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Opopanax
Aug 8, 2007

I HEX YE!!!


Duck and Cover posted:

Emotes suck. I seem to be in the minority but just give me text chat. Ban anyone who is a bigot. Disable chat for anyone who is just an rear end in a top hat. Ohhhhh does that mean you might have to hire mods for your abusive addictive cellphone f2p game? Oh dear we wouldn't want that. Anyone who doesn't like chat can disable it can even be disabled by default if you prefer. Alternatively give me auto mute.

Matches are like five minutes and turns don't take more than a few seconds, who has time to pull up a menu and type stuff out, and the expect the other person to read it? As is is fine, though they could use some different canned responses

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goferchan
Feb 8, 2004

It's 2006. I am taking 276 yeti furs from the goodies hoard.

priznat posted:

I would like to master professor X, I always, always gently caress it up and drop it then it turns out I had misjudged the turn and they get to play their card first and I hose myself.

Been having a good run with my collector/DD/moon girl deck with cable, agent 13, sentinel etc.. just so many cards! And enchantress to lock down some pesky ongoings.

Flipping Professor X first does not prevent them from playing a card in that lane on the same turn. However it will prevent any movement or destroy effects their card might trigger within that lane, or White Tiger adding her token to the location etc

Charity Porno
Aug 2, 2021

by Hand Knit

Duck and Cover posted:

Emotes suck. I seem to be in the minority but just give me text chat. Ban anyone who is a bigot. Disable chat for anyone who is just an rear end in a top hat. Ohhhhh does that mean you might have to hire mods for your abusive addictive cellphone f2p game? Oh dear we wouldn't want that. Anyone who doesn't like chat can disable it can even be disabled by default if you prefer. Alternatively give me auto mute.

lol gently caress this, not giving annoying manchildren an outlet to verbally abuse people rules

See also: The absolute toxic pisspit that is League of Legends and how the people screamed their little heads off at the very notion their outlet for abuse would be taken away last year

Duck and Cover
Apr 6, 2007

Charity Porno posted:

lol gently caress this, not giving annoying manchildren an outlet to verbally abuse people rules

Did you miss the part where I said they should have chat revoked and it could even be something you have to enable? Please respond using only emotes.

stev
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.



What the fudging heck do you have to discuss with the enemy cardster that's so important?

Charity Porno
Aug 2, 2021

by Hand Knit

Duck and Cover posted:

Did you miss the part where I said they should have chat revoked and it could even be something you have to enable? Please respond using only emotes.

I don't care. Even having the option adds toxicity to the game. If they know they can't abuse the other person it's much more effective than letting them have the option that may or may not be received.

There;'s literally no message you need to send to an opponent that matters

stev posted:

What the fudging heck do you have to discuss with the enemy cardster that's so important?

How they should gently caress their mother and they got sooooo lucky and maybe that they should kill themselves.

FlyingCowOfDoom
Aug 1, 2003

let the beat drop
Yeah what would chat add exactly to the experience? There is literally no reason to have it for this game, that I can think of, unless you want to talk poo poo.

Mushrooman
Apr 16, 2003

Disco Dancin'
On the other hand, pointing Spider-Man is the best emote ever created for a mobile card game.

Duck and Cover
Apr 6, 2007

Charity Porno posted:

I don't care. Even having the option adds toxicity to the game. If they know they can't abuse the other person it's much more effective than letting them have the option that may or may not be received.

There;'s literally no message you need to send to an opponent that matters

How they should gently caress their mother and they got sooooo lucky and maybe that they should kill themselves.

Why are you using words when emotes are good enough? Strange it's like you want to be able to communicate clearly to the other person. What difference to you does it make if they yell into the void? They're going to just spam emotes instead and never be banned.

FlyingCowOfDoom posted:

Yeah what would chat add exactly to the experience? There is literally no reason to have it for this game, that I can think of, unless you want to talk poo poo.

Have you ever played on server for a video game that had regulars? I have. Unreal Tournament, TF2. Yes I realize most chat is toxic garbage, but here's the thing plenty isn't. You've just given up, you've let the assholes win/ People are arguing against features to spite assholes that they'd never have to even chat with. Why can't I have chat? Why can't I disable emotes?

