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mystes posted:Reposting this from yospos: I hate cars too, but do you imagine that they’re going to eschew all mechanization for some reason? Does anyone itt have actual exposure to the realities of agriculture? If I’m gonna farm my food Im gonna get an old tractor (pre-John Deere software bullshit) to make the labor less backbreaking. Doubt many old tractors come with automatic transmissions. Hell, I knew some kids whose pacifist family basically did the tweet and lived simply, farming their own food and staying below the poverty line to ensure they didn’t contribute monetarily to US imperialism. They rode bikes most places but still had a tractor because this isn’t 1870 and agriculture is hard loving work.
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Loucks posted:I hate cars too, but do you imagine that they’re going to eschew all mechanization for some reason? Does anyone itt have actual exposure to the realities of agriculture? If I’m gonna farm my food Im gonna get an old tractor (pre-John Deere software bullshit) to make the labor less backbreaking. Doubt many old tractors come with automatic transmissions. The pastoralist thing is currently an Instagram aesthetic where you imagine yourself as a blond haired blue eyed girl wearing a hand embroidered dress frolicking through the forest foraging mushrooms to bring back to your thatch roofed cottage where you prepare them on your wood fired stove. It has zero connection to any sort of reality where you have to do actual work to live like this and entirely to do with what accessories can be set out for a good photo for Instagram
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Loucks posted:I hate cars too, but Stopped reading
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Dog Case posted:The pastoralist thing is currently an Instagram aesthetic where you imagine yourself as a blond haired blue eyed girl wearing a hand embroidered dress frolicking through the forest foraging mushrooms to bring back to your thatch roofed cottage where you prepare them on your wood fired stove. It has zero connection to any sort of reality where you have to do actual work to live like this and entirely to do with what accessories can be set out for a good photo for Instagram See this is context I dont have because I don’t have instagram pr Facebook or any of that awful poo poo. Never mind. Carry on.
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Dog Case posted:The pastoralist thing is currently an Instagram aesthetic where you imagine yourself as a blond haired blue eyed girl wearing a hand embroidered dress frolicking through the forest foraging mushrooms to bring back to your thatch roofed cottage where you prepare them on your wood fired stove. It has zero connection to any sort of reality where you have to do actual work to live like this and entirely to do with what accessories can be set out for a good photo for Instagram Not pictured is the part where you have to do this for 12 hours/day and you are only barely not starving.
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:There's a posh neighborhood in Philly called Chestnut Hill. It's served by two regional rail stations and two different lines, however it is possible to take a train between the two. These wacky boys undertook that voyage god drat america.
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they don’t want subsistence farmer life they want landowner life
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My ancestors' skills involved a lot of genocide so I'll probably just figure out my own thing
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BonHair posted:The concept of paying for public transport is pretty dumb in the first place, just tons of effort wasted on something that adds zero value. people say this a lot without realizing that it's because they have internalized the idea that public transit is charity for poor people. in most major metropolitan areas the yearly cost of taking public transit is lower than just the parking fees accrued using a car to commute to work, let alone all other car related expenses. public transit is already affordable for almost everyone, the problem is that public transit is garbage. with the expection of 2 or 3 metropolitan areas, public transit takes 4x as long to get people where they're going. that's why most people pay 8 times as much to own a car the moment they can afford it to get off the lovely bus, because they get 8+ hours of their life back every week im not against helping the poor btw, but making public transit free doesn't necessarily do that and it reinforces the idea that public transit is just a bare minimum option of last resort for the deserving poor
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In America in many places it is literally too expensive for the poor. When i've done jury duty they've literally given me bus passes and such because so many people can't even get downtown for it.
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The past, huh. Sure. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frL-TUr-ApI
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dxt posted:But we need a way to keep undesirables off the trains. They're already in their cars though?
