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I see a Ryzen 5600 is about $40 cheaper than a 12400f, which could be compelling if they're truly similar performance. It seems like the 12400f and 5600 X are both available currently for about $160, is the X not worth the price bump? I don't know much about the BIOS issue but every single b550 mobo I plugged into PCPP warned me about compatibility with those Ryzens. And for my own curiosity, what is it specifically that makes H610 boards undesirable? Scoss fucked around with this message at 01:00 on Nov 9, 2022 |
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The 5600 and 5600X perform within error of each other, if the difference is $40 then the non-X is the easy choice Most B550 boards should have compatible BIOSes at this point, so long as you're buying them new and manufactured within the past couple years - And the H610 boards are just very poor for performance all around - they've got anemic power delivery, only two memoy DIMMs, PCIe generational limitations, no XMP profiles for memory - they're really targeted more at office computers and other low-end applications like that DoombatINC fucked around with this message at 03:17 on Nov 9, 2022 |
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Scoss posted:It seems like the 12400f and 5600 X are both available currently for about $160, is the X not worth the price bump? No quote:I don't know much about the BIOS issue but every single b550 mobo I plugged into PCPP warned me about compatibility with those Ryzens. That's the standard warning that's been there ever since b550 boards came out before Zen 3 CPUs, meaning they'd need a BIOS update to work with the new processors. That was 2 years ago now so it's almost certain that any b550 board you'd buy would have a more recent BIOS update to make it compatible out of the box, however, in the tiny chance that it isn't, having a board with BIOS flashback would enable you to update it yourself with just a USB stick rather than needing an older Zen 2 CPU. quote:And for my own curiosity, what is it specifically that makes H610 boards undesirable? Because that's the bargain tier, most limited feature sets, poorest connectivity/VRM cooling motherboard chipset.
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H610 boards do not allow memory overclocking, which means you're stuck with slow JEDEC configurations. All of the memory speeds you see on kits of gamer-oriented memory are actually overclocked speeds, and you need overclocking support in order to get those speeds.
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Scruff McGruff posted:The FD Torrent is already on your list and is a fan favorite right now, but the new FD Pop Air might also be a good option and looks like it would fit with some space around it for air. Yeah, looking at my own post I've realised that the height it 45cm, not 55cm. Sorry! I could get another 10cm by hacking out the desk base and sitting the case on the floor but I'm disinclined to do so unless I have no other option. I'd looked at the GN video but they are really looking at larger cases than suit my space for the most part (they did not test the FD Torrent Nano for instance). I love the look of the FD Torrent but the compact is too large for the space (I'd need to take the desktop off every time I needed to clean the filters) and the Nano would require me to find an mini-ITX mobo with 10gbe built in. If you know of such a mobo then this is very much back on the table. The full-size ATX PSU and 335mm GPU support are a great help. The solid/glass sides make me worried about the thermals in my desk, otherwise this would be the front-runner The FD Pop Air is 473 tall so falls into the same category as the compact plus I prefer the look of the Torrent so I've not looked at the smaller versions. ughhhh posted:replace the fans in the desk with 120mm pmw fans both in a pull config and use cable extenders into your pc case so it can be controlled by your PC fan headers and chose any of the FD cases you like. Now you can technically say your desk is your PC since its all connected The FD Define 7 looks great but as you say, the depth doesn't work for me. The Nano version is 361x205x399 so would work and takes a 331mm GPU but I would worry about the thermals and it's mITX only. The mini is 406x205x399 with a 331mm GPU and takes a mATX or below so is about as large as I could go in the space but I'd still worry about the thermals with those glass sides in this desk. It's not like I will be looking at the sides... KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Something like the xtia xproto or xproto L could work well in there. Just have to rig up some supplemental airflow in to the cabinet. I like mine a lot although it lives outside. Current thoughts: The Lian Li Air Mini was a front runner as it takes an ATX mobo and PSU and fits the space (384x280x400) and it will take a 362mm GPU but this Gamers Nexus review suggests that the GPU thermals are a real issue and quality control wasn't great. If anyone has any direct experience please say so. The Cooler Master NR200 is a perfect size even if it is now an old design, has mesh sides, a 3-slot 330mm GPU clearance and very good thermals. Assuming air cooling for noise purposes on low demand use, a 158mm CPU cooler height means that Noctal NHD15, BeQuiet DarkRock4 aren't going to work but the Noctua NHu12a and Noctua NH-D12L will work. Part of me says that a mesh front would be of use (I often leave the desk door open). I am again stuck with mITX mobos. This is my current choice. The FD Torrent Nano is a great size and looks great but I'm concerned about the lack of side mesh/airflow in my case and it's mITX only. It looks great but I won't see it in my desk anyway.
