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Necrothatcher
Mar 26, 2005




Philippe posted:

I've actually been thinking about getting a :filez: version of Death Stranding, just to see how much of the multiplayer component is legit and how much is built into the game. I'm curious, because often there's a structure you need exactly where it makes sense.

Well it's where it makes sense because another player thought the same!

:colbert:

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Mierenneuker
Apr 28, 2010


We're all going to experience changes in our life but only the best of us will qualify for front row seats.

Captain Hygiene posted:

I've been giving Death Stranding a second try, and this time around I'm really appreciating the little mechanic where Sam can just yell something into the void, and if another player is (invisibly) nearby you'll hear him shout something nice in return.
"I'm loving done!"
"You've got this!"
:respek::unsmith:

Don't forget to "yell" something when you're using a hot spring.

Especially when you are escorting a certain person, I'm not talking about BB here.

Philippe
Aug 9, 2013

(she/her)

Necrothatcher posted:

Well it's where it makes sense because another player thought the same!

:colbert:

That's what I'm thinking, yeah, but still. It'd be nice to have confirmation.

WaltherFeng
May 15, 2013

50 thousand people used to live here. Now, it's the Mushroom Kingdom.

Philippe posted:

I've actually been thinking about getting a :filez: version of Death Stranding, just to see how much of the multiplayer component is legit and how much is built into the game. I'm curious, because often there's a structure you need exactly where it makes sense.

I've played enough Dark Souls to know the community can be so dedicated they point every single secret in the game via the ingame messages you leave on the ground. Some people get creative and even point out useful exploits and tactics with it.

So the idea that there's this huge pool of players who know exactly what are the optimal places for structures doesn't seem unlikely.

madeintaipei
Jul 13, 2012

Philippe posted:

I've actually been thinking about getting a :filez: version of Death Stranding, just to see how much of the multiplayer component is legit and how much is built into the game. I'm curious, because often there's a structure you need exactly where it makes sense.

My first playthough was done almost entirely offline, on launch. The second playthrough was all online, after the game had been out for a year and a half, with the third six months after that, still online.

As stated above, players seem to pick obvious structure locations. Bridges are the main things I see in the same places, which makes sense as they're a fixed length. Generator and shelter placement looks like it's dictated by lvl. 3 truck range more than anything else. Zipline routes kind of go where you'd expect, with some variation of starting points.

The biggest effect of offline vs. online are the desire paths. As the game got older and players learned their preferred routes, the terrain changed quite significantly. Of particular note are the basalt column formations. These can be a bear to traverse on foot, and neigh impossible in a truck, in a wholly offline game. Online desire paths flatten them out to the point a truck can climb right through.

How that works is a mystery to me. I don't know if the paths are calculated by movement of all players, or just ones you have a connection to. Neat feature, however it does work.

BioEnchanted
Aug 9, 2011

He plays for the dreamers that forgot how to dream, and the lovers that forgot how to love.
I've started playing Olli Olli World, a skateboarding based 2.5d platformer. It's very cute and charming, and also gets tough pretty quickly.

Zero_Grade
Mar 18, 2004

Darktider 🖤🌊

~Neck Angels~

Phy posted:

I just found out about the Super Mario 1 a+start continue trick.

Just now.

Where was this thirty-six years ago??
You should have asked your uncle.

Hector Delgado
Sep 23, 2007

Time for shore leave!!
Any kid knew this was the true bible back in 1986



Book was filled with secrets like that. It's Goonies 2 maps were invaluable

Captain Hygiene
Sep 17, 2007

You mess with the crabbo...



Necrothatcher posted:

Well it's where it makes sense because another player thought the same!

:colbert:

:hmmyes:

A funny one I found yesterday wasn't even a structure, it was just a sign someone put seemingly in the middle of nowhere reminding people to save, right outside where a seemingly innocuous mission suddenly turns into about 15 enemies rolling up in trucks to rob you.

JPrime
Jul 4, 2007

tales of derring-do, bad and good luck tales!
College Slice

Mierenneuker posted:

Don't forget to "yell" something when you're using a hot spring.

Especially when you are escorting a certain person, I'm not talking about BB here.

you can do this a couple of times, not just with Mama

Vidaeus
Jan 27, 2007

Cats are gonna cat.

Hector Delgado posted:

Any kid knew this was the true bible back in 1986



Book was filled with secrets like that. It's Goonies 2 maps were invaluable
If this guide is for >90 games why is it so thin? Even a page per game would be thicker than that.

Velocity Raptor
Jul 27, 2007

I MADE A PROMISE
I'LL DO ANYTHING

Hector Delgado posted:

Any kid knew this was the true bible back in 1986



Book was filled with secrets like that. It's Goonies 2 maps were invaluable
My brother and I used this when we were younger.

