Willo567 posted:

https://twitter.com/John_Hudson/status/1589023548999225349

quote:

Natalia Chorna had warned her more outspoken twin sister to be careful after Russian forces occupied their home town of Skadovsk near Kherson, southern Ukraine, in February. But Tetyana Mudryenko found it hard to keep her anger about the war to herself.

Last month, Mudryenko paid the ultimate penalty for proclaiming Skadovsk Ukrainian territory. According to several witnesses, she was dragged into the street by the self-appointed pro-Moscow authorities and hanged in a public execution.

“In occupied Skadovsk, you can’t have your own opinion,” said Chorna, 56.

cinci zoo sniper posted:

The lede:

https://twitter.com/John_Hudson/status/1589024287721402368

Edit:

Speaking of recent news, I'll get around another summary soon, just getting slammed by this week every day in and out basically. In the meantime, here's a morbid report about the occupation regime in Kherson: https://www.ft.com/content/99349f01-c587-4ab4-86df-85ff3c0fcd3b

FishBulbia posted:

The war aim has always been restoring territorial integrity, the removal of Putin/Balkanization of Russia stuff was clearly just for propaganda value, but isn't useful international signaling.

Defenestrategy posted:

I'd assune the war aims include ensuring future territorial soverignity. In which case putins continued hand on the wheel is a non starter no?

TheRat posted:

The chances of Putin pulling out and agreeing to American bases on his border are less than zero.

Charlz Guybon posted:

Ukraine reporting huge numbers of Russian casualties in recent days. Are the conscripts finally reaching the front in numbers?

https://news.yahoo.com/ukrainian-armed-forces-kill-over-071828396.html

quote:

the unit was supposed to stay 15 kilometers away from the front line but was deployed there without equipment on the night of Nov. 2. When Russian positions were shelled by Ukrainian artillery, Russian commanders fled from the position.

Scratch Monkey posted:

fatherboxx posted:

Yes, there was a report from Russian independent outlet yesterday that there was a massive strike on Makiivka.

https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1588998226652581888?t=KdV4hmdD-EBZs0ZzLuOLHA&s=19

fatherboxx posted:

Yes, there was a report from Russian independent outlet yesterday that there was a massive strike on Makiivka.

https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1588998226652581888?t=KdV4hmdD-EBZs0ZzLuOLHA&s=19

cinci zoo sniper posted:

The differences are not major, they just occasionally have out-of-place lingo, like if you'd imagine someone replying to a street dealer pronouncing weed price with “copy that”.

Edit: Maybe to slightly clarify what I mean, the interviews that have sounded off to me normally either have entirely unnecessary, contextually, political tangents, or overly specific jargon when talking about Ukrainians/NATO/the baddies.

Flyinglemur posted:

Could also be a case of military people using military terms to civilians? I know I've done it and seen many other people do it too. Especially junior/new folks.

This is my first post in D&D and I hope it's not breaking the rules to post conjecture like this.

Saladman posted:

So what happened with the Russian "withdrawal" from Kherson? It’s been several days and it’s a huge city so there’s no way opsec can keep reliable news from leaking out. I guess Russian military forces have been reduced in the city, but that there was no complete withdrawal, and Ukraine doesn’t want to attack even a lightly-defended city since it would mean it gets smashed to rubble?

Seems kind of smart for Russia, they can probably hold Kherson with a fairly limited deployment if they don’t tbh think the Ukrainian military will engage in offensive city combat.

Saladman posted:

So what happened with the Russian "withdrawal" from Kherson? It’s been several days and it’s a huge city so there’s no way opsec can keep reliable news from leaking out. I guess Russian military forces have been reduced in the city, but that there was no complete withdrawal, and Ukraine doesn’t want to attack even a lightly-defended city since it would mean it gets smashed to rubble?

Seems kind of smart for Russia, they can probably hold Kherson with a fairly limited deployment if they don’t tbh think the Ukrainian military will engage in offensive city combat.

quote:

Russian occupation officials continue to drive the “evacuation” and forced relocation of residents of Kherson Oblast. Head of the Ukrainian “Kherson Hub” headquarters Roman Golovnya stated on November 5 that since the beginning of the war, over 80% of Kherson City’s residents have left the city. Russian sources continue to perpetuate information operations regarding Ukrainian strikes on civilian infrastructure in Kherson Oblast to continue to manipulate evacuation efforts. Russian officials also continue efforts to deport Ukrainian children under the guise of ”vacation” schemes, and Russian media reported that children from Kakhovka, Kherson Oblast, are remaining at vacation camps in Yevpatoria, Russian-occupied Crimea.

