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Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:I'm honestly kinda pissed they didn't do that sorry about the immortal wizard who cursed that dude's bloodline to all die at 30? or something like that. Blue Oyster Cult's latest album had a song (and music video) based on that story, and it absolutely slaps. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4TFfTSUbto
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lord funk posted:I think one of the worst offenders of this is Minority Report. The whole point from the story is that the pre-cognition system works, and in order to prevent it from being shut down, our hero chooses to fulfill the prophecy and commit the murder but that is all stripped away for *insert generic conspiracy here*. Hell, I only watched the movie and I thought it was wild that they shut down the whole program, given the number of lives it saved. It needed an overhaul, especially when it came to punishments (locked up for life, rather than rehabilitation, is p. dumb). Offer, like, a life to the precogs and a choice while researching getting more, etc. I mean what they didn't show after the movie ended is the murder rate absolutely fuckin' skyrocketing.
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If you are going to overuse flashbacks to; handhold the audience through your story and/or pad your runtime. You must use different footage if you are a movie. I will accept reusing footage for flashbacks in tv shows, if you are a real movie then try harder.
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HAmbONE posted:If you are going to overuse flashbacks to; handhold the audience through your story and/or pad your runtime. You must use different footage if you are a movie. I will accept reusing footage for flashbacks in tv shows, if you are a real movie then try harder. even on tv, do not use the exact same footage within an hour of the last time we saw it
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FreudianSlippers posted:Is Dreams in the Witchhouse even considered top 15 Lovecraft? 
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HAmbONE posted:If you are going to overuse flashbacks to; handhold the audience through your story and/or pad your runtime. You must use different footage if you are a movie. I will accept reusing footage for flashbacks in tv shows, if you are a real movie then try harder. The worst is when the characters are viewing security/phone footage and it's just shots from the movie
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Nov 7, 2022 17:58
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Manager Hoyden posted:The worst is when the characters are viewing security/phone footage and it's just shots from the movie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRGCZh5A8T4
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Manager Hoyden posted:The worst is when the characters are viewing security/phone footage and it's just shots from the movie Yup. Recently got this rewatching The Expanse in a couple of places. Alex the pilot simulating a fight and it’s the same footage from the last episode. The view is from space, where there are no drones or cameras; this is what the audience sees. Alex has turned on 3rd person view and scrolled the camera way back. I still love The Expanse. The Watchmen movie breaks my heart with it’s loving terrible flashbacks. Am I wrong? Have the majority of viewers gotten so loving stupid they couldn’t piece together well placed hints from 15-45mins ago?
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Morpheus posted:Hell, I only watched the movie and I thought it was wild that they shut down the whole program, given the number of lives it saved. It needed an overhaul, especially when it came to punishments (locked up for life, rather than rehabilitation, is p. dumb). Offer, like, a life to the precogs and a choice while researching getting more, etc. Yeah, they were originally going to have a little caption at the end mentioning “the next year there were (X number) of murders in Washington DC”, I’m kinda annoyed they chickened out of that. I still can’t fault dumping the drat program though, it was demonstrated how anybody with enough access (meaning: government) could abuse it to get away with murder and it depended on stealing kids away from their parents (as opposed to the original story’s engineered brain dead precogs) and keeping them in a coma watching murders all day. Add in Cruise’s character straight up showing the predictions can be defied and you just don’t have enough reason to keep the program.
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Nov 7, 2022 19:01
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Morpheus posted:Hell, I only watched the movie and I thought it was wild that they shut down the whole program, given the number of lives it saved. The whole point is that you can't say it saved *any* lives, because the precogs are only showing you a *possible* future. You might be saving many lives, you might be throwing many people who wouldn't have done anything in prison.