Duck and Cover fucked around with this message at 23:50 on Nov 8, 2022

Vulpes
Nov 13, 2002

Well, shit.

Duck and Cover posted:

Why are you using words when emotes are good enough? Strange it's like you want to be able to communicate clearly to the other person. What difference to you does it make if they yell into the void? They're going to just spam emotes instead and never be banned.

Have you ever played on server for a video game that had regulars? I have. Unreal Tournament, TF2. Yes I realize most chat is toxic garbage, but here's the thing plenty isn't. You've just given up, you've let the assholes win/ People are arguing against features to spite assholes that they'd never have to even chat with.

Here's an emote for you: :goonsay:

Duck and Cover
Apr 6, 2007

Vulpes posted:

Here's an emote for you: :goonsay:

Yeah I rule I know.

Charity Porno
Aug 2, 2021

by Hand Knit

Duck and Cover posted:

Why are you using words when emotes are good enough? Strange it's like you want to be able to communicate clearly to the other person.

This is a discussion forum, dipshit. Not a video game where ideally I will interact with a person for less than 5 minutes and never see them again

You're right though, Mortal Kombat 11 not having a "disable voice chat" function was awesome, over 3 years of play I've had exactly 2 decent conversations and hundreds of people screaming racial slurs into my fuckin ears, great feature

Duck and Cover
Apr 6, 2007

Charity Porno posted:

This is a discussion forum, dipshit. Not a video game where ideally I will interact with a person for less than 5 minutes and never see them again

I'm sorry is this not a multiplayer game? You know with other humans that you may get a kick out of talking about the game your playing? No? I thought it was. I mean it would certainly help make the snap mechanic better. Better make sure not to let people do that.

Kaddish
Feb 7, 2002
This game is really addictive.

Charity Porno
Aug 2, 2021

by Hand Knit

Duck and Cover posted:

I'm sorry is this not a multiplayer game? You know with other humans that you may get a kick out of talking about the game your playing? No? I thought it was. I mean it would certainly help make the snap mechanic better. Better make sure not to let people do that.

What would you need to convey that the emotes don;t? How about a specific example?

stev
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.



Charity Porno posted:

What would you need to convey that the emotes don;t? How about a specific example?

Snap, bro.

Bro, snap.

C'mon bro. Why didn't you snap?

I'll hunt you down if you don't snap.


e: How in the hell are they supposed to fit a chat log a phone screen anyway without wrecking how the game looks?

Charity Porno
Aug 2, 2021

by Hand Knit

stev posted:

Snap, bro.

Bro, snap.

C'mon bro. Why didn't you snap?

I'll hunt you down if you don't snap.


e: How in the hell are they supposed to fit a chat log a phone screen anyway without wrecking how the game looks?

they already have a "Snap?" emote so, seems covered

Kaddish
Feb 7, 2002
I can hardly think of anything I'd want less than chat in this game. Maybe if it kicked me in the balls after every loss.

Charity Porno
Aug 2, 2021

by Hand Knit

Kaddish posted:

I can hardly think of anything I'd want less than chat in this game. Maybe if it kicked me in the balls after every loss.

if I had the choice between chat being added or ball kicking being added I'd 100 percent choose the kicks

Duck and Cover
Apr 6, 2007

Amazing. "I don't want it and so nobody could possibly want it". Okay great, I'm still not sure how opt in chat would be bad. "Hey guys our game has a cool bluffing mechanic like in poker... NO TALKING".

Charity Porno
Aug 2, 2021

by Hand Knit

Duck and Cover posted:

Amazing. "I don't want it and so nobody could possibly want it". Okay great, I'm still not sure how opt in chat would be bad. "Hey guys our game has a cool bluffing mechanic like in poker... NO TALKING".

Still waiting for an example of something you can't convey without the current suite

Attack on Princess
Dec 15, 2008

To yolo rolls! The cause and solution to all problems!

Mushrooman posted:

On the other hand, pointing Spider-Man is the best emote ever created for a mobile card game.