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Bouchehog posted:Stupid question but I have a nighthawk R9000 which has a 10gb LAN SFP+ port. I'm looking to do a new build and I can see that a number of Z690 and Z790 boards come with on board RJ45 10gb ports (e.g.Gigabyte Z790 AORUS MASTER). Is there any reason why I shouldn't just grab one of those boards and use a SFP+ to RJ45 converter to get my 10GB speeds? I've got two Cat 6e cables in place. (In practice I'd be limited anyway as nothing else on my network can talk that fast at present but I will be sorting that out soon as well.) That should work, but make sure to choose a module that is compatible with your NETGEAR. Problem is the spec sheet for R9000 doesn't specify which SFP+ modules it supports. NETGEAR sells the AXM765v2 transceiver, also sold by the fs.com website, but they say it's compatible with "M4250, M4300, and M4500 Managed Switches", no mention of the R9000. Pilfered Pallbearers posted:What exactly is the point of the SFP+ module? I’m not super familiar but unsure. SFP+ is the preferred connector technology for 10gb over straight RJ45. My understanding is the significantly lower latency is the biggest reason. SFP also provides flexibility with the cabling. Get NICs and switches with SFP+ ports and then choose the cabling that suits your situation. Copper Direct Attach Cables for few meter long runs or within a rack. For longer runs you may choose SR-mode fiber optic modules, for even longer you use LR-mode modules.
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Butterfly Valley posted:That's the standard warning that's been there ever since b550 boards came out before Zen 3 CPUs, meaning they'd need a BIOS update to work with the new processors. That was 2 years ago now so it's almost certain that any b550 board you'd buy would have a more recent BIOS update to make it compatible out of the box, however, in the tiny chance that it isn't, having a board with BIOS flashback would enable you to update it yourself with just a USB stick rather than needing an older Zen 2 CPU. DoombatINC posted:Most B550 boards should have compatible BIOSes at this point, so long as you're buying them new and manufactured within the past couple years - there's also the newer B650 boards which should be priced pretty comparably to B550s at this point, I'd think B650 boards are for zen 4, not compatible with previous generation cpus like the 5600, and the pricing is way up from B550 boards, which is why zen 4 is pretty poor value right now. lih fucked around with this message at 02:07 on Nov 9, 2022 |
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lih posted:B650 boards are for zen 4, not compatible with previous generation cpus like the 5600, and the pricing is way up from B550 boards, which is why zen 4 is pretty poor value right now. Ooohhh sorry I forgot that B650 was the first generation of AM5 and not the last generation of AM4, my brain made up something called B750 for AM5 because the new Intel chipsets are 700-range and I'm very easily mixed up 
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What country are you in? USA Do you live near Microcenter? It's a drive, but I'm considering making the trip if it's worth it. What are you using the system for? Gaming - MSFS 2020 is probably the most demanding game I play. What's your budget? $1500-2000 If you're gaming, what is your monitor resolution / refresh rate? 1440p/165hz ultra, might go up to 4k in the future. I'm looking at building a new computer because my razer laptop battery started to swell and it's getting a bit long in the tooth (it's a 2070MQ model). I'm moving around a lot in the next year, so it'll be SFF-ish. Would the 13700K be worth it over the 13600k? I would consider AMD, but it seems like their ITX boards are super expensive and end up blowing the budget. CPU: Intel Core i5-13600K 3.5 GHz 14-Core Processor ($300.00 @ Amazon) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($99.95 @ Amazon) Motherboard: ASRock Z690M-ITX/ax Mini ITX LGA1700 Motherboard ($149.99 @ Newegg) Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-4000 CL18 Memory ($100.99 @ Newegg) Storage: Inland QN322 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($126.99 @ Amazon) Case: Fractal Design Torrent Nano Mini ITX Tower Case ($97.98 @ Newegg) Power Supply: Corsair RM850 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($114.99 @ Amazon) Total: $990.89 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-11-08 21:08 EST-0500 For the GPU, I'm looking at buying a used 3080, or maybe a 6900xt or 6950xt. I found a 3080ti FE locally listed at $600, so I might snatch that up. I would like to build this before Thanksgiving, so waiting for a 7950xtx probably isn't in the cards and that would stretch the budget. Thanks!