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

Kinda crazy how we all decided to adopt a different aspect ratio for every single screen in the entire world over a period of like 8 years

Hector Delgado
Sep 23, 2007

Time for shore leave!!

Vidaeus posted:

If this guide is for >90 games why is it so thin? Even a page per game would be thicker than that.

It looks like its just the cover and not the insides. I'd say it had about 140 pages and some stickers at the back.

Kitfox88
Aug 21, 2007

Anybody lose their glasses?
When I was younger I had that sketchy rear end Pokemon red/blue guide that told you to use the masterball on like, tentacool or whatever. :allears:

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

I recall a lot of game guides with cheats in them that just didn’t work.

Did they ever work? Did they just make them up? Their response is probably “whatever, gently caress you, give me $10”

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

jokes posted:

I recall a lot of game guides with cheats in them that just didn’t work.

Did they ever work? Did they just make them up? Their response is probably “whatever, gently caress you, give me $10”

It depends a lot on the specific book.

If you saw something in an official guide that didn't work a lot of the time it was because they were going off an earlier version of the game and something changed before release. In unofficial guides it can be a typo or (as got increasingly frequent) they were just stealing from websites without checking.

Bussamove
Feb 25, 2006

I had a Prima(?) strategy guide for Ogre Battle: March of the Black Queen that was literally falling apart by the time I lost it, it saw so much use.

It was also 85% useless but at least it told me where buried treasure was to savescum for rare items. :v:

madeintaipei
Jul 13, 2012

ImpAtom posted:

It depends a lot on the specific book.

If you saw something in an official guide that didn't work a lot of the time it was because they were going off an earlier version of the game and something changed before release. In unofficial guides it can be a typo or (as got increasingly frequent) they were just stealing from websites without checking.

The official guide for GTA: San Andreas had a few errors with the horseshoe collectibles in Las Venturas, due to the author basing the guide off of a pre-release build. I called up the publishing company and they sent me a double sided page to staple into the book. Useless now, but I still have the guide, collectibles marked down with different notation for every time I used it; PS2, XBox, 360, PS3, PS4, Definitive Edition.

Cleretic
Feb 3, 2010


Ignore my posts!
I'm aggressively wrong about everything!
One of the worst game guides in history was the Prima guide for Mortal Kombat 9, which actually realized that it was probably not going to have accurate information in the future, especially for a game that was going to have a lot of patches and new content.

...so they just didn't include any move data. Not even stuff like damage numbers that could be subject to change, they didn't include stuff like frame data or combos that aren't likely to change, are actually super important for the playerbase to have access to, and are in fact the main reason fighting game guides sold.

Without all that, all the guide really ended up being was a history of Mortal Kombat's competitive scene, and a bunch of takes on character viability from a team of decidedly non-competitive players after a couple days of playing each other. Basically none of their reads on character viability held up.

Morpheus
Apr 18, 2008

My favourite little monsters

Velocity Raptor posted:

My brother and I used this when we were younger.


I don't know if it was this book specifically or one in the series (I want to say it had a yellow cover and was the third but who knows), but I had a book that didn't contain a map for Legend of Zelda, but it did describe how to make one, at least one that contained info about treasures and caves.

So it'd be like, "Make a 12 by 8 grid, label the vertical axis A B C etc, label the horizontal axis 1 2 3. The following squares have stores: A2, B6, F10. The following squares are dungeon entrances: B9, D8, etc."

I must've drawn that map four or five times. Maybe used it once?

Edit: heck yeah https://www.pressthebuttons.com/2016/09/the-true-story-of-jeff-rovin-how-to-win-at-nintendo-book-series.html

Morpheus has a new favorite as of 03:18 on Nov 4, 2022

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
A lot of games back then like Zelda or Metroid were literally made more or less expecting you to draw your own maps, yeah.

Written notes can be very useful for games still, especially with how useless most 'guides' are now.

Captain Hygiene
Sep 17, 2007

You mess with the crabbo...



Ghost Leviathan posted:

Written notes can be very useful for games still, especially with how useless most 'guides' are now.

Wait, what? I find randomly searching through thirty-minute youtube walkthrough videos to answer specific easily addressable questions extremely rewarding

Agents are GO!
Dec 29, 2004

Velocity Raptor posted:

My brother and I used this when we were younger.


I had that book as a kid. Fun fact: Jeff Rovin has had a hell of a career!

John Murdoch
May 19, 2009

I can tune a fish.