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jettisonedstuff posted:people say this a lot without realizing that it's because they have internalized the idea that public transit is charity for poor people. in most major metropolitan areas the yearly cost of taking public transit is lower than just the parking fees accrued using a car to commute to work, let alone all other car related expenses. public transit is already affordable for almost everyone, the problem is that public transit is garbage. with the expection of 2 or 3 metropolitan areas, public transit takes 4x as long to get people where they're going. that's why most people pay 8 times as much to own a car the moment they can afford it to get off the lovely bus, because they get 8+ hours of their life back every week Thinking about the two years when I walked six miles round-trip to work because I couldn't afford the $90 a month a transit pass cost (not that a six mile walk is a hardship in your twenties, but public transit definitely wasn't affordable on $6 an hour)
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i mean, in this fantasy world where free public transit is politically viable it's a better choice to do UBI or raise the minimum wage or something
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BonHair posted:They're already in their cars though? no you see we need to keep the poors off the train so that the good moneyed people will take the train instead of driving (they will never do this)
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Train tracks everywhere, but the trains only stop at golf courses, luxury resorts, private clinics and exclusive gated communities.
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jettisonedstuff posted:i mean, in this fantasy world where free public transit is politically viable it's a better choice to do UBI or raise the minimum wage or something “politically viable”
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jettisonedstuff posted:i mean, in this fantasy world where free public transit is politically viable it's a better choice to do UBI or raise the minimum wage or something If we limit ourselves to what is politically viable in the U.S. currently, may as well just give the gently caress up entirely.
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Also, fares don't really have much to do with levels of investment in infrastructure/capital expenditures (beyond personnel costs). That is usually at a higher (usually state/federal) level. If anything, you would want to make public transit as cheap as possible to get people to use it to pressure the government to stop skipping on investment. ---- That said, if you want a don't want a car but want a decent quality of live you pretty much have to live in a different country at this point. I don't think the NYC subway getting better in the future, and the DC metro really isn't any better.
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i've said this before itt but my favorite part of the orlando commuter rail is that the grift involved in running the fare system cost more than the amount of money they collected. I don't know if it ever went positive but quote:
just the most hilarious lib-brained "thinking". People might USE this thing we spent hundreds of millions building! we can't have that! It'd reduce congestion on I4 and we couldn't get hundreds of billions of federal dollars to add just one more lane bro, just one more lane i swear it'll solve traffic just one more lane just checked for '22 and looks like a half million on fare collection vs 1.4m on fares now, so they got costs down and went positive. Funnier fact: they own the rails and charge CSX and Amtrak to use them. That's $5m/year in revenue or 5x the net profit on fares. Naturally the largest income source is the $24 million in grants. Harik has issued a correction as of 23:18 on Nov 1, 2022 |
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1083 people use the train each day 17,000 people take I4's pay-to-bypass-traffic lanes each day. I4 itself is 160,000 vehicles per day, estimated
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Harik posted:I4 itself is 160,000 vehicles per day, estimated And that's just vehicles. It's gotta be at least 162,000 passengers total, maybe 163.
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jettisonedstuff posted:i mean, in this fantasy world where free public transit is politically viable it's a better choice to do UBI or raise the minimum wage or something King County Metro (seattles bus service) basically made buses completely free during covid because they didnt want people near the drivers (bunch of drivers died early on from covid) and it made zero difference to the bottom line. Just make it free for good.
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The only purpose for charging money to use mass transit is to reduce the number of people using mass transit. That's it, that's the goal.
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Garbage state. https://twitter.com/alexisdomm/status/1587610392854872064
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Tendales posted:The only purpose for charging money to use mass transit is to reduce the number of people using mass transit. That's it, that's the goal. these seems obviously untrue internationally, even looking at the most successful systems that transport large numbers of disadvantaged people. free transit is cool but it's also cool to know things about how the world work
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Dog Case posted:The pastoralist thing is currently an Instagram aesthetic where you imagine yourself as a blond haired blue eyed girl wearing a hand embroidered dress frolicking through the forest foraging mushrooms to bring back to your thatch roofed cottage where you prepare them on your wood fired stove. It has zero connection to any sort of reality where you have to do actual work to live like this and entirely to do with what accessories can be set out for a good photo for Instagram Blonde hair blue eyed huh. I think I'm starting to understand why they're doing it
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jettisonedstuff posted:i mean, in this fantasy world where free public transit is politically viable it's a better choice to do UBI or raise the minimum wage or something I mean, obviously do flat income or UBI first if that was remotely on the table anywhere. As I see it though, public transport cost is more or less completely divorced from how many people use it. For intra city daytime, you want service at least every 10 minutes with whatever reasonable coverage, and that just has a base cost in terms of number of busses, drivers, trains and so on. Costs the same until you get full loads of passengers, at which point you scale up obviously. But it's essentially a fixed cost to have viable public transport. In my mind, this means that it makes sense to just forgo the bureaucracy and hassle and raise taxes by 0.001 dollars per year or whatever. Political realities are different though. But realpolitik is the first step towards liberalism.