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Bouchehog posted:Yeah, looking at my own post I've realised that the height it 45cm, not 55cm. Sorry! I could get another 10cm by hacking out the desk base and sitting the case on the floor but I'm disinclined to do so unless I have no other option. I'd looked at the GN video but they are really looking at larger cases than suit my space for the most part (they did not test the FD Torrent Nano for instance). Why so set on mesh side panels? 99% of cases don’t have mesh side panels because they provide minimal benefit. In fact, in a lot of ways they can be detrimental because they’ll leak cool air pulled in from the front that could get all the way to the back of the case otherwise. For you, mesh panels are especially useless as they’ll be pressed against the sides of the desk cabinet, so there will be no room for them to pull in or exhaust out enough air to make them work it. The torrent is an absolutely excellent case. The Xproto recommended to you is exactly what I’d do though with your situation, but if that’s a little wacky for you the torrent would be my next bet.
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I have a question which I know will be dumb, but here goes. Bear with me. A family member is giving me back an FX-6300 box I loaned them so long ago I’d forgotten about it. It’s not horrid - EVGA 450W power supply I installed myself, 16GB RAM, 256GB SSD, and an Asus M5A97 motherboard with UEFI - aside from some old Terascale Radeon I threw in there for office work. Upgrading that would probably be insane, but if I were to explore new vistas in CPU-hobbled gaming, how dreadful a bottleneck would that be for an RX 6600 or RTX 3050?
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Does anyone know of a Micro-ATX or Mini-ITX boards which does 10gb ethernet without needing to rely upon usb-C or PCI-e? I know that some of the ATX boards do this but I can't find a case which would support an ATX mobo in a small form factor which can cope with poorish airflow from the space it's in. I have found a bunch of m-ATX and ITX mobos filtering for LG1700, m-ATX, m-ITX but I only get 2.5gbe models  The one saving grace might be the ASRock Z790 M Wifi which has both a 2.5gbe and a 1gbe port which I hope and assume I could use in aggregate with my router's aggregate port (i.e. I would have 2gbe speeds, my router not currently supporting 2.5gbe; if I can find a router which supports 2.5gbe then I could presumably get this up to 3.5gbe). The manual is no use in telling me how this would work in practice so I am assuming that it works this way and isn't limited to access to a LAN so that the computer acts a firewall for the network? The mobo only has one PCIe slot (5.0 x16 which can be split into two x8 lanes but that would be madness with a GPU!) so I will never get 10gbe this way. The other option would be to go for a mobo with more than one PCIe slot. The difficulty here as I understand it is that the PCIe x16 gen 5 slots into which you fit the GPU are usually at the top and so a three-slot GPU would prevent access to the lower PCIe slots unless I could use a riser and have a 10bge PCI card floating somewhere else in the case..... All guidance appreciated!
