet.
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Pirate Radar posted:Oh, new ALAB? Sweet.
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Shumagorath posted:They resolved their lawsuit and had the “aggrieved” party on the pod. They’re still weeks between episodes, but it remains my favourite podcast on a fun to total number of episodes metric. I listened to all of the episodes leading up to the coach guestisode because it had been so long, absolute 10/10 decision. I had no idea who coach was since it had been so long since I listened to the original lawyer brain episodes, and the realization hit me like a freight train once the law firm came up
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-21/sandy-hook-families-seek-2-75-trillion-from-alex-jonesquote:They reached the trillion-dollar sum by multiplying the state law’s up-to $5,000 per-violation fine by the 550 million social media exposures Jones’s audience received on his Facebook, YouTube and Twitter accounts in the three years following a school shooting that claimed the lives of 20 first graders and six educators in 2012. So...to summarize. This is the (unofficial) punitive damages that were thrown, specifically the maximum amount of damages per VIEW of FFS/Alex Jones/InfoWars that has happened so far. i.e., literally holding Jones accountable for every lie/view that got out. That's $5000 per view, 550 million views...give or take a bit here and there. I know this isn't going to work the way it should in a just world, but god drat do I want to see it argued out in court, specifically because of the live-stream Jones had during the verdict and damages awarded, and every following broadcast to millions of fans (most likely against legal council, but its Alex Jones and Norm Pattis, so they're both inept enough to somehow ignore this insane possibility for an already insane case).
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As much as I want for Alex Jones to burn in the middle of the sun, that kind of argumentation in court isn't healthy. It stinks to me like those arguments by IP holders, that anyone illegally uploading a copy of something is personally responsible in damages for the full price of that thing for each copy downloaded. Do I have an idea for a better system? No. I still think that what's presented here is ridiculous, and another example of judicial systems failing to keep up with what the internet does.
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StoryTime posted:As much as I want for Alex Jones to burn in the middle of the sun, that kind of argumentation in court isn't healthy. It stinks to me like those arguments by IP holders, that anyone illegally uploading a copy of something is personally responsible in damages for the full price of that thing for each copy downloaded. It was a default judgement because of failure to render discovery (i.e. let anyone look at the company at all). It went through Anti-SLAAP laws and a special appeal to a higher court. You can un-clutch your pearls. The only precedent this sets is "don't gently caress with the god drat courts". Even if we enjoy it morally. It's literally the best possibly outcome.
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Xiahou Dun posted:It was a default judgement because of failure to render discovery (i.e. let anyone look at the company at all). It went through Anti-SLAAP laws and a special appeal to a higher court. You're right of course. My comment was more of the general abstract kind, not really attached to this particular case outside of the method of argumentation used.
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Faust IX posted:[url] After the initial reaction Alex has fled, he's been 'on holiday' for the past couple of weeks.
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Deptfordx posted:After the initial reaction Alex has fled, he's been 'on holiday' for the past couple of weeks. Lol, I wonder if the fucker is already in Russia.
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StoryTime posted:Lol, I wonder if the fucker is already in Russia. As long as his money stays behind.
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StoryTime posted:Lol, I wonder if the fucker is already in Russia. He's probably in California again begging Peter Thiel for money or trying to meet with Elon to get his Twitter account back.
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We should start a pool for "Where in the World is Alex Jones?" The lowest payouts would be Russia and at home in a post-chili coma.
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Morter posted:More deposition audio for today's Knowledge Fight (742) God I love Formulaic Objections episodes. Wife has demanded that I use headphones because she can't handle hours of me listening to legal proceedings like this. She probably has the more healthy reaction between the two of us but I just can't stop enjoying listening to Alex unloading shotgun shell after shotgun shell right straight in to his foot.
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If Bolsonaro had won I might have put a cheeky bet on Brazil. But now I'm thinking Hungary.
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Hearing anyone strip down AJ in front of a crowd that is *not* his chosen audience is always god tier entertainments. He keeps thinking that, much like on his show, he can just yeet past the thing he just said that is patently untrue, and the plaintiffs slaps him down every time. “The judge is best buds with one of your partners!” “Oh yeah? Who?” “Uhhhhhhhhhhhhh I don’t recall” BigglesSWE fucked around with this message at 13:49 on Oct 31, 2022 |
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Random Stranger posted:We should start a pool for "Where in the World is Alex Jones?" The lowest payouts would be Russia and at home in a post-chili coma. Where does "Ate enough memory-wiping chili that he became a blank slate and had a new personality and history implanted. He now lives in Ohio under the name of Mark Fedderburg, who had been in a coma for the past 30 years, and only emerged recently to discover his family had passed away, but had left him a generous inheritance where he now lives peacefully raising chickens and helping out at local homeless shelters" fall on the payouts? And do I need to have the new alias or resident state right, or does just having the general gist count? I would hate to lose if he lived in Nebraska and I got everything else right.
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StoryTime posted:As much as I want for Alex Jones to burn in the middle of the sun, that kind of argumentation in court isn't healthy. It stinks to me like those arguments by IP holders, that anyone illegally uploading a copy of something is personally responsible in damages for the full price of that thing for each copy downloaded.
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That escalating "Alex, when did you last talk to Dan Bidondi" had me going aloud 'Noooooooh!?!'
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"Did you ever tell anyone you have a photographic memory?" "As hyperbole maybe but I have a really good memory. If I want to commit something to memory I will remember it." "But you don't remember telling anyone on Joe Rogan's show that you have a photographic memory?"
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On Alex-watch talk he was in studio for a pre taped show that went out on Saturday with a short rant and some guest interviews including Roger. Haven’t looked at Sunday or today’s stuff.
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BigglesSWE posted:Hearing anyone strip down AJ in front of a crowd that is *not* his chosen audience is always god tier entertainments. OBJECTION "Your client made a claim that the presiding judge and a partner at my firm are in collision and you're objecting to how I said Oh."
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bird food bathtub posted:I just can't stop enjoying listening to Alex unloading shotgun shell after shotgun shell right straight in to his foot. Higher up and closer to the center line.
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Dang It Bhabhi! posted:Always a weird time when Roger shows up. He was really excited to get into the conspiracy nonsense about Paul Pelosi
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