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Shwqa
Feb 13, 2012

I 100% disagree with your guy's yondu takes. I see yondu has giving your opponent a better American Chavez 7/8ths of the time.

Iceman and korg are good cards in the same energy slot that actually do disruption.

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Charity Porno
Aug 2, 2021

by Hand Knit

Shwqa posted:

I 100% disagree with your guy's yondu takes. I see yondu has giving your opponent a better American Chavez 7/8ths of the time.

Iceman and korg are good cards in the same energy slot that actually do disruption.

or again, Mantis if you really want to gently caress up their deck

Serperoth
Feb 21, 2013




Shwqa posted:

I 100% disagree with your guy's yondu takes. I see yondu has giving your opponent a better American Chavez 7/8ths of the time.

Iceman and korg are good cards in the same energy slot that actually do disruption.

Oddly enough, he seems to kill her more often than anything else :v:

The Grumbles
Jun 5, 2006

Joey Freshwater posted:

I've seen a lot of people playing Lizard lately and I don't understand why. It's not like he's powerful on his own but that debuff makes him near useless. Is there something I'm missing?

I really like Lizard because if you play him early, you can pressure your opponent into feeling like they need to drop a load of cards onto that location. A turn 2 card that makes it so you're the one setting the pace and direction of the game tends to be pretty good.

Shwqa
Feb 13, 2012

Serperoth posted:

Oddly enough, he seems to kill her more often than anything else :v:

Actually that is a how Chavez is programmed. Chavez is shuffled into the deck normally. If you were going to draw her before turn 6, then her ability activates and you draw the 2nd top card in your deck. So she just chilling at the top of your deck waiting for her moment.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

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Charity Porno posted:

or again, Mantis if you really want to gently caress up their deck

This is absurd. You need to guess the right lane before Mantis is even on par with Yondu, and you need to play the card you get before she's actually better.

Going through the list of 1-drops, Yondu is strictly better than Angel, Elektra (at least once you get Killmonger), Hawkeye, Mantis, Misty Knight (excluding Patriot decks), Quicksilver and Uatu. He's also generally better than Nightcrawler and Rocket, and conditionally better than almost else anything apart from Sunspot, Iceman and Korg.

quiggy
Aug 7, 2010

[in Russian] Oof.


Jedit posted:

strictly better than

Please learn what words mean, the only card Yondu is strictly better than is Misty Knight.

Anyway he's definitely not the strongest card but I think it's pretty ridiculous to consider him the worst. (For my money I'd give that honor to Domino, but I also haven't hit pool 3 yet)

Victor Vermis
Dec 21, 2004


WOKE UP IN THE DESERT AGAIN
When the month rolls over do quests re-fill to 6?

Scrap Dragon
Oct 6, 2013

SECRET TECHNIQUE:
DARK SHADOW
BLACK FALLEN ANGEL!


Noticed a weird bug today. The opponent's Enchantress suppressed my Sandman (with the hazard symbol and everything) but the Sandman visual effect played anyway. I have no idea if it also still limited us to one card because I open palm slammed Onslaught down and immediately hit end turn and the opponent also only played one card.

KungFu Grip
Jun 18, 2008
the cards like Wolverine and Nova that say "when destroyed" means only when they're in play and not also in your hand right?

mirror123
Jan 17, 2006
rice barrel

Scrap Dragon posted:

Noticed a weird bug today. The opponent's Enchantress suppressed my Sandman (with the hazard symbol and everything) but the Sandman visual effect played anyway. I have no idea if it also still limited us to one card because I open palm slammed Onslaught down and immediately hit end turn and the opponent also only played one card.

I've seen this as well, you can still play multiple cards it seems to just be a visual glitch.

Scrap Dragon
Oct 6, 2013

SECRET TECHNIQUE:
DARK SHADOW
BLACK FALLEN ANGEL!


KungFu Grip posted:

the cards like Wolverine and Nova that say "when destroyed" means only when they're in play and not also in your hand right?

Nova is only in play I believe, but Wolverine works out of your hand

mirror123
Jan 17, 2006
rice barrel
Also if Wolverine gets Yondu'd he does not come into play

Charity Porno
Aug 2, 2021

by Hand Knit

Jedit posted:

This is absurd. You need to guess the right lane before Mantis is even on par with Yondu, and you need to play the card you get before she's actually better.

Going through the list of 1-drops, Yondu is strictly better than Angel, Elektra (at least once you get Killmonger), Hawkeye, Mantis, Misty Knight (excluding Patriot decks), Quicksilver and Uatu. He's also generally better than Nightcrawler and Rocket, and conditionally better than almost else anything apart from Sunspot, Iceman and Korg.

Mantis doesn't fire if you pick the wrong lane. Yondu doesn't "fire" if it gets garbage, and it doesn't get you the intel advantage Mantis does.

Vulpes
Nov 13, 2002

Well, shit.

Charity Porno posted:

Mantis doesn't fire if you pick the wrong lane. Yondu doesn't "fire" if it gets garbage, and it doesn't get you the intel advantage Mantis does.