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MadDogMike posted:Yeah, they were originally going to have a little caption at the end mentioning “the next year there were (X number) of murders in Washington DC”, I’m kinda annoyed they chickened out of that. I still can’t fault dumping the drat program though, it was demonstrated how anybody with enough access (meaning: government) could abuse it to get away with murder and it depended on stealing kids away from their parents (as opposed to the original story’s engineered brain dead precogs) and keeping them in a coma watching murders all day. Add in Cruise’s character straight up showing the predictions can be defied and you just don’t have enough reason to keep the program. Sure, predictions can be defied given foreknowledge, but then that's true in real life - if you know someone is going to murder someone, and you tell them "hey don't murder that person or we will arrest you", chances are they are not going to do the murder. What they needed to do is simply use the premonitions like any other sort of evidence in a trial for intent to murder. Emphasize rehabilitation rather than full-on life in prison as well. And yeah, the system can be abused, but so can the regular legal system, and this one is a whole lot tougher to do. Just needed reforms, not complete cancellation. Because I bet you that, were it not for this system, the bad guy would've had a whole lot of an easier time to get away with murder. Phanatic posted:The whole point is that you can't say it saved *any* lives, because the precogs are only showing you a *possible* future. You might be saving many lives, you might be throwing many people who wouldn't have done anything in prison. Eh, ask those people in the intro that were going to get murdered by the jilted husband if they think their lives were saved or not.
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HAmbONE posted:Yup. Recently got this rewatching The Expanse in a couple of places. Alex the pilot simulating a fight and it’s the same footage from the last episode. The view is from space, where there are no drones or cameras; this is what the audience sees. Alex has turned on 3rd person view and scrolled the camera way back. You gotta remember that Zack Snyder was absurdly slavish to recreate the 12-issue series in one feature-length movie, so story hints & flashbacks seem hackneyed on film but hits different if you're trying to remember a hint from an issue that was from 3+ months ago.
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lord funk posted:I think one of the worst offenders of this is Minority Report. The whole point from the story is that the pre-cognition system works, and in order to prevent it from being shut down, our hero chooses to fulfill the prophecy and commit the murder but that is all stripped away for *insert generic conspiracy here*. The whole setup of the short story is so much cooler than the movie, involving self-reference paradoxes created by each pre-cog being able to predict the protagonists response to the predictions of the other pre-cogs. The movie doesn't even include the titular Minority Report, for god's sake! Short story spoilers: So, there is this evil general who wants to shut down pre-crime, even though the system is cool and good and totally works. The first pre-cog predicts that the protagonist will learn about this plot and kill the general to save the program. The second pre-cog predicts that the protagonist, being the chief of pre-crime, will learn that he is being accused of pre-murder and go on the run to clear his name, preventing the murder from happening. The third pre-cog predicts that the protagonist will eventually return to pre-crime HQ, read the detailed reports of pre-cog one and two and realize that killing the general and fulfilling the prophecy is the only way to save the program. Since 2/3 pre-cogs agree that the guy will be murdered, the system outputs a murder prediction with a minority report from pre-cog two, denying that the murder will happen. It is the existence of this minority report which motivates the protagonist to return to pre-crime to learn what went wrong. If pre-cog three hadn't correctly predicted that he would choose to through with the murder, he would never have been accused of murder in the first place, and none of this would have happened!
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lord funk posted:I think one of the worst offenders of this is Minority Report. The whole point from the story is that the pre-cognition system works, and in order to prevent it from being shut down, our hero chooses to fulfill the prophecy and commit the murder but that is all stripped away for *insert generic conspiracy here*.
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Morpheus posted:Eh, ask those people in the intro that were going to get murdered by the jilted husband if they think their lives were saved or not. Again: the precogs are fallible and interpretation of their projections is likewise fallible and subjective. You have literally no way of knowing if their lives are saved are not. This is the reason the program fails.