Yup, and it's made me realize there's two kinds of people in this world.

People who point back at your pointing Spider-man, and monsters.

Duck and Cover
Apr 6, 2007

Charity Porno posted:

Still waiting for an example of something you can't convey without the current suite

Still waiting for an example of having opt in chat being bad. Besides I already gave a reason maybe I need the spiderman emote to point it out.

Charity Porno
Aug 2, 2021

by Hand Knit

Duck and Cover posted:

Still waiting for an example of having opt in chat be bad.

I don't need to be told to kill myself because I won a game.

I also don't need a game delay because the other person is typing that I should kill myself because he thinks I may receive the message

Donnerberg posted:

Yup, and it's made me realize there's two kinds of people in this world.

People who point back at your pointing Spider-man, and monsters.


Realtalk pointing Spider-Man has built more camraderie than any chat feature could

Kaddish
Feb 7, 2002

Duck and Cover posted:

Still waiting for an example of having opt in chat being bad.

It's so bad it's self-evident op.

stev
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.



Duck and Cover posted:

Still waiting for an example of having opt in chat being bad. Besides I already gave a reason maybe I need the spiderman emote to point it out.

The game is designed around quick rounds. Chat kills the flow.

Lumbermouth
Mar 6, 2008

GREG IS BIG NOW


I am here to POOP and to PLAY CARDS, no talking needed

Doltos
Dec 28, 2005

🤌🤌🤌
Having played some obscure CCGs and TCGs with text chat on the internet you pretty much never want to talk to someone you're playing a card game with on the internet. Losing in a game of wits 1v1 is a recipe for massive flaming and anger.

Charity Porno
Aug 2, 2021

by Hand Knit

Doltos posted:

Having played some obscure CCGs and TCGs with text chat on the internet you pretty much never want to talk to someone you're playing a card game with on the internet. Losing in a game of wits 1v1 is a recipe for massive flaming and anger.

MTGO was always fun having to listen to a dissertation about how you only got lucky and you're actually so bad at the game anytime you won

cirus
Apr 5, 2011
Ego popped, I snapped, my opponent didn't :argh:

Duck and Cover
Apr 6, 2007

Charity Porno posted:

I don't need to be told to kill myself because I won a game.

I also don't need a game delay because the other person is typing that I should kill myself because he thinks I may receive the message

Realtalk pointing Spider-Man has built more camraderie than any chat feature could

1. Opt in. Why'd you opt in?
2. Lol game delay is a problem? I assume you're for a faster timer than. I am the timer is too slow and I'm not sure I like Daredevil because it slows the game down. You could have it be a system where it only works if both people opt in.
3. Nah the wow we both played the it's just pretty dumb and I can't be bothered to do it. Probably because emoting takes longer than typing would. I've got a keyboard so typing doesn't take much effort.

Anyway the bluffing part of the game would be more interesting if it had chat. "I am playing killmonger next turn" *snaps* is a lot more interesting than the board being in a state where your opponent is way ahead and they snap. Whatever I just don't like emotes, I just find them worse than chat. Like that's not saying chat is a wonderful wonderland of videogame camaraderie it's just that I find "gg" better than "thumbs up emote". It probably goes nothing > chat > emotes. If people want to chat who am I to say they can't. I'd try it, see how it is, probably not use it except some sort of private games that don't exist yet.

Now an argument I could get behind is "oh somebody who doesn't know how bad the internet is will enable chat and be abused". Nobody made that argument. They sucked in Hearthstone, they suck here. Nobody else seems to think emotes suck though so whatever.

cirus posted:

Ego popped, I snapped, my opponent didn't :argh:

This is a ban worthy offense. Only exception is they had already snapped.

Charity Porno
Aug 2, 2021

by Hand Knit
you heard it here first, tapping one emote takes longer than typing a full sentence lol.

Still waiting for a single example of a message you can't convey now

Duck and Cover
Apr 6, 2007

Charity Porno posted:

you heard it here first, tapping one emote takes longer than typing a full sentence lol.