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Bouchehog posted:Does anyone know of a Micro-ATX or Mini-ITX boards which does 10gb ethernet without needing to rely upon usb-C or PCI-e? I know that some of the ATX boards do this but I can't find a case which would support an ATX mobo in a small form factor which can cope with poorish airflow from the space it's in. riser cable.
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My understanding is that 10gbe cards run on PCIe x8. I am not aware of any ITX mobos with a PCIe 5.0 x16 and another PCIe slot of at least x8. Some of the mATX boards would work as they have two PCIe x16 slots (one being 5.0, the other not but that shouldn't matter as I understand it). That would mean finding a case which would fit in the space and support mATX. At present the only case I have found which fits the bill is the Lian Li O11 Air Mini. [Edit] Although looking at the 011 Air Mini, it has 7 case slots for cards so the 10gbe card could float over to one of those slots. The manual also suggests that I can cram an ATX board in there, which does open up the prospect of getting an ATX board with 10gbe. The ASUS ProArt Z690-CREATOR WIFI and the Asus ROG MAXIMUS Z690 FORMULAdoes just that, although it's expensive and I don't know how well the mobo would pair with an effectively gaming build. Bouchehog fucked around with this message at 17:28 on Nov 9, 2022 |
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I think you could squeeze a three-slot card into mATX and leave the bottom PCIe slot open? It would need to be a board where the GPU slot is in the highest position like this though  and not like this  and the bottom slot would need to be wired for PCIe x4 to get full bandwidth out of a 10gbit card edit: but yeah if the O11 Air Mini fits the bill it would be simpler to just go full ATX with onboard 10gig or plenty of clearance for a 10gig card Bouchehog posted:My understanding is that 10gbe cards run on PCIe x8. Single 10gbit cards can run on x4 e.g. https://www.tp-link.com/uk/home-networking/adapter/tx401/ There's double ones that need x8 though repiv fucked around with this message at 17:26 on Nov 9, 2022 |
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Hasturtium posted:I have a question which I know will be dumb, but here goes. Bear with me. I was running a 1060 on a FX-6300 for a while and when I eventually upgraded to a 3600 it was like a whole new computer. I wouldn’t want to throw a current GPU into a box with one of those.
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Pilfered Pallbearers posted:Why so set on mesh side panels? Because of the space it's going into:  The airflow at present is limited to the two 120mm fans you can see in the picture, controlled by an AC Infinity unit. I may well add some additional fans to draw air in from the back of the volume. My gut (and it is only that so feel free to disabuse me!) is that I am better off with as much mesh as I can get, particularly on the two sides. The Xproto is now on my shortlist but:
I'm currently struggling to decide between the Lian Li O11 Air Mini, which would open up mATX and ATX mobos or the NR200 / Torrent Nano / Xproto for ITX builds. It saddens me greatly that the Torrent compact won't work in my space. The lack of 10gbe on ITX and the lack of any ITX boards which allow me to float a 10gbe card via a riser are all strongly pointing to something that supports mATX (for a spare PCIe x8 with a riser) or ATX (for native support or just a PCI card). Saukkis posted:That should work, but make sure to choose a module that is compatible with your NETGEAR. Problem is the spec sheet for R9000 doesn't specify which SFP+ modules it supports. NETGEAR sells the AXM765v2 transceiver, also sold by the fs.com website, but they say it's compatible with "M4250, M4300, and M4500 Managed Switches", no mention of the R9000. repiv posted:I think you could squeeze a three-slot card into mATX and leave the bottom PCIe slot open?
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Hasturtium posted:I have a question which I know will be dumb, but here goes. Bear with me. That motherboard only has PCIe 2.0 x16, limiting the GPU's bandwidth to 16 GBps. A RTX 3050 was intended to run on PCIe 3.0 x8 so it should be fine as I understand it. The CPU does seem very underpowered (to my inexpert eye) but whether it will noticeably hobble the game will depend on what you're playing. You could also look at upgrading the CPU to a second-hand AMD FX-8370 maybe? Someone more expert than me will no doubt chime in. Either way it would be a considerable upgrade.