Captain Hygiene posted:

Wait, what? I find randomly searching through thirty-minute youtube walkthrough videos to answer specific easily addressable questions extremely rewarding

Don't be ridiculous, the information can be easily found on the ad-choked, stream-opening wiki with copy and pasted info that is actually incomplete. And the information that isn't is written so cryptically vague so as to be useless. And no I'm not still mad.

ilmucche
Mar 16, 2016

What did you say the strategy was?

John Murdoch posted:

Don't be ridiculous, the information can be easily found on the ad-choked, stream-opening wiki with copy and pasted info that is actually incomplete. And the information that isn't is written so cryptically vague so as to be useless. And no I'm not still mad.

gamefaqs was great. most of the fandom wikis are trash

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

ilmucche posted:

gamefaqs was great. most of the fandom wikis are trash

They're literally an ad-choked corporate attempt to drive out the actual wikis by buying Google results.

Len
Jan 21, 2008

Pouches, bandages, shoulderpad, cyber-eye...

Bitchin'!


John Murdoch posted:

Don't be ridiculous, the information can be easily found on the ad-choked, stream-opening wiki with copy and pasted info that is actually incomplete. And the information that isn't is written so cryptically vague so as to be useless. And no I'm not still mad.

Nah that's old hat. Nowadays you need to find a subreddit that links to a discord and then you've gotta find the relevant channel for your particular question and then check the pins

lord funk
Feb 16, 2004

'Hey welcome back to the channel in this tutorial I'm going to show you where to get the Red Wand if you like tutorials like this be sure to like and subscribe before we begin I'd like to thank my sponser for this video...'

Kazzah
Jul 15, 2011

Formerly known as
Krazyface
Hair Elf
I remember cheating like crazy in Age of Mythology, except I couldn't use the instant build/recruit one because it was "L33T SUP4 H4XX0R", and I never thought to try a zero instead of an o.

Biplane
Jul 18, 2005

Kazzah posted:

I remember cheating like crazy in Age of Mythology, except I couldn't use the instant build/recruit one because it was "L33T SUP4 H4XX0R", and I never thought to try a zero instead of an o.

Lol. Adorable

Sally
Jan 9, 2007


Don't post Small Dash!

Byzantine posted:


Also the Outrider is in, which is nice.

hell yes!

Agents are GO!
Dec 29, 2004

Byzantine posted:

Also the Outrider is in, which is nice.

Unfortunately, the Inrider is out.

Dewgy
Nov 10, 2005

~🚚special delivery~📦

quote:

Jeff Rovin has been editor-in-chief of Weekly World News,

I’ll be honest I didn’t need to even finish the first sentence before I was happy I clicked that link.

Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT

Kazzah posted:

I remember cheating like crazy in Age of Mythology, except I couldn't use the instant build/recruit one because it was "L33T SUP4 H4XX0R", and I never thought to try a zero instead of an o.

lol pwned

verbal enema
May 23, 2009

onlymarfans.com

wow when did your av change wtf

Vandar
Sep 14, 2007

Isn't That Right, Chairman?



Cleretic posted:

One of the worst game guides in history was the Prima guide for Mortal Kombat 9, which actually realized that it was probably not going to have accurate information in the future, especially for a game that was going to have a lot of patches and new content.

...so they just didn't include any move data. Not even stuff like damage numbers that could be subject to change, they didn't include stuff like frame data or combos that aren't likely to change, are actually super important for the playerbase to have access to, and are in fact the main reason fighting game guides sold.

Without all that, all the guide really ended up being was a history of Mortal Kombat's competitive scene, and a bunch of takes on character viability from a team of decidedly non-competitive players after a couple days of playing each other. Basically none of their reads on character viability held up.

Still not as bad as the official guide for Final Fantasy IX, where every other paragraph told you to go to the PlayOnline website to find the information you wanted!

https://kotaku.com/the-worst-strategy-guide-ever-made-1702827492

Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT

verbal enema posted:

wow when did your av change wtf

I told an internet forum that my mom called me a dildo in place of being called a dumbass.

Yeah I make good decisions.

Captain Hygiene
Sep 17, 2007

You mess with the crabbo...



Wasabi the J posted:

I told an internet forum that my mom called me a dildo in place of being called a dumbass.

Yeah I make good decisions.

You can thank her for bringing joy and laughter into my life, albeit in a roundabout way

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John Murdoch
May 19, 2009

I can tune a fish.

ilmucche posted:

gamefaqs was great. most of the fandom wikis are trash

GameFAQs? I'm playing an obscure adventure game. The only resource is a German guy trying his best, but he doesn't know his right from his left and is colorblind. And his web host only allows three images per page. The game has just sprung a sliding tile puzzle on me, proving I am in hell.

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