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Phanatic posted:Again: the precogs are fallible and interpretation of their projections is likewise fallible and subjective. You have literally no way of knowing if their lives are saved are not. This is the reason the program fails. This is all preventative law enforcement though. I mean, yes, a man who has explosive material in his van and a book on making bombs and a racist manifesto and plans to the nearest shopping center at its busiest hour hasn't done anything yet, and maybe he never will, but maybe something should be done (this is an extreme example, of course). Morpheus has a new favorite as of 20:14 on Nov 7, 2022 |
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SimonChris posted:The whole setup of the short story is so much cooler than the movie, involving self-reference paradoxes created by each pre-cog being able to predict the protagonists response to the predictions of the other pre-cogs. The movie doesn't even include the titular Minority Report, for god's sake! I literally have not seen this movie since its theatrical run but I am 99% sure there is a Minority Report in the film, with a different colored magic ball and everything.
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Rockman Reserve posted:I literally have not seen this movie since its theatrical run but I am 99% sure there is a Minority Report in the film, with a different colored magic ball and everything. Yeah. From wikipedia: "Anderton visits Precrime founder Dr. Iris Hineman at her home and learns that one Precog occasionally sees a different future vision from the others, known as a "minority report". These discrepancies are reviewed and purged from the official record, as group precognition agreement is the foundation of the Precrime bylaws."
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Breetai posted:See also the Phillip K Dick anthology series Electric Dreams where each episode was an adaptation of one of his short stories, and by adaptation I mean anything from "we needlessly and senselessly changed the ending to make it worse" to "we kept the title". This was the saddest thing: great actors, great source material, and it all turned out worse than the 90's Outer Limits
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Rockman Reserve posted:I literally have not seen this movie since its theatrical run but I am 99% sure there is a Minority Report in the film, with a different colored magic ball and everything. Morpheus posted:Yeah. From wikipedia: "Anderton visits Precrime founder Dr. Iris Hineman at her home and learns that one Precog occasionally sees a different future vision from the others, known as a "minority report". These discrepancies are reviewed and purged from the official record, as group precognition agreement is the foundation of the Precrime bylaws." They mention the concept of a minority report, but it eventually turns out that there never was one in this particular case, and Anderton just breaks the prophecy through free will or whatever. Thus, removing the most interesting part of the short story.
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Rockman Reserve posted:I literally have not seen this movie since its theatrical run but I am 99% sure there is a Minority Report in the film, with a different colored magic ball and everything.
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SimonChris posted:They mention the concept of a minority report, but it eventually turns out that there never was one in this particular case, and Anderton just breaks the prophecy through free will or whatever. Thus, removing the most interesting part of the short story. Wasn't there a minority report in the film, where it was that the murder happened at a different time of day (something about tides I think?)
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Randalor posted:Wasn't there a minority report in the film, where it was that the murder happened at a different time of day (something about tides I think?) No, that's part of the bad guy's plan to kill someone under the system to make it look like a repeat vision.
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Pilchenstein posted:The different coloured ball is because the murder at the start wasn't premeditated iirc, it was just some guy coming home to find he'd been cucked like in that M&M ad I don't recall that M&M ad.
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Pilchenstein posted:The different coloured ball is because the murder at the start wasn't premeditated iirc, it was just some guy coming home to find he'd been cucked like in that M&M ad See the dumb thing is that Anderton's murder of Crow wasn't pre-meditated - he went out with the plan to find this guy to get answers. It was only when he found the 'orgy of evidence' that, according to the vision, he shot Crow. So the ball should've been a crime of passion.
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HAmbONE posted:Am I wrong? Have the majority of viewers gotten so loving stupid they couldn’t piece together well placed hints from 15-45mins ago? Have you been to TVIV or CineD lately?
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Morpheus posted:This is all preventative law enforcement though. I mean, yes, a man who has explosive material in his van and a book on making bombs and a racist manifesto and plans to the nearest shopping center at its busiest hour hasn't done anything yet, and maybe he never will, but maybe something should be done (this is an extreme example, of course). For example, one of the things you could do about this situation is to arrest him for the crimes he has actually committed in getting to that point.