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Bouchehog posted:That motherboard only has PCIe 2.0 x16, limiting the GPU's bandwidth to 16 GBps. A RTX 3050 was intended to run on PCIe 3.0 x8 so it should be fine as I understand it. The CPU does seem very underpowered (to my inexpert eye) but whether it will noticeably hobble the game will depend on what you're playing. You could also look at upgrading the CPU to a second-hand AMD FX-8370 maybe? Someone more expert than me will no doubt chime in. Either way it would be a considerable upgrade. With a little more digging it looks like the RTX 3050's a native PCIe 4.0 x8 card. Shunting it to 2.0 could knock 7-10% off of maximum numbers. However, with the CPU bottlenecking it, that might not matter materially. The per-thread wouldn't get a big jump moving to an 8000 series chip - Piledriver is what it is - but a linear multithreading speed bump of a third wouldn't be something to sneeze at, and an FX-8320e would probably set me back $30 on the secondhand market. I'd prefer not to jump to a beefy boy 125W part, and don't recall if the OEM variant of the Asus motherboard in the machine would let me get in and fiddle with undervolting to compensate for the default "slam it with voltage" AMD yield maximization philosophy of the time. Thanks for the input. I'd be happy for more thoughts.
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The xprotos are perfectly happy on their side if it fits that way. You don’t have to have the long dimension be vertical. This could also position your ports more conveniently at the back of the box. You should buy custom PSU cables if you go with an xproto. The only limitation to my knowledge is GPU length not width. You could put a ten slot wide GPU in there - it just would protrude beyond the boundaries of the frame. If you’re worried about things spilling you could always put a little roof over it using plexiglass or something similar at the top of the space. It does get a little dusty, but I don’t think it’s much worse than a closed case in my environment. I use a little air blower on it maybe once every month or two. Takes 30 seconds. Might take you longer since it’s in a cave. Don’t know what to do about kids. Latch the cupboard maybe? They can’t really do much to the components in an open case but it is certainly more enticing than a black cube.
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Bouchehog posted:That motherboard only has PCIe 2.0 x16, limiting the GPU's bandwidth to 16 GBps. A RTX 3050 was intended to run on PCIe 3.0 x8 so it should be fine as I understand it. The CPU does seem very underpowered (to my inexpert eye) but whether it will noticeably hobble the game will depend on what you're playing. You could also look at upgrading the CPU to a second-hand AMD FX-8370 maybe? Someone more expert than me will no doubt chime in. Either way it would be a considerable upgrade. So no go on the milk crate idea? ughhhh posted:Even better would be just a milk crate
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Bouchehog posted:all strongly pointing to something that supports mATX (for a spare PCIe x8 with a riser) or ATX (for native support or just a PCI card). Anther thing to keep in mind is that using a PCI card gives you the option of using SFP+ on the PC side too, which is potentially cheaper than 10gig-over-RJ45
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What country are you in? US Do you live near Microcenter? No  What are you using the system for? Web and Office? Gaming? Video or photo editing? Professional creative or scientific computing? Shitposting? General web and office use. The system will be used primarily for Plex, and I would like to be able to begin serving 2-3 remote users concurrently, comfortably. Storage is important, upwards of 10TB would be nice. Some light gaming What's your budget? We usually specify for just the computer itself (plus Windows), but if you also need monitor/mouse/whatever, just say so. I'd like to stay around $1,200 with $1,500 at the very high range. If you're gaming, what is your monitor resolution / refresh rate? How fancy do you want your graphics, from “it runs” to “Ultra preset as fast as possible”? Seriously answer this. It drastically changes the recommendations you will get. Some light gaming: Id like to be able to run current gen stuff like Cyberpunk 2077 but doesn't need to be anywhere near high spec. vid If you’re doing professional work, what software do you need to use? What’s your typical project size and complexity? If you use multiple pieces of software, what’s your workflow? No professional work. Very basic office suite work and some modelling software for the occasional 3d print hobby. This is what I'm currently working with: Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-6500 CPU @ 3.20GHz (4 CPUs), ~3.2GHz Memory: 16384MB RAM Card name: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti I'd love to take advantage of any Black Friday sales, so maybe some builds or ideas to watch for.
