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big black turnout posted:Hello NHL thread I moved last year to a city with a hockey team, went to a game, and fell in love with watching sports for the first time in my life. Unfortunately for me that team was the San Jose Sharks If your name is Sam, DM me.
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Nov 10, 2022 02:08
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See canucks are being smart, can't lose the lead if you never had it
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Nov 10, 2022 03:45
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nucks baby
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Nov 10, 2022 04:40
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heehee posted:nucks baby All I ask is for the team to get few standings points and for players I like on the team to get many individual points. They are doing well at that so far.
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Nov 10, 2022 04:55
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100 points for ep, 60 goals for horvat, 10 wins on the season. let's goooooo
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Nov 10, 2022 04:58
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the Canadiens now stand at 7-6-1. It took until game 31 last year to get their 7th win. They were, at one point, 7-25-5. That means the Canadiens could lose their next 23 games, and still have the same amount of wins after 37 games. They were apparently 8-33-7 at some point.
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Nov 10, 2022 05:35
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https://twitter.com/anaheimducks/status/1590559926698795009?s=46&t=JpR3L4fdKr2Z1MGC63FbOA Potential goal of the year got called back due to an offside review lmao What a league
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Nov 10, 2022 05:43
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MononcQc posted:the Canadiens now stand at 7-6-1. It took until game 31 last year to get their 7th win. They were, at one point, 7-25-5. That means the Canadiens could lose their next 23 games, and still have the same amount of wins after 37 games. They were apparently 8-33-7 at some point. Playing their way out of the Bedard lottery but I don’t mind it too much.
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Nov 10, 2022 12:20
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Playing their way out of the Bedard lottery but I don’t mind it too much. This team is the most fun it's been in forever. Seeing the Caufield-Suzuki-Dach line reminds of the 07-08 Kostitsyn-Plekanec-Kovalev line in how it feels they can get one in at any moment. There's still a big Carey-shaped hole in my heart, though. 
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Nov 10, 2022 14:02
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Caps-Pens was a pale facsimile of its former glory, though it did get nasty in a way that was on-brand I guess. The Caps were injuring Pens quickly enough to get them down to 3 D at one point and still couldn't score. And Kuemper finally had a stinker of a game. It's not easy to get hyped for a team with $40M on the IR and running out Sonny Milano and Nicolas Aube-Kubel on the regs. (And no McMichael!)
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Nov 10, 2022 14:51
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The Dirty Burger posted:https://twitter.com/anaheimducks/status/1590559926698795009?s=46&t=JpR3L4fdKr2Z1MGC63FbOA Torts, scowling: Good!
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Nov 10, 2022 15:08
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The Dirty Burger posted:https://twitter.com/anaheimducks/status/1590559926698795009?s=46&t=JpR3L4fdKr2Z1MGC63FbOA Yea that sucked. The rules are the rules but that offsides call was one of those where the player who was offside had no effect on the play and was offside by like the smallest of technicalities, and them being offside didn't have anything to do with the goal that was scored. I've always thought they should tweak the rule so that someone being a millisecond ahead of the play (which is what happened here) while technically offsides, wouldn't get called. Obviously we don't want players cherry picking, but does Player A being across the line .004 seconds before the puck crosses actually impact the game? I don't think it does.
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Nov 10, 2022 15:36
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Technically correct is the worst kind of correct when you're stopping a game after one of the coolest moments in recent memory. Abolish offside reviews.
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Nov 10, 2022 15:39
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https://twitter.com/PKSubban1/status/1590711232386170881
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Nov 10, 2022 15:44
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Pens win hooray. Still giant problems with the defense and 4th line. Part of it is usage part of it is personnel. It seems after the big reshuffle this off-season it's more deck chairs on the Titanic than improvement. Thankfully DeSmith had a strong game and Darcy did not.
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Nov 10, 2022 15:48
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Zodijackylite posted:Technically correct is the worst kind of correct when you're stopping a game after one of the coolest moments in recent memory. I said it in the GDT and I’ll say it again. Offside is offside. You don’t change how it’s called because it was a pretty goal. That’s an unequal application of a very clear rule that they just changed so players aren’t having to drag their feet on the line. Which is cool and good because they’re not in the zone ahead of the puck. But there’s a very literal line for it here and as soon as it starts being subjective instead of objective you’re opening it up for interpretation and the Tim Peels of the world to mess with outcomes. Is it a bummer that the highlight reel goal was called back because they were in early? Sure, but it’s the same as the puck clearly over the goal line the other night in the NYR v NYI game. If it had been conclusively over the line it’s a goal; if it’s not, it’s not a goal. Subjective refereeing would make this much worse.