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I take back what I said about r/fuckcars being OK. They're EV superfans over there.
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Fitzy Fitz posted:I take back what I said about r/fuckcars being OK. They're EV superfans over there. The anticar people on Reddit seem to genuinely think that every American owned a horse prior to the automobile and that all we’ve got to do is swap them in for cars and change nothing else about our lifestyles. The modern American brain is fundamentally broken and cannot imagine a world where we walk to places.
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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:The anticar people on Reddit seem to genuinely think that every American owned a horse prior to the automobile and that all we’ve got to do is swap them in for cars and change nothing else about our lifestyles. the modern american ideal is a Razer Kraken Gaming Chair on an elaborate system of conveyor belts that just moves them around from Work station to Leisure station
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WALL-E future was seen as something to aspire to
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I don't know how many times I have to tell people that rural communities are not inherently spread out. I grew up in an Appalachian town with a population of about 200. It was founded around 1900. In the old town everything was in walking distance -- the bank, the post office, the railroad, the school, the fire department, the general store. And the houses were in a fairly dense grid next to all of that. The modern rural environment, where everyone's houses are miles apart simply because they can be, is a total function of cars rather than an inherent quality of the rural environment. There are obvious exceptions, namely farmers and poor landowners, but man, people need to read a history book.
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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:The anticar people on Reddit seem to genuinely think that every American owned a horse prior to the automobile and that all we’ve got to do is swap them in for cars and change nothing else about our lifestyles. there was an infamous post in r/askhistorians or something where someone asked where the romans parked all their carts and chariots when they went into rome to watch games at the coliseum lol
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Fitzy Fitz posted:I take back what I said about r/fuckcars being OK. They're EV superfans over there. Maybe it's just that new people keep joining who aren't on the same page, idk Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:The anticar people on Reddit seem to genuinely think that every American owned a horse prior to the automobile and that all we’ve got to do is swap them in for cars and change nothing else about our lifestyles.
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If anything, the sub seems mostly pro bike and walkable cities, with hating cars being the glue that holds everything together. Considering how garbage most subs get once they get the least bit popular (occasionally showing up on the front page of r/all) they're good. They even have pretty good faith interpretations of events like this compared to the usual bloodlust you see on reddit. I don't sub, but I do check it out when this thread is slow and I need to amp myself up on hating cars. Fitzy Fitz posted:I don't know how many times I have to tell people that rural communities are not inherently spread out. I grew up in an Appalachian town with a population of about 200. It was founded around 1900. In the old town everything was in walking distance -- the bank, the post office, the railroad, the school, the fire department, the general store. And the houses were in a fairly dense grid next to all of that. The modern rural environment, where everyone's houses are miles apart simply because they can be, is a total function of cars rather than an inherent quality of the rural environment. There are obvious exceptions, namely farmers and poor landowners, but man, people need to read a history book. And even those farmers are probably only living a couple miles away from a small 100-200 person town with a general store, post office, etc. they're not out in the wilderness homesteading on 50,000 acre ranches like the big corporate farms. My grandma lives in one of those towns and is still able to walk to the post office at 90 because it's literally 300 feet away. The amish out there are extremely cool and friendly and always load us up with whoopie pies 
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Spergin Morlock posted:i sometimes drive to the grocery store that is literally across the street because i hate crosswalks Yeah it sucks that they design traffic patterns to encourage car use like that
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https://twitter.com/SNCF/status/1586694019807051777?t=DhHq3kD8JFIEkK4Tzoq-fA&s=19 SNCF 's stance on free* transport seems good to me
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