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Zil posted:Dumb thought, but what happens if Jones wins the lottery tonight? Would the families get any of it or would that turn into its own lawsuit? They get it. Basically, Alex Jones currently owes them 965 million dollars, so whatever he gets will go to them Piell fucked around with this message at 21:19 on Nov 5, 2022 |
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Won't the 50 million dollar lawsuit lead to actual enforceable demands for money before the big one does?
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Nov 5, 2022 21:20
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It's up to bankruptcy courts to evaluate all his debts and divvy up to his claimants at this point, so everything will basically have to wait for the appeals to clear up to establish his final liability.
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Nov 5, 2022 21:26
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Glory to Italia!
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Pirate Radar posted:I’m not a lawyer so this is all non-legal and so on, but my understanding is: a judgment like this incentivizes him to shut the gently caress up, but it can’t actually make him shut the gently caress up unless he ends up in contempt of court and gets thrown in jail—which is possible! That could still happen! But the judgement doesn’t somehow force him to shut his yap.
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Nov 5, 2022 21:34
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JediTalentAgent posted:Alex if you're reading this: I work for the home office and you were sent an email where you were the winner of the UK National Lottery. You only have another 24 hours to respond to the email to claim your prize. If you don't the funds from the account will be redistributed to supporting the National Health Services. Please, Mr. JONES , you have only 24 hours left to respond to claim you winnings. He's told stories about multiple "friends" falling for the Nigerian Prince scam so this might be a good play.
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Nov 5, 2022 21:45
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Outrail posted:I makes no sense but I can see Alex managing to withdraw a few million from an account he shouldn't be able to, getting one of his buddies to fly him out of the country. He then leans hard into crypto payments from his new Panama HQ or some stupid poo poo Remember, the only reason Jones does this poo poo is to make millions selling boner pills. If he gets away with some cash in another country then whatever, any of his assets in the USA will be sold off and distributed. And he won’t be able to sell poo poo to anything but a few countries because everywhere else has treaties with the US to seize assets or profits. Alex may start up an infowars Russia or something but it’ll stop being interesting to him real fast when he realizes he can’t make money doing it anymore. Plus, there’s no way Alex doesn’t piss off someone where he ultimately lands and ends up like John McAffee. For all his complaining about state interference in the US, if he runs, he’ll get a real lesson.
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Nov 5, 2022 23:12
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A billion in potential fines is nice and all, but it means nothing until it actually impacts Jones in some way and actually changes something in his life. Until something actually changes it's all bluster and bullshit, another talking point to yell and scream about. What happens if one of the immorally wealthy assholes on the planet just hands him a pile of money and basically pays his fine for him? Once you're at that level fines aren't a punishment they're a line-item. There's people out there that wouldn't even notice paying a mere $965 million. Get the right brain worms in some of them and the desire to stick it to Jones' enemies and the money can be found easily. Peter Thiel did exactly this because he had an axe to grind, it's not some completely left field fever dream from the ether so don't immediately dismiss it.
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Nov 5, 2022 23:49
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bird food bathtub posted:A billion in potential fines is nice and all, but it means nothing until it actually impacts Jones in some way and actually changes something in his life. Until something actually changes it's all bluster and bullshit, another talking point to yell and scream about. He's literally not in control of his own company any more bird food bathtub posted:What happens if one of the immorally wealthy assholes on the planet just hands him a pile of money and basically pays his fine for him? Once you're at that level fines aren't a punishment they're a line-item. There's people out there that wouldn't even notice paying a mere $965 million. Get the right brain worms in some of them and the desire to stick it to Jones' enemies and the money can be found easily. Peter Thiel did exactly this because he had an axe to grind, it's not some completely left field fever dream from the ether so don't immediately dismiss it. I am going to though. 1 billion dollars is an enormous amount of money, no one is going to throw that at alex for a lark.
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Xakura posted:He's literally not in control of his own company any more Elon Musk just threw 44 times that into a raging dumpster fire so he could poo poo post to soothe his ego. It's not impossible.
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Especially when, due to this being Alex Jones, if his fine was suddenly paid off he could just as easily be back in this same hole a few years from now. Dude cannot shut the gently caress up.
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Nov 6, 2022 00:17
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bird food bathtub posted:A billion in potential fines is nice and all, but it means nothing until it actually impacts Jones in some way and actually changes something in his life. Until something actually changes it's all bluster and bullshit, another talking point to yell and scream about. He's a beet red drunk whose heart is going to explode within 5 years, so he's just not a good investment. If a sociopathic billionaire wanted to use him to keep speeding divisiveness at this point they'd be better off assassinating him. Much cheaper than bailing him out. Then he dies a martyr and can keep doing his work for decades without no worry of him turning into a sloppy drunk and going off script.
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bird food bathtub posted:Elon Musk just threw 44 times that into a raging dumpster fire so he could poo poo post to soothe his ego. It's not impossible. Yeah, but that was for HIM. No one is going to cough up that kind of cash to an idiot like AJ. It doesn't feed anyone's ego to do so.
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Iron Chef Ramen posted:Especially when, due to this being Alex Jones, if his fine was suddenly paid off he could just as easily be back in this same hole a few years from now. Dude cannot shut the gently caress up. This does actually have a ring of truth to it so I can see that as a valid counter thought that I'll add in and mull over a while.
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To be fair Elon really didn't want to spend that much on Twitter and tried very hard to not have to do it. He's an idiot that make a meme purchase offer for a joke and then twitter accepted it and he realized that it was legally binding.
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bird food bathtub posted:Elon Musk just threw 44 times that into a raging dumpster fire so he could poo poo post to soothe his ego. It's not impossible. Musk is an idiot who bought Twitter to assuage his ego and because he was on a coke/meth bender. He has no one to advise him to not do things, and now he's melting down in real time as Twitter burns down around him. Peter Thiel is evil, but he's not stupid. He has nothing to gain from backing Alex Jones, even anonymously, and a billion dollars is still a lot of money to a billionaire. There's literally no reason for anyone to pay for Jones's verdict This is just more doom posting for no reason. Maybe we can't make Jones shut up, but he's going to suffer terribly
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Musk also desperately regrets his actions and is now doing everything possible to claw his money back in the dumbest way possible so that is a poor example. Take the W. Making yourself miserable for no point is just pure masterbation
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The idea that anyone who has enough money to bail out Alex Johnson gives the slightest poo poo about a single other person on the planet is laughable. A billion dollars is a comical amount of wealth, enough to drop that into a black hole with no returns is obscene compared to that, and anyone possessing that kind of money is completely without empathy by virtue of having accrued that value in the first place.
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CharlestheHammer posted:Musk also desperately regrets his actions and is now doing everything possible to claw his money back in the dumbest way possible so that is a poor example. That's a good point, Musk went to court to get out of the Twitter deal after his drug binge ended It can't be said enough: Alex Jones is not a member of the elite, or useful to the elite. No one with money or power is going to stick their necks out to help him. Not anymore
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Nov 6, 2022 00:41
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There's no one on Earth who likes Alex Jones enough to give him a literal billion dollars. Lol.
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I think the doubters are failing to appreciate that a billion is a thousand times the size of a million. Those extra zeros aren’t decorative.
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Xiahou Dun posted:I think the doubters are failing to appreciate that a billion is a thousand times the size of a million. Those extra zeros aren’t decorative. It's meaningless after the first six zeros
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Xiahou Dun posted:I think the doubters are failing to appreciate that a billion is a thousand times the size of a million. Those extra zeros aren’t decorative. The human brain just isn't equipped to deal with really big numbers.
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Grand Fromage posted:There's no one on Earth who likes Alex Jones enough to give him a literal billion dollars. Lol. And now, Twitter welcomes our new content moderator...
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Xiahou Dun posted:I think the doubters are failing to appreciate that a billion is a thousand times the size of a million. Those extra zeros aren’t decorative. Just for perspective: Peter Thiel's estimated worth is about $4.3 billion. He's not going to pay a quarter of his worth to save Alex Jones
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Outrail posted:It's meaningless after the first six zeros No. In no sense is that true.
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kw0134 posted:As part of any lawsuit there are demands for "all other remedies deemed equitable by the court," which is a fancy way of saying that the court can impose other sanctions on top of the monetary awards. Like an order restraining him from further defamatory statements. To avoid first amendment prior restraint issues it can't be about anything with respect to Sandy Hook but it should be reasonable to enjoin him from saying the shootings were a hoax, the parents are faking it, to not encourage his listeners to dig up the victims' graves, etc. That sort of thing can be enforced civilly under the penalty of contempt, which does include jail time. Has he been so enjoined here, or do we not know yet?
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It'd be part of the final judgment that includes all the possible remedies that the plaintiffs ask for and the court deems appropriate. But that's literally the last step in the case before anything can be enforced, though certainly the fact Jones can't stop talking is gonna be obvious evidence weighing in favor of granting such injunctive relief.
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bird food bathtub posted:What happens if one of the immorally wealthy assholes on the planet just hands him a pile of money and basically pays his fine for him? Paying one billion to the libs, to own the libs.  In this scenario? The plaintiffs get a loving billion dollars. How is that an Alex Jones win? One motherfucking billion would get transferred from *Since Poe's law is a thing: this is what chuds genuinely believe. I do NOT share those beliefs.
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The punitive damages hearing is live! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ck5PaVQZpg
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LASER BEAM DREAM posted:The punitive damages hearing is live! Thanks for this!
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bird food bathtub posted:A billion in potential fines is nice and all, but it means nothing until it actually impacts Jones in some way and actually changes something in his life. Until something actually changes it's all bluster and bullshit, another talking point to yell and scream about. The number of people who can spare a billion dollars like it's nothing is extremely small, and there's no reason for any of them to care that much about Alex Jones. They can fund hundreds of conspiracy theorist shock jocks with that amount, Jones isn't so special as to be irreplaceable.
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Main Paineframe posted:The number of people who can spare a billion dollars like it's nothing is extremely small, and there's no reason for any of them to care that much about Alex Jones. They can fund hundreds of conspiracy theorist shock jocks with that amount, Jones isn't so special as to be irreplaceable. Also anyone who can pick up his audience has a ready-made pack of rubes willing to shill out for boner powder and brain pills.
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Main Paineframe posted:The number of people who can spare a billion dollars like it's nothing is extremely small, and there's no reason for any of them to care that much about Alex Jones. They can fund hundreds of conspiracy theorist shock jocks with that amount, Jones isn't so special as to be irreplaceable. Because of people still not understanding this and last night's Knowledge Fight, I have a nice example to give of just how big Jones' damages are currently : You know Picasso? The famous painter, created a whole artistic movement? Famous enough that small children get jokes about his paintings looking funny? It's hard to say how much his paintings are really worth because after a certain point they aren't sold anymore, but I googled up some people who estimate his cumulative monetary worth (i.e. total value of all paintings, combined) would be about 3-400 million. So as of right now before the punitive damages possibly multiply this number, Jones owes 2 and a half Picassos. Not 2 and half paintings by Picasso. 2 and a half lifetimes of an artist of Picasso's caliber.
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*Clears throat* '2 and a half lifetime Picasso's, so far'
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Star of Slander, Star of the Right, Star with Fat face, red and bright. No proceedings, Currently Streaming, Guess I’ll check out the rest of the site
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Yes maybe I should have underlined 2.5 Picassos and counting
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Tweet thread of the hearing for those who don't want to watch the full thing https://twitter.com/MoString/status/1589658578461548546
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Xiahou Dun posted:Because of people still not understanding this and last night's Knowledge Fight, I have a nice example to give of just how big Jones' damages are currently : Americans will do literally anything not to use the metric system. Alex jones owes a metric fuckton of money and he is hosed. It will be a slow death of a thousand bureaucratic papercuts as his assets are taken from him, and likely the plaintiffs will argue that he has further defamed them and will continue to further defame them and he must be barred from broadcasting, and that may take another 2-3 years but will probably occur.
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Piell posted:Tweet thread of the hearing for those who don't want to watch the full thing God drat do I hate Norm
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Twibbit posted:God drat do I hate Norm Judging by his path in life, chances are, so does God!
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