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Nov 10, 2022 16:00
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If you can't tell the difference between a puck not going over the goal line and a goal called off because it was scored like 30 seconds after a barely offsides play or called off because a guy being offside who had nothing to do with the play then lol Also we're talking about ice hockey, one of the most inconsistently refereed sports in the world. The standard of interference/hooking/holding that is allowed from game to game is insanely volatile and effects the game (and more importantly the quality of the game) to a much greater degree. At most offsides should only be reviewable within 10 seconds of the offsides and only if the offsides player is directly involved in the scoring play. That or abolish it. There's nothing subjective about either of those solutions. Everyone will get hosed equally and we'll get rid of the tediousness of every piece of poo poo coach looking at his ipad after every cool goal.
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Nov 10, 2022 16:22
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lol everything else in refereeing is subjective, if I wanted to sit around and watch rules wrangling instead of sport I’d watch the NFL.
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Nov 10, 2022 16:24
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The Devils scored a lovely grindy goal that was called off 29 seconds after an offsides against Calgary. It's such an awful rule
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Nov 10, 2022 16:28
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T-Bone posted:The Devils scored a lovely grindy goal that was called off 29 seconds after an offsides against Calgary. It's such an awful rule nah it's good
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Nov 10, 2022 16:36
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mennoknight posted:nah it's good example of a good review: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upDmq_Yc6s0
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Nov 10, 2022 16:41
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I've said it before, but "it didn't even affect the play!" is an indictment of the player going offside, not the rule. The blueline has been there for these players' entire lives, the rule is very simple and straightforward, the NHL even made reviews more lenient this year by switching to the plane instead of skate on the ice. There's no reason for a player to jump the play, it's as undisciplined as a puck over the glass or an unintentional icing, and we should look at it that way.
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Nov 10, 2022 16:42
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T-Bone posted:example of a good review: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upDmq_Yc6s0 I'm not opening this and assuming it's got something to do with Blake Coleman
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Nov 10, 2022 16:43
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https://twitter.com/arhockeystats/status/1590720950219247616?s=46&t=KBrXxIVmPHu5k_jhNhE7Nw Kid played out of his mind last night, was worth braving a hurricane for!
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Koopa Kid posted:I've said it before, but "it didn't even affect the play!" is an indictment of the player going offside, not the rule. The blueline has been there for these players' entire lives, the rule is very simple and straightforward, the NHL even made reviews more lenient this year by switching to the plane instead of skate on the ice. There's no reason for a player to jump the play, it's as undisciplined as a puck over the glass or an unintentional icing, and we should look at it that way. Yea but being milliseconds ahead of the play, especially when the puck is in motion, is not an indication of being undisciplined. If it's blatantly offside, the player has been standing flat footed in the zone well before the puck crossed, or obviously crossed seconds before the puck did, then obviously it shouldn't count even if the player had no effect on the scoring play. But in a case like this where there's like a centimeter of space between the player's skate and the blue line before the puck crosses, I think thats nitpicky. So much of NHL refereeing is subjective. I am all for keeping offsides, I think the spirit of the rule is to discourage cherrypicking and stuff like that, which is good. I don't think scrutinizing whether there's a small bit of ice between a player's skate and the blue line is a good use of time and the reason why offsides need to be enforced. Jamwad Hilder fucked around with this message at 16:50 on Nov 10, 2022 |
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mennoknight posted:I'm not opening this and assuming it's got something to do with Blake Coleman For the like the past 15 years, every time I've turned on NHL network during the day they've been replaying the 1994 ECF.
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Ive never complained about reffing in my life except for once when Martin Gelinas got crosschecked in the face, while on his knees, in the playoffs between the Oilers and the North Stars in 1991 and they didn't call it and my dad and I realized the whole thing was fixed, to end the glorious Oilers dynasty and try and help the North Stars stay in Minnesota, and I asked him if I was allowed to huck a full rear end cup of pop onto the ice at the ref and he said sure. This is the second time I'm going to complain: the officiating in general seems to be getting kind of bad and way more game managementy than it ever was before - and brother let me tell you it was pretty that way before
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EL BROMANCE posted:https://twitter.com/arhockeystats/status/1590720950219247616?s=46&t=KBrXxIVmPHu5k_jhNhE7Nw imagine the depth the Panthers could have if they didn't give Bob that insane contract. They're paying almost 15m for goaltending the next three years 
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Jamwad Hilder posted:Yea but being milliseconds ahead of the play, especially when the puck is in motion, is not an indication of being undisciplined. If it's blatantly offside, the player has been standing flat footed in the zone well before the puck crossed, or obviously crossed seconds before the puck did, then obviously it shouldn't count even if the player had no effect on the scoring play. But in a case like this where there's like a centimeter of space between the player's skate and the blue line before the puck crosses, I think thats nitpicky. I think this is why humans calling offsides in real time is the way to go. It will catch the blatant bullshit and the rules lawyer crap that needs high resolution slow mo cameras to determine can gently caress off forever. The game is wayyyy more fun when there's human error in the officiating.
