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Laterite posted:general rule of thumb is that 1 cubic yard of topsoil is ~1.5 tons. i bet someone like bar ran dun could extrapolate out the capacity and fuel costs of shipping enough material to cover greenland or northern canada what if we used slavery instead?
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Oct 31, 2022 15:25
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Mayor Dave posted:https://twitter.com/PatBlanchfield/status/1587038916724547584?s=20&t=P48-COb9I9TFLZOeS-vpvA lol 
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Oct 31, 2022 15:34
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Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:what if we used slavery instead? start loading the triremes
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Oct 31, 2022 15:43
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Mayor Dave posted:https://twitter.com/PatBlanchfield/status/1587038916724547584?s=20&t=P48-COb9I9TFLZOeS-vpvA Unironically this.  
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Oct 31, 2022 15:51
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Just be grateful for the luxuries you were able to enjoy today, before they are squandered tomorrow: - Relatively cheap and nourishing food all times of the year. - Potable clean drinking water - Outdoor conditions that are not completely inhospitable to life - Posting with ur pals - Family and friends, who may or may not be blissfully ignorant of the world to come - The relative peace and quiet of everyday life, especially on a local level - The sounds of nature, whether it be the croaking of frogs or the twitter of birds - The terrible treats from our fossil fueled cornucopia, which was nothing more than the squandered wealth of humanity's inheritance Hubbert has issued a correction as of 16:01 on Oct 31, 2022 |
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Oct 31, 2022 15:57
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oh the frogs are croaking alright
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Oct 31, 2022 16:00
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Wakko posted:tens of thousands of years of consumption have brought us here, and you whine? imagine a tuberculosis bacterium mewling like this 
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Oct 31, 2022 16:45
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Hubbert posted:squandered wealth of humanity's inheritance Grave-robbing does not count as inheritance
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Oct 31, 2022 16:54
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Car Hater posted:Grave-robbing does not count as inheritance It definitely will in the future.
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Oct 31, 2022 17:13
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Hubbert posted:Just be grateful for the luxuries you were able to enjoy today, before they are squandered tomorrow: where does twerk and eat hot chip fit in with all of this?
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Oct 31, 2022 19:24
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FlapYoJacks posted:where does twerk and eat hot chip fit in with all of this? posting with your pals blissfully ignorant family and friends cheap food
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Oct 31, 2022 19:26
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So soil transplantation is technically doable on a small to medium scale? It wont feed the world, but maybe Canada could feed itself if it gets its hand on enough fertile topsoil? Greenland could at least be self-sufficent in calories even as fishing and hunting collapses completely? Honestly that`s a lot better then i imagined.
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Oct 31, 2022 19:29
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Laterite posted:general rule of thumb is that 1 cubic yard of topsoil is ~1.5 tons. i bet someone like bar ran dun could extrapolate out the capacity and fuel costs of shipping enough material to cover greenland or northern canada Ok, 1 square mile = 640 acres. That's a medium sized field, of which there are hundreds of thousands in America. 640 acres = 3,097,600 square yards. Assuming we want our dirt 3ft deep that gives us that many cubic yards, which weighs about 4,646,400 tones. A large dump truck can carry about 16cu yards. A gondola rail car can carry about 92 cubic yards. So, either 193,600 truck loads, or 336 trains. (Assuming 100 car trains). Now we need a distance. From some random spot in the Midwest to a fair ways over the Canadian border, let's use 1000 miles. Those dump trucks get 8 to 10 mpg. Let's use 10. 193,600 trucks driving 1000 miles one way equals 19,360,000 gallons, or 352,000 barrels. They will do a little better on the return trip, lets say 300,000 barrels. I don't know how to estimate the fuel use of the excavators and tractors that will be digging up the soil and spreading it in Canada, but it shouldn't be more than the fuel to transport it. Let's say it's roughly a third for 148,000. That gives us 800,000 barrels of fuel to dig up a square mile (640 acres) and transport it 1000 miles north and then spread it out with tractors. The us has about 900,000,000 acres under cultivation. We all agree that a lot of that is wasted with cattle grazing. If you take just corn, soy, and wheat together we have about 240 million acres. So we will be digging up our square mile 375,000 times. We are combining gas and diesel together here, as a mix of both will be used. My numbers will be a little off as you don't get equal amounts from a barrel of oil, but they shouldn't be way off. We need 300 billion barrels, or about 16 trillion gallons of fuel. Assuming the US uses about 8 million barrels per day of gas and 4mpd of diesel, that comes to about 25,000 days, or about 67 years of US fuel consumption to dig up the Midwest and haul it to Canada, which is less than I expected. There are about 2 million semis in use in the US currently. Obviously there is a lot left out here. Besides my fuel numbers being off by a few billion barrels in either direction, 200k trucks and tens of thousands of excavators and tractors need to be built. Roads, fuel stations, and other infrastructure needs to be built. Irrigation and water lines need to be built. We need to double our refinery capacity. A fair amount of dirtwork needs to be done in Canada to keep our new topsoil from just washing away. The best I can say is that for about 100 years worth of gdp and fuel consumption, the US may be able to pick up its staple crop acreage and haul it to central Canada.
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Oct 31, 2022 19:31
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Laterite posted:general rule of thumb is that 1 cubic yard of topsoil is ~1.5 tons. i bet someone like bar ran dun could extrapolate out the capacity and fuel costs of shipping enough material to cover greenland or northern canada I don't think weight matters that much, just how well it packs and how many shis you order. like the lumber people got $80/container rates or some bs, because they can fill up several ships.
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Oct 31, 2022 19:31
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bagual posted:Al Saqr i know you know this deep in your heart but every westerner is either hostile, clueless or completely checked out on the environment, they either embrace some sort of green grift or just give up and turn into a sad ball of over-intellectualized excuses. I feel like "the solution to climate change is full communism now" is cspam as hell and unrealistic.