How so? They both show you one card. Mantis is only better if you actually play the card or somehow otherwise benefit from it being in your hand.

I will keep playing Yondu because a 1/12 chance of nuking your oppoonent's win condition (plus sometimes other good stuff) is pretty good for a 1-cost with a standard body.

No Wave
Sep 18, 2005

HA! HA! NICE! WHAT A TOOL!

Vulpes posted:

How so? They both show you one card. Mantis is only better if you actually play the card or somehow otherwise benefit from it being in your hand.

I will keep playing Yondu because a 1/12 chance of nuking your oppoonent's win condition (plus sometimes other good stuff) is pretty good for a 1-cost with a standard body.
But what if their win con was the 10th card in their deck and yondu let them draw it?

Opopanax
Aug 8, 2007

I HEX YE!!!


Scrap Dragon posted:

Nova is only in play I believe, but Wolverine works out of your hand

It’s destroyed if it’s been played or is still in your deck, discarded if it’s in your hand. Wolverine just happens to trigger for either

Einwand
Nov 3, 2012

You idiot.
In this world it's pet or BE pet.

Far as I can tell, Yondu will reliably get you info on the sort of deck the other person is running if you play it on 1, but milling their deck by one card is generally pretty useless unless you get lucky and hit an extremely important card and the other person will also know that card is missing and can act on that, while Mantis gets you extra options + the other person doesn't know if what you drew is a vital combo piece or not but in trade won't always fire off.
Yondu doesn't seem super great but it's a passable filler if you care about having chaff on the field for other purposes, on the other hand apparently Yondu's destroy works for Death so I guess if you have the full pool 3 destroy deck going it could be worth it as filler?

Einwand fucked around with this message at 03:30 on Nov 8, 2022

studio mujahideen
May 3, 2005

you probably know your opponents deck archetype after their 2-drop anyway, so the 'intel advantage' doesn't really work for me wrt yondu. also there's zero way that he's better than nightcrawler or rocket. once hes on the board he's just a quicksilver. mill is, in every game, a classic trap. it 'feels' good but its not very useful

Charity Porno
Aug 2, 2021

by Hand Knit

Vulpes posted:

How so? They both show you one card. Mantis is only better if you actually play the card or somehow otherwise benefit from it being in your hand.

Mantis is information asymmetry. They don't get to see what card you got. You can see if their deck just fell apart without them knowing.

Opopanax
Aug 8, 2007

I HEX YE!!!


I kind of wish all the draws and discards were hidden. I don’t necessarily want the opponent to know how strong my apocalypse is

goferchan
Feb 8, 2004

It's 2006. I am taking 276 yeti furs from the goodies hoard.

Jedit posted:

This is absurd. You need to guess the right lane before Mantis is even on par with Yondu, and you need to play the card you get before she's actually better.

Even if you don't play the drawn card, it is much better when you are the only one who knows what card was removed from your opponent's deck. If Yondu only showed the person who played it which of their opponents cards it removed, that would 100% be a buff (this is how I think Yondu should be buffed, btw)

goferchan
Feb 8, 2004

It's 2006. I am taking 276 yeti furs from the goodies hoard.

studio mujahideen posted:

you probably know your opponents deck archetype after their 2-drop anyway, so the 'intel advantage' doesn't really work for me wrt yondu. also there's zero way that he's better than nightcrawler or rocket. once hes on the board he's just a quicksilver. mill is, in every game, a classic trap. it 'feels' good but its not very useful

I don't think Yondu is great and unless you're playing a deck that needs like 5 1-drops. there is probably a better card to replace him with. but I think this game is in a unique spot between the snap system, the small deck sizes, and tech cards being extremely strong, where being able to eliminate one card that your opponent will definitely not be playing has at least a little value.

Even if it's not their big win condition, SO many games come down to something like "Ok, I win this turn, unless he plays a Shang-Chi, then I'm hosed" -- good decks in this game have multiple ways to win and usually aren't dependent on drawing a specific card every time, but just being able to eliminate one option can often give you the information you need to win games. The problem is that it can also give your opponent the information they need to either retreat or just play around the missing card, which is why I think Yondu would be way more interesting if he only showed you the card that's removed.

srypher
Jun 3, 2011

Really?
I'm definitely not in love w/ card collection, and can't wait for the collector tokens. My last 5 cards in pool 2 were all pretty important pieces for decks I wanted to run or just the most powerful cards in the set (Vulture, Jubilee, Infinaut, Killmonger, and Iceman). My first card in pool 3 is...Agatha.

Scoss
Aug 17, 2015
Is there anything fun I can make with Wave or Hela as my first pool 3 cards, without needing to have a ton of additional pool 3?

rydiafan
Mar 17, 2009



New season is Black Panther. He synergizes with hand-buff. Anyone theorycraft a deck yet?

srypher
Jun 3, 2011

Really?

rydiafan posted:

New season is Black Panther. He synergizes with hand-buff. Anyone theorycraft a deck yet?

After complaining about bad unlock luck, I got brood and started running this deck https://marvelsnapzone.com/decks/handbuff-paladin/ but with Odin instead of Sera. Seems pretty fun, we'll see about consistency.