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ughhhh posted:So no go on the milk crate idea? repiv posted:Anther thing to keep in mind is that using a PCI card gives you the option of using SFP+ on the PC side too, which is potentially cheaper than 10gig-over-RJ45 KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:The xprotos are perfectly happy on their side if it fits that way. You don’t have to have the long dimension be vertical. This could also position your ports more conveniently at the back of the box. You should buy custom PSU cables if you go with an xproto.
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Quick question: I've just upgraded to a 3090 Ti (ASUS ROG Strix LC NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti OC Edition) and right after installing it, I noticed a very worrying buzzing, almost grinding sound coming from the card whenever I start a game. Something that I find odd is that it doesn't happen when running stress tests (Aida64 with GPU or Furmark) but it happens in every game I've tried. I can 100% confirm that it's not anything stuck in a fan; it really sounds like it's coming from inside the card. Maybe the pump? It's not super obvious but I made a video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkr1xNrSBc0 I'm 99% sure I'll have to exchange it but if anyone has any idea I'm all ears!
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CordlessPen posted:Quick question: I've just upgraded to a 3090 Ti (ASUS ROG Strix LC NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti OC Edition) and right after installing it, I noticed a very worrying buzzing, almost grinding sound coming from the card whenever I start a game. Coil whine. Look it up for mitigating strategies. It isn't a defect.
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Holy poo poo, really? I knew the term but I've never had it be such a problem before so I never really looked into it. Is it so much louder because of the power draw? Googling a bit it seems that cards can be "broken in" after a while, I might try that because as it is it's annoyingly loud.
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Bouchehog posted:Because of the space it's going into: Are both of those fans intake? If you put the components in you plan to into a traditional case, they are going to absolutely cook with that air pattern. Cooling a PC is an exercise in moving heated air out of a space and replacing it with cooler air along a preset path. You have plans for extremely spicy components. And in order to cool them, you need to very quickly replace the hot air they generate with fresh cool air. What this will look like, assuming you when with the Lian Li is… - CPU/GPU generate hot air, which is dumped into the enclosed cabinet via the case exhaust. - ambient temp in cabinet will raise, as there is no path to remove the hot air. While the hot air will slowly leak out the gaping hole in the back, so will some of the cool air you’re taking in via the fans on the sides of the cabinet. Even with mesh side panels, you would need those mesh panels on both sides of the case to be physically touching the fans that are mounted onto the cabinet. - because the ambient temp in the cabinet is rising, the air pulled into the case (and over the components) will be significantly warmer as the ambient of the cabinet is warmer. The case can only pull in warm cabinet air because the fans in the case can only pull the air directly in front of it. This is why case fans need to sit as close to the walls of the case as possible. The deeper in the case they sit, the less effective they are as they can’t access the cool air outside the case. - This will compound until you hit a throttle point. This may not be a current issue with your current build, but your planned components have significantly more heat load. Realistically, now that I’ve seen an image and have a better understanding, the only way you’re not gonna have a bad time here is if you use something like the xproto, seal off the back of the cabinet, add one new fan on each side of the cabinet, and run them intake on one side, exhaust on the other. If you wanna be really crazy you could custom loop and run the radiators outside of the cabinet, but that’s way more complicated.
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I bought a great 4K 120Hz monitor that has me chomping for an upgrade to a 4-series GPU from my current 3070. Trying to figure out if I want to also upgrade CPU. I'm still on a 2018-era i5-9600K. How big of an upgrade would it be to go to something like a 13600K?
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I thought about suggesting an xproto with custom loop out to some back side radiators but dismissed it as being a bit much. You could totally do it and I think you should. The 120s will be fine to cool the mobo and ancillaries, and you can dump a bunch of heat out the back on a big radiator or set of radiators. You might even be able to get away with two AIOs if you don't want to go full boat on custom loop.