Still waiting for a single example of a message you can't convey now

Did you try reading my post? I assure you it's in there I get it I type too much. I will repeat this though, as I want it to be clear I'm using a laptop. What that means if I have a keyboard, which is easily accessed and a touchpad which is also pretty easy but sometimes not as easy as typing lol or ha!. Now the math would probably change if I had a touchscreen but this laptop does not have that feature. I also don't really give a gently caress that we both played the same thing, it happens, although if it does happen twice in a row that's kind of neat. I've had that happen. It was neat. I don't think I emoted.

Charity Porno
Aug 2, 2021

by Hand Knit

Duck and Cover posted:

Did you try reading my post? I assure you it's in there I get it I type too much. I will repeat this though, as I want it to be clear I'm using a laptop. What that means if I have a keyboard, which is easily accessed and a touchpad which is also pretty easy but sometimes not as easy as typing lol or ha!. Now the math would probably change if I had a touchscreen but this laptop does not have that feature. I also don't really give a gently caress that we both played the same thing, it happens, although if it does happen twice in a row that's kind of neat. I've had that happen. It was neat. I don't think I emoted.

wow cool i take back everything i said they should add this feature for you specifically and your unique situation (and all the other people who will just use it to be toxic and waste other people's time)

Duck and Cover
Apr 6, 2007

Charity Porno posted:

wow cool i take back everything i said they should add this feature for you specifically and your unique situation (and all the other people who will just use it to be toxic and waste other people's time)

I think it's become clear that you aren't actually reading/comprehending my posts. I'm done talking to you. I know I know I say that and if you respond I will probably respond back because I just can't help myself but this derail has gone on too long.

Charity Porno
Aug 2, 2021

by Hand Knit

Duck and Cover posted:

I think it's become clear that you aren't actually reading/comprehending my posts. I'm done talking to you. I know I know I say that and if you respond I will probably respond back because I just can't help myself but this derail has gone on too long.

:ck5:

DLC Inc
Jun 1, 2011

this game does not need chat functionality because Snapping before the first card is even played does more psychic damage than anyone typing "u mad" ever could

The Sean
Apr 17, 2005

Am I handsome now?


Duck and Cover posted:

Emotes suck. I seem to be in the minority but just give me text chat. Ban anyone who is a bigot. Disable chat for anyone who is just an rear end in a top hat. Ohhhhh does that mean you might have to hire mods for your abusive addictive cellphone f2p game? Oh dear we wouldn't want that. Anyone who doesn't like chat can disable it can even be disabled by default if you prefer. Alternatively give me auto mute.

I have no confidence in internet moderation (including this forum whose official rules state that you can say slurs "if it's funny;" I've talked to a dozen mods and nobody will do anything).

I already reported accounts on Snap (like a dude who had the handle "VVomenbeater") and I have no idea if they were ever punished. There's no way to track it.

I've reported Discord servers with admins who allow hate speech and Discord responds "did you talk to the admin about it?"

I've reported hate speech to all of the major social media platforms and it doesn't matter.

A racist misogynist had enough money to just buy twitter and circumvent moderation.

Our only respite is just not letting people talk with specificity.

Nazis and their ilk benefit from "prove i was being abusive" and people who moderate the internet can't "prove" it so hate speech thrives. Take, for instance,the white power okay sign. "Prove that's what it means!" is a really convenient way for them to be hateful out in the open.

Anyways, I started this thread of conversation originally because I had a nice convo just through emotes with another well-adjusted person and it was nice :3

The Sean fucked around with this message at 01:09 on Nov 9, 2022

Charity Porno
Aug 2, 2021

by Hand Knit
Also typing poo poo like "I am gonna play Kilmonger! I am gonna do it!" adds a ton of time to the game when one of its biggest strengths is speed of games.

It also adds nothing that just snapping doesn't convey. If you're snapping, you are trying to either bluff or coerce them into snapping too. Inventing a specific scenario and typing it adds nothing

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DLC Inc
Jun 1, 2011

I support a specific emote just to display comic sans text of "I'm gonna play Killmonger! I'm gonna do it!!!"

I also support this as next thread title

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