Tender Bender
Sep 17, 2004

I was looking forward to black panther month but the variants and avatars in the season pass aren't doing anything for me. Kinda a bummer.

Xtanstic
Nov 23, 2007

Scoss posted:

Is there anything fun I can make with Wave or Hela as my first pool 3 cards, without needing to have a ton of additional pool 3?

I've been trying to make discard Apocalypse work since Pool 1. Maybe Hela is what unlocks that deck?

CapnAndy
Feb 27, 2004

Some teeth long for ripping, gleaming wet from black dog gums. So you keep your eyes closed at the end. You don't want to see such a mouth up close. before the bite, before its oblivion in the goring of your soft parts, the speckled lips will curl back in a whinny of excitement. You just know it.

Jedit posted:

It's also likely that Galactus will be released as a collectible card during this season, as SD have said that the Heralds will come before he does.
Galactus is in the game, though? I've gotten him from The Hub.

Opopanax
Aug 8, 2007

I HEX YE!!!


Tender Bender posted:

I was looking forward to black panther month but the variants and avatars in the season pass aren't doing anything for me. Kinda a bummer.

I like the card back but the rest isn't super enticing. I guess BP would be good with Wong.

CapnAndy posted:

Galactus is in the game, though? I've gotten him from The Hub.

He's only available from stuff like that, not as an actual card you can keep

CapnAndy
Feb 27, 2004

Some teeth long for ripping, gleaming wet from black dog gums. So you keep your eyes closed at the end. You don't want to see such a mouth up close. before the bite, before its oblivion in the goring of your soft parts, the speckled lips will curl back in a whinny of excitement. You just know it.

Opopanax posted:

He's only available from stuff like that, not as an actual card you can keep
Oh. Well, I hope they change him before his official release, then. It's super weird that as-is, Silver Surfer does absolutely nothing to synergize with him.

mirror123
Jan 17, 2006
rice barrel

rydiafan posted:

New season is Black Panther. He synergizes with hand-buff. Anyone theorycraft a deck yet?

It's kinda cool that both Okoye and Nakia synergize with BP.

Charity Porno
Aug 2, 2021

by Hand Knit

mirror123 posted:

It's kinda cool that both Okoye and Nakia synergize with BP.

Yeah I kinda wish they'd done that with all the themes, it feels like sort of a waste of the license to just randomly have characters on cards that synergize but aren't related in the books

rydiafan
Mar 17, 2009



mirror123 posted:

It's kinda cool that both Okoye and Nakia synergize with BP.

Yeah, it's super neat that they're thematically linked.

Odin feels like a no-brainer with him as well.

goferchan
Feb 8, 2004

It's 2006. I am taking 276 yeti furs from the goodies hoard.

Charity Porno posted:

Yeah I kinda wish they'd done that with all the themes, it feels like sort of a waste of the license to just randomly have characters on cards that synergize but aren't related in the books

Guardians of the Galaxy characters definitely do, Wolverine/Sabretooth/Deadpool all work together, and Professor X/Storm/Juggernaut are sort of in a package. I saw someone on reddit theorize that Killmonger and Yondu got switched at some point and it makes sense with the Wakandan cards having a hand/deck manipulation theme.

Charity Porno
Aug 2, 2021

by Hand Knit

goferchan posted:

Guardians of the Galaxy characters definitely do, Wolverine/Sabretooth/Deadpool all work together, and Professor X/Storm/Juggernaut are sort of in a package. I saw someone on reddit theorize that Killmonger and Yondu got switched at some point and it makes sense with the Wakandan cards having a hand/deck manipulation theme.

Yeah I am mainly just being salty that the X-stuff has no synergy, as a lifelong X-fan lol

Reek
Nov 3, 2002

every.fucking.year.
I love unintentional interactions. Just had a guy play enchantress on Washington D.C. (+3 if no abilities) where I had 4 ongoing cards. It neutered them but then gave the lane +12 since they were all now powerless. They couldn't back out because they insta-snapped after they dropped it.

Mierenneuker
Apr 28, 2010


We're all going to experience changes in our life but only the best of us will qualify for front row seats.

CapnAndy posted:

Galactus is in the game, though? I've gotten him from The Hub.

You can also randomly get him from a location like X-Mansion, as shown below.



Turn 4: end turn, turn 5: end turn, turn 6: end turn.

Edit: Wait, I posted this one before. Oh well, it's still my favorite case of a round that suddenly became ridiculous.

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team overhead smash
Sep 2, 2006

Team-Forest-Tree-Dog:
Smashing your way into our hearts one skylight at a time

Charity Porno posted:

Yeah I am mainly just being salty that the X-stuff has no synergy, as a lifelong X-fan lol

X-men being a huge sprawling mess of characters is thematically on point for the franchise.

Edit: Just for clarity I mean the combined X-universe of X-Men, X-Factor, X Force, New Mutants, Hellions, X-Statix, X-Men Blue, X-men Gold, Generation X, Excalibur, Academy X, X-Corp, Marauders and all the others.

team overhead smash fucked around with this message at 10:16 on Nov 8, 2022

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