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rydiafan posted:I don't recall that M&M ad. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srWqOGTYMk8
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Len posted:Have you been to TVIV or CineD lately? No I don’t go there, I like movies and TV but I haven’t had cable tv in 15+ years and I don’t keep track of what’s coming out. The last movie I was actually interested in was DUNC. I love sci fi and British panel shows
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Morpheus posted:Sure, predictions can be defied given foreknowledge, but then that's true in real life - if you know someone is going to murder someone, and you tell them "hey don't murder that person or we will arrest you", chances are they are not going to do the murder. I mean yeah if it was a different movie things would have different
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Improbable Lobster posted:I mean yeah if it was a different movie things would have different Exactly. Just give me a two-hour film about the reform movement in regards to precrime and its flaws as exposed by Mr Anderton, that's what I'm talking about! Edit: As an extended post-credits scene to Minority Report.
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With regards to the whole Minority Report (movie) chat, isn't it heavily implied that Anderton merely dreams the whole happy ending of the movie while in the stasis pod thing? Edited for spoilers. Troutpack has a new favorite as of 11:52 on Nov 8, 2022 |
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Rewatching The Dark Knight and there are some hilarious story beats and editing goofs in this thing. The funniest was when the Joker goes to Two Face in the hospital in a very obviously fake nurse costume, chest hair sticking out of the blouse, his face in full makeup and everything but with a tiny paper surgical mask covering the very bottom of his face. Two Face behaves like this is a normal nurse coming to tend to him until the Joker removes the tiny mask (again, he has his full makeup on) and only then does the guy recognize him and try to attack. It's a scene that wouldn't be out of place in a Naked Gun movie I still like the film but it is way, way less polished than I remembered
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Manager Hoyden posted:Rewatching The Dark Knight and there are some hilarious story beats and editing goofs in this thing. The funniest was when the Joker goes to Two Face in the hospital in a very obviously fake nurse costume, chest hair sticking out of the blouse, his face in full makeup and everything but with a tiny paper surgical mask covering the very bottom of his face. Two Face behaves like this is a normal nurse coming to tend to him until the Joker removes the tiny mask (again, he has his full makeup on) and only then does the guy recognize him and try to attack. It's a scene that wouldn't be out of place in a Naked Gun movie IIRC Joker has his back turned to Two-Face as the scene starts, plus Two-Face is mad with pain and doesn't really care about some nurse in his room. But yeah, the scene still is pretty funny. I just believe the mask was an intentional little joke on the Joker's side.
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Manager Hoyden posted:Rewatching The Dark Knight and there are some hilarious story beats and editing goofs in this thing. The funniest was when the Joker goes to Two Face in the hospital in a very obviously fake nurse costume, chest hair sticking out of the blouse, his face in full makeup and everything but with a tiny paper surgical mask covering the very bottom of his face. Two Face behaves like this is a normal nurse coming to tend to him until the Joker removes the tiny mask (again, he has his full makeup on) and only then does the guy recognize him and try to attack. It's a scene that wouldn't be out of place in a Naked Gun movie Yeah, I mean Harvey is in a really bad state, probably on a morphine drip and doesn't look like his vision would be top notch. He's also insane by this point and who knows what crazy poo poo he's seeing? Better question is how did Joker even get in there? Hospital would be crowded and I'd think that the DA would have some security or at least some handlers around.
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RCarr posted:They specifically say he’s been refusing painkillers oh Well, strike that then.
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Troutpack posted:With regards to the whole Minority Report (movie) chat, isn't it heavily implied that Anderton merely dreams the whole happy ending of the movie while in the stasis pod thing? I prefer this interpretation
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BiggerBoat posted:oh I mean if half my face had been turned into medium-rare hamburger and I wasn't on painkillers, I might not be noticing things any better than I would from within a sweet opiate haze
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