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Koopa Kid posted:I've said it before, but "it didn't even affect the play!" is an indictment of the player going offside, not the rule. The blueline has been there for these players' entire lives, the rule is very simple and straightforward, the NHL even made reviews more lenient this year by switching to the plane instead of skate on the ice. There's no reason for a player to jump the play, it's as undisciplined as a puck over the glass or an unintentional icing, and we should look at it that way. Yeah, you don't want a goal overturned? Don't go offside. It's entirely in the player's control and "I just cheated a little" isn't an excuse. These aren't 5-year olds flying ovet the line because they literally don't know how to stop. That said, I think the review standards should be changed/enforced so that it's just clear and obvious mistakes that get overturned. Like just 1 live speed look each from ice level and the overhead (maybe reverse angle of the on-ice if available). If it's not obvious from that, call on ice stands. Gets rid of blatant errors and doesn't gently caress up game flow that much. If it takes piecing together 4 different shots going frame by frame to see, it's not a fuckup on the ice.
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In the past couple games I've noticed some pretty crazy non-calls - some fuckin Flame catching the puck in the d zone out of the air and straight up Tom Bradying it down the ice or the funny one the other day after Foegele blasted some bitch in the numbers and the other lightning dude got mad and confused and dropped the gloves and started wailing on Kailer Yamamoto who had gently caress all to do with it with no call. Anyway if youre gonna no call that poo poo (fine, whatever, I'd wail the gently caress out of Yamamoto too that would be fun as poo poo) then having this whole weird rear end other mechanism to call goals and poo poo back via time travel and toe position that seems not great
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The Golden Man posted:I'd wail the gently caress out of Yamamoto too that would be fun as poo poo mods new thread title please
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The Golden Man posted:Ive never complained about reffing in my life except for once when Martin Gelinas got crosschecked in the face, while on his knees, in the playoffs between the Oilers and the North Stars in 1991 and they didn't call it and my dad and I realized the whole thing was fixed, to end the glorious Oilers dynasty and try and help the North Stars stay in Minnesota, and I asked him if I was allowed to huck a full rear end cup of pop onto the ice at the ref and he said sure. NHL refs just have no balls to actually call games. It all has to be game managed so that no team gets an unfair amount of powerplays. God forbid we let like Connor McDavid get a bunch of powerplays that wouldn't be fair. Koopa Kid posted:I've said it before, but "it didn't even affect the play!" is an indictment of the player going offside, not the rule. The blueline has been there for these players' entire lives, the rule is very simple and straightforward, the NHL even made reviews more lenient this year by switching to the plane instead of skate on the ice. There's no reason for a player to jump the play, it's as undisciplined as a puck over the glass or an unintentional icing, and we should look at it that way. I just really don't like the offsides calls where it happened like 45 seconds ago and it stops a cool goal from being scored. And I absolutely despise how every goal is scored there's a coach just hunched over the bench looking at a replay to see if they can challenge. It takes all the air out of goals being scored because you're always sitting there half wondering if someone was offsides by a millimeter a minute and a half ago. It's also an indictment of NHL linesmen how often goals get overturned because they're unable to properly call offsides in real time.
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These stupid challenges are also taking all the fun out of people spending an entire off season whining about how the refs hosed them. Leafs fans are still upset about the Gretzky non call and that rules
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I could sit here and pull up a bunch of examples of missed offside calls changing the game negatively, including ones that previously couldn't have been reviewed. But I'll just drop the one for the FAS. https://thehockeynews.com/news/a-coachs-challenge-might-have-changed-history-for-flyers-and-pat-quinn Offside is offside. No one cares about the fractions when it doesn't impact the game with a goal. It's only checked when it's changed the game by the puck going in the net illegally. When one player on your team is in early, the whole team is put offside, that's how it works and applying the rules correctly is something we should hope the officials do. The whole reason it's there is so that some teams don't get an advantage that other teams did not. Penalties I'm 100% in agreement that they're incredibly subjective most of the time. It's not good enough. But we don't need to insert that subjectivity into something that has a line painted on the ice. Offside is offside, and the whole of the puck must cross the whole of the line. If the Ducks had scored a normal looking goal no one would really be caring that much about this.
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you don't have to pretend to be in favor of offsides just because Zegras scored a sick as hell goal on the team you're a fan of
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I don't watch hockey to watch rule enforcement. For me, hockey is an entertainment product, and it's far more entertaining watching teams play hockey rather than watching them spend five minutes sitting on the bench while Toronto looks at replays. Challenges completely kill the fun of the sport and destroy the pace of the game which is usually breakneck fast. I would be perfectly fine going back to the pre-challenge days and letting the Matt Duchene vs. the Predators goal happen every 1,000 games rather than having teams taking 1-2 goals a game off the board for extremely nebulous rule-breaking.
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Jamwad Hilder posted:you don't have to pretend to be in favor of offsides just because Zegras scored a sick as hell goal on the team you're a fan of I am always a fan of offsides being called clearly and correctly. It's the least ambiguous part of the game along with seeing if the puck crossed the goal line. I can dig up as many more as you'd like. Here's one you might remember where the review worked in favor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePov14LxKVY
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If the league gave a poo poo they could have spent $10M+ on an automatic instant offside video review system instead of the garbage rear end virtual board ads.
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