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Oct 31, 2022 19:50
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Turtle Sandbox posted:I feel like "the solution to climate change is full communism now" is cspam as hell and unrealistic. Correct, because the solution to climate change is full nuclear Armageddon now
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Oct 31, 2022 19:57
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how did Star Trek open a portal to the time people blared beastie boys from convertibles? let’s do that
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Oct 31, 2022 20:25
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Turtle Sandbox posted:I feel like "the solution to climate change is full communism now" is cspam as hell and unrealistic. You have three options: a bunch of stuff that won't work and it's too late to do; or that but with fantasy  ; or that but with dialectical materialist fantasy, er, revolutionary optimism
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Oct 31, 2022 20:30
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the solution to climate change is communism (textbook definition, classless, stateless, moneyless, etc.) or something very much like it that's why we won't have a solution 🤷♀️
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Oct 31, 2022 20:49
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eco-stalinism might work in a pinch
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Oct 31, 2022 21:02
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kater posted:how did Star Trek open a portal to the time people blared beastie boys from convertibles? let’s do that gently caress JJ Abrams
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Oct 31, 2022 21:03
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As this thread is clearly filled with malthusian ecofascists who do not believe in humanity's future, I would like to provide you with Exhibit A to prove you doomers wrong:
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Oct 31, 2022 21:11
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Hubbert posted:As this thread is clearly filled with malthusian ecofascists who do not believe in humanity's future, I would like to provide you with Exhibit A to prove you doomers wrong: oops turns out there ARE major limits to human intelligence, imagination, and wonder.
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Oct 31, 2022 21:14
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My approach to climate change
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Oct 31, 2022 21:23
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Hubbert posted:As this thread is clearly filled with malthusian ecofascists who do not believe in humanity's future, I would like to provide you with Exhibit A to prove you doomers wrong: Lol at saying this to all the wage slaves trying to survive
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Oct 31, 2022 21:48
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Hexigrammus posted:That's part of developing a palliative care mindset - hug the blackberry!
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Oct 31, 2022 22:09
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jesus christ you guys really are trying to commoditize it none of the logistics around shipping weights matter at all. soil biology is destroyed simply by tilling in place. if you scraped it up and put it some container and kept it there for days you would all but sterilize it. by the time you ship fertile soil literally anywhere, even down the street, it is no longer fertile soil, thus utterly defeating the purpose long before your spreadhseet poo poo comes in to play.
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Oct 31, 2022 22:10
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Hubbert posted:- The sounds of nature, whether it be the croaking of frogs or the twitter of birds they are also called a banjo frog because the bonking sounds kind of like a banjo. every time i hear them, i think of leonard cohen watching his death slowly approach across the dark infested sea
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Oct 31, 2022 22:11
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MightyBigMinus posted:jesus christ you guys really are trying to commoditize it Yes, people were really trying to figure it out. It wasn't tounge in cheek. You tool. You absolute fool.
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Oct 31, 2022 22:15
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Relax, we are sending it next day air
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Oct 31, 2022 22:23
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I hear that glaciers are melting. Are we sure that that is what's going on? It could just be that everyone is using the glaciers for ice, like gas stations and stuff
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Oct 31, 2022 22:24
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MightyBigMinus posted:jesus christ you guys really are trying to commoditize it But dirt has what plants crave.
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Oct 31, 2022 22:24
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Fell Mood posted:This is a very rough estimate. Hmmm  how do the numbers change if we use a fleet of these?https://twitter.com/PortofNewcastle/status/1584419448726749185 It's carrying 100,000 tons of coal
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Oct 31, 2022 22:24
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Car Hater posted:Correct, because the solution to climate change is full nuclear Armageddon now this is ableist AND Malthusian as gently caress. the solution to climate change is fifty billion humans
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Oct 31, 2022 22:24
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i can generate an acre of topsoil in a week, purely from my abundant rear end in a top hat
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Oct 31, 2022 22:53
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buy my boxes of dirt bitches
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Oct 31, 2022 22:59
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goochtit posted:Hmmm Lol love that stinger
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Oct 31, 2022 22:59
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a strange fowl posted:i can generate an acre of topsoil in a week, purely from my abundant rear end in a top hat Heh "Top" "soil"
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Oct 31, 2022 23:05
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a strange fowl posted:there is a frog native to southeastern australia that is called a pobblebonk because when they're horny they go pobble pobble pobble BONK pobble BONK BONK BONK pobblebonk same
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Oct 31, 2022 23:31
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Turtle Sandbox posted:I feel like "the solution to climate change is full communism now" is cspam as hell and unrealistic. there is no solution to climate change, it's just we'll go through it with either socialism or barbarism i think the "there's no mitigation to be done" camp is just waiting for an ersatz biblical apocalypse, a day of reckoning which will come when "the climate change" will finally destroy everything, something like that there's no true relief in giving up, it's not like it's just climate change that's the problem, there's the slew of problems that are political in nature and totally avoidable like britain spewing poo poo and toxic waste all over it's coast, dam neglect flooding entire hydro basins with arsenic mud mining byproduct, ambitiously stupid water use expansion projects causing rivers to literally run dry when a drought hits, it's endless bullshit really, even if it's gonna all turn to desert it doesn't need to be a toxic desert too so that's why in my opinion if you think doing something about these isn't worth it because climate scenario RCP8.5 will destroy everything in a couple of years then i don't think you're fit to talk about what's worth doing really, too far up your own rear end to see the biosphere collapse that's already happening in front of you, the issue is society is not only not decelerating it's stepping hard on the gas, if you can't oppose that even in idle thought you're too far gone not that i expect anything of you really, we're just here to lol and lmao and 
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