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I finally decided it's time to move on from my trusty Kaby Lake/1070 combo that has served me well for years. What country are you in? USA Do you live near Microcenter? Yes What are you using the system for? Web and Office? Gaming? Video or photo editing? Professional creative or scientific computing? Shitposting? Games - DCS/MSFS being the most demanding. What's your budget? We usually specify for just the computer itself (plus Windows), but if you also need monitor/mouse/whatever, just say so. ~2000 If you're gaming, what is your monitor resolution / refresh rate? How fancy do you want your graphics, from “it runs” to “Ultra preset as fast as possible”? Seriously answer this. It drastically changes the recommendations you will get. Currently on 1440/60 but will be picking up a 4k/144 in the near future and would like to be pretty close to ultra even then. If you’re doing professional work, what software do you need to use? What’s your typical project size and complexity? If you use multiple pieces of software, what’s your workflow? N/A Notes: - Going to wait till the new AMDs are out/reviewed/benchmarked to make a final call on the GPU, but will likely go with the 7900XTX. - No intention of overclocking, is just looks that z790 option could be best value option? - I know the Louqe has it's shortcomings, but I really liked its look and coming from a Node 202 I really wanted to keep the case small and vertical. From what I've read the thermal issues are managable and the price was right with the recent sale. - I know the WD SN750 is well liked, but I'm seeing the Black and 980 going for the same price when it comes to PCIe 4? PCPartPicker Part List CPU: Intel Core i5-13600K 3.5 GHz 14-Core Processor ($300.00 @ Amazon) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-L12 Ghost S1 37.8 CFM CPU Cooler ($54.93 @ Amazon) Motherboard: ASRock Z790M-ITX WIFI Mini ITX LGA1700 Motherboard ($219.99 @ Newegg) Memory: Corsair Vengeance 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-5600 CL36 Memory ($162.99 @ Newegg) Storage: Samsung 980 Pro 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($219.00 @ Amazon) Power Supply: Corsair SF750 750 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular SFX Power Supply ($159.99 @ Amazon) Operating System: Microsoft Windows 11 Pro Retail - Download 64-bit (Purchased For $20.00) Case Fan: Noctua Ax25 chromax 60.09 CFM 120 mm Fan ($32.90 @ Amazon) Custom: LOUQE RAW S1 (Purchased For $159.00) Total: $1328.80
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Nov 9, 2022 21:46
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I’d spend the extra $55 on a 13700k personally.
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Nov 9, 2022 21:56
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I've been sitting on earlier recommendations, since I don't have a strict time frame to buy. Curious to see how the new AMD GPU's get reviewed before making any decisions. Also have been considering waiting until CES to see the new AMD 3D CPUs, since the main purpose of the machine would be gaming and light productivity. That said, I want to ask about AIOs vs air cooling. Earlier I was looking at builds that would use, say, a Liquid Freezer 420 in the top spot of a Meshify case. But would a Fractal Torrent case with a cooler like the Noctura DH-15 (I read they are supposed to be releasing a new version early next year?) or a be quiet Dark Pro 4 be able to keep up with a 13700k and a modern GPU? The price difference isn't that much, but air cooling seems to be a bit simpler (and no risk of leaks inside the case, maybe this is a misplaced concern?) and I sort of like the look of the Torrent case better (plus, it gets great reviews).
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CordlessPen posted:Holy poo poo, really? I knew the term but I've never had it be such a problem before so I never really looked into it. Is it so much louder because of the power draw? It happens most often under specific load patterns, like game menus and splash screens that display at hundreds of frames per second. My 4090 was doing it for a while but it's a lot less noticeable now. Also, no offense, but I really hope you didn't pay the price you linked for that GPU, considering you can get a 4090 that's ~65% faster for the same price...
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MarcusSA posted:I’d spend the extra $55 on a 13700k personally. Yeah especially for flight sims which require quite a bit of CPU power.
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