Rigel posted:

Yeah, its hard to know whats going on, but Ukraine is highly suspicious that Russia tried to set up some kind of trap by pulling out civilians and hiding a large number of forces inside homes, and they aren't going to just enthusiastically rush into that trap.

cinci zoo sniper posted:

That’s not quite what I was trying suggest - I just wanted to illustrate the mood of how obvious these things can get. Imagine, idk, some American calling home during Desert Storm and randomly mentioning that he got his rear end handed to him by the 69th company of 420th separate platoon of Al-Qaeda mountain infantry of bin Laden’s Order - it’s a very clearly an out-of-place, unnecessarily specific detail that is not unquestionably known to some rank and file machinist, which wouldn’t be conveyed as formally to a call to their mum even if it was known.

Flyinglemur posted:

I got you. The previous example wasn't that specific and like I said I know it's easy to just get stuck in the jargon in casual conversations.

Somaen posted:

There has been less scaremongering regarding nuclear weapons use, could it be that Scholz and Xi made a deal where they made the chimp with a grenade shut the gently caress up about Armageddon?

https://mobile.twitter.com/bopanc/status/1588597226015756291

Paladinus posted:

Russian Z-channels confirm the attack, but insist it's Ukrainians who suffered heavy losses. It feels like, at least with the telegram channels I check on from time to time, the more vocal critics of Putin's mobilisation among the pro-war crowd got reigned in a bit, and reporting on problems has subsided, as instead they focus on how Ukrainians are about to flood Kherson.

Saladman posted:

So what happened with the Russian "withdrawal" from Kherson? It’s been several days and it’s a huge city so there’s no way opsec can keep reliable news from leaking out. I guess Russian military forces have been reduced in the city, but that there was no complete withdrawal, and Ukraine doesn’t want to attack even a lightly-defended city since it would mean it gets smashed to rubble?

mrfart posted:

I saw on Al Jazeera that there was an explosion at the Kakhovka hydroelectric dam, but now it seems it’s just 3 explosions on the power lines near it, leaving Kherson without power. the Russians of course blame Ukraine. I’m really hoping they’re not gonna blow the dam, but with their evacuation of the city, and now the ‘Ukrainian sabotage’, it really feels like they might be willing to take everything to yet another level. Apparently they already prepared 3 lines of trenches on the east bank and will probably reorganize there during winter?

Der Kyhe posted:

If the Russians are about to blow the dam, isn't it compromising mostly their own positions at the South side of the river and making the organized retreat even more difficult than it already is? Kherson, and the rest of the West/North bank sits on the higher ground. Not to mention the fact that it compromises their water supply to Crimea.

Ynglaur posted:

Was the Russian 155th Marine (Naval Infantry?) Brigade one of those involved in the conquest of Mariupol?

quote:

But Western officials also believe that Turkey’s cold feet are due as much to Russian economic influence as any purported concern over Kurdish separatists. Since the start of the war—and a wave of Western sanctions on Moscow—Turkey has often acted as an economic lifeline for Russia, increasing its purchases of Russian crude oil, pushing for more (and discounted) Russian gas, and moving forward multibillion-dollar plans for a Russian-made nuclear power plant.

Turkey has also been one of the biggest exporters to Russia since the start of the war while also receiving a massive influx of unexplained money from abroad that is underwriting an otherwise deeply unbalanced Turkish economy. Western officials suspect Russian money is in part keeping Erdogan’s Turkey afloat.

Saladman posted:

So what happened with the Russian "withdrawal" from Kherson? It’s been several days and it’s a huge city so there’s no way opsec can keep reliable news from leaking out. I guess Russian military forces have been reduced in the city, but that there was no complete withdrawal, and Ukraine doesn’t want to attack even a lightly-defended city since it would mean it gets smashed to rubble?

Seems kind of smart for Russia, they can probably hold Kherson with a fairly limited deployment if they don’t tbh think the Ukrainian military will engage in offensive city combat.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

A security guarantee does not require forward bases in Ukraine.

Edit plus there are of course forward US bases bordering Russia in Poland and the Baltics; it’s not exactly a new security threat.

jaete posted:

In NATO news, Turkey continues to block Finland and Sweden from NATO membership. Main NATO dude Stoltenberg has seemed less patient lately. Article in Foreign Policy

(There's a link to Financial Times article on Turkey-Russia economics recently but that's paywalled for me)

Finnish news Yle writes (in Finnish) that Turkey is still asking Finland and especially Sweden to hand over some "terrorists". It's possible that Erdogan genuinely believes that our governments work in the same way as his, i.e. that the government can just decide to ignore laws and human rights treaties and decide to send people over. Of course it's actually the courts that decide things like this and they will follow the law.

One Finnish tabloid has just published, with interesting timing, an interesting article (in Finnish) about the last time Finland decided to expel some people to a non-nice country. Namely, during the second world war some Jewish refugees were given over to Nazi Germany, when it was obvious to everyone that they would die horribly there. Eventually this stopped, but several such transportations occurred (dozens of Jewish people) before it became public after which the government was pressured enough to stop it. Wikipedia doesn't seem to have much info on